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Digital Foundry - PlayStation 5 - When can Sony truly deliver a generational leap in power?

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9 minutes ago, lynux3 said:

It's obvious we've all given up on you to the point where a real response is not worth it anymore. It's actually common practice for most people here to outright dismiss all the bullshit you spew because you think you know everything. The reality is you know very little or nothing at all about the design process for any of these systems and just outright reiterate all the  marketing bullet points because you think it sounds good. Whilst doing that you read a few technical articles and sprinkle some of that garbage in there and call it a day. It's difficult to argue with incompetent users on this board such as yourself.

 

^worthless irrelevance

 

The truth about all of the systems, including the One X, is that they're all straight up shit with old ass chips. Xbox One started off with a Jaguar and Polaris based architecture and that has carried over to Xbox One X. :tom: The same thing for PlayStation 4 to PlayStation 4 Pro. The only real differences is that the One X has a higher clock and a few more CUs. There's absolutely NOTHING substantially different between all 5 systems.

For the function and capabilities as consoles they're not all straight up shit. There's different levels of competency in design which bode avoidable and unavoidable bottlenecks.

 

The original Xbox One could have avoided its bottleneck by implementing a better GPU coupled with a better memory interface (GDDR5), that was avoidable thus it was incompetently designed. The PlayStation 4 Pro could have avoided its bottleneck by implementing faster memory instead they chose to overclock the existing PlayStation 4 GDDR5 which results in the GPU being artificially bottlenecked when it comes to resolution increases; thus it was incompetently designed. This is why on average the Xbox One X is returning resolution results 80% higher with a GPU that's only 43% more powerful.

 

Nothing about the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One X are incompetent from a design standpoint, nothing can be done about the CPU's, it's all that was available so they had to be used and they made the best use of them they possibly could per each system at the time. They both leveraged the right RAM, the proper amount of RAM, the proper bandwidth for their GPU's, there's no limiting factor in their design that results in a bottleneck which could be avoided. They're the only consoles out of the four which were thought out logically and designed with care to make the best use of what is available without artificially limiting it. 

 

As I said you're in over your head.

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22 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said:

For the function and capabilities as consoles they're not all straight up shit. There's different levels of competency in design which bode avoidable and unavoidable bottlenecks.

 

The original Xbox One could have avoided its bottleneck by implementing a better GPU coupled with a better memory interface (GDDR5), that was avoidable thus it was incompetently designed. The PlayStation 4 Pro could have avoided its bottleneck by implementing faster memory instead they chose to overclock the existing PlayStation 4 GDDR5 which results in the GPU being artificially bottlenecked when it comes to resolution increases; thus it was incompetently designed. This is why on average the Xbox One X is returning resolution results 80% higher with a GPU that's only 43% more powerful.

 

Nothing about the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One X are incompetent from a design standpoint, nothing can be done about the CPU's, it's all that was available so they had to be used and they made the best use of them they possibly could per each system at the time. They both leveraged the right RAM, the proper amount of RAM, the proper bandwidth for their GPU's, there's no limiting factor in their design that results in a bottleneck which could be avoided. They're the only consoles out of the four which were thought out logically and designed with care to make the best use of what is available without artificially limiting it. 

 

As I said you're in over your head.

For closed box systems they're great. They're inexpensive for the masses (except Xbox One X), the games look good enough and they last a whole lot longer than your typical PC enthusiast gamer. That's about it, otherwise, the CPU is a joke and the GPUs are good enough.

 

Even if Xbox One had GDDR5 it still would have had an inferior GPU. The Xbox One is underpowered garbage, nothing else needs to be said. Microsoft fucked up. :mj:

Everything else you said is just fluff. You're a dipshit, straight up.

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1 minute ago, lynux3 said:

For closed box systems they're great. They're inexpensive for the masses (except Xbox One X), the games look good enough and they last a whole lot longer than your typical PC enthusiast gamer. That's about it, otherwise, the CPU is a joke and the GPUs are good enough.

 

Even if Xbox One had GDDR5 it still would have had an inferior GPU. The Xbox One is underpowered garbage, nothing else needs to be said. Microsoft fucked up. :mj:

Everything else you said is just fluff. You're a dipshit, straight up.

I love how you don't acknowledge the failing in the Pro's design, pathetic.

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6 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said:

I love how you don't acknowledge the failing in the Pro's design, pathetic.

There's nothing failed about it. If you think that you think the same about One X just as much a failure. It's basically the same shit with a higher clocked CPU, modified caching and more GCUs. If you can't gather that much, you're just a straight up dumbass. :D It's not like Sony had to go in and redo the memory controller because they already had GDDR5 in the base PS4. Microsoft just basically brought over what PS4 already had and said it's a "customized Jaguar". Somehow you think that this is some Microsoft breakthrough. :mj:

 

This just reminds me of how you were saying that Microsoft invented dynamic or variable frequencies with the One X's APU to save power or someshit. I can't remember exactly what you said because it was so goddamn retarded. :roff:

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Just now, lynux3 said:

There's nothing failed about it. If you think that you think the same about One X just as much a failure. It's a PS4 with a higher clocked CPU, modified caching and more GCUs. If you can't gather that much, you're just a straight up dumbass. :D It's not like Sony had to go in and redo the memory controller because they already had GDDR5 in the base PS4. Microsoft just basically brought over what PS4 already had and said it's a "customized Jaguar". Somehow you think that this is some Microsoft breakthrough. :mj:

 

This just reminds me of how you were saying that Microsoft invented dynamic or variable frequencies with the One X's APU to save power or someshit. I can't remember exactly what you said because it was goddamn retarded. :roff:

43% GPU disparity, 80% resolution disparity.

 

Explain to me how that's not the result of incompetent design? All they had to do was keep the existing controller intact and put in faster GDDR5, instead they increased the GPU compute by 128% and only overclocked the existing GDDR5 by 24% which results in a major GPU bottleneck.

 

That's incompetence in design, objectively inarguable.

 

In terms of the Hovus Method, it's a brilliant power saving and thermal mechanism. Each system independently adjusts its voltage requirements to that specific APU so it doesn't consume power it doesn't need and limits the thermal output so it runs cool and quiet. Yet another reason the X is able to be not only be smaller than the Pro, but also run quieter and produce less heat.

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29 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said:

43% GPU disparity, 80% resolution disparity.

 

Explain to me how that's not the result of incompetent design? All they had to do was keep the existing controller intact and put in faster GDDR5, instead they increased the GPU compute by 128% and only overclocked the existing GDDR5 by 24% which results in a major GPU bottleneck.

 

That's incompetence in design, objectively inarguable.

 

In terms of the Hovus Method, it's a brilliant power saving and thermal mechanism. Each system independently adjusts its voltage requirements to that specific APU so it doesn't consume power it doesn't need and limits the thermal output so it runs cool and quiet. Yet another reason the X is able to be not only be smaller than the Pro, but also run quieter and produce less heat.

Those are results. Who cares. The hardware is still the same which you think is something amazing and completely different than the Pro. :mj:

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I like how you throw around percentages too like it means anything. The percentage going from Xbox One to Xbox One X is going to be significantly different than going from PS4 to PS4 Pro because the base PS4 wasn't a pile of shit like Xbox One is.

 

dey incweased gpu compoot 13882% :diplo:

 

Oh, you mean they added more GCUs? Quit trying to make this sound like some amazing accomplishment. :tom:

 

The fact that you didn't realize modern CPUs have variable voltage to meet their base clocks or up it to reach boost clocks just goes to show your ignorance. You actually thought that this was some Microsoft invented breakthrough? :rofl:

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Hilarious, but not surprising, that Lynux3 can't tell the difference between a poorly designed system and a well designed system.

 

"Bu but it's not poorly designed... it's better.  The hardware is similar, there's just more of it.  How can one be good and not the other?" :lemming:

 

:tom: 

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15 minutes ago, lynux3 said:

Typical Lemij_ response. Nothing of value and not even relevant.

 

Scrub. :tom:

Typical one where I embarrass you... yep 

 

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Sony tried selling it's 4k TV's with the failed promise of Pro being a 4k machine 

 

It's a 1440p box with no UHD Blu-ray 

 

And it's quite possibly the loudest , ugly box ever made 

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Cows should honestly just stop talking about console power. Xbox's been stronger since its first console and every single gen since then. 

Microsoft makes better and stronger hardware, and without a whole bunch of nerds backing up some slob working on the hardware like Mark Cerny like  :reg:

 

The next Xbox will be better than PS5 and there's nothing you can do about it cows :king:

 

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18 minutes ago, bhytre said:

Cows should honestly just stop talking about console power. Xbox's been stronger since its first console and every single gen since then. 

Microsoft makes better and stronger hardware, and without a whole bunch of nerds backing up some slob working on the hardware like Mark Cerny like  :reg:

 

The next Xbox will be better than PS5 and there's nothing you can do about it cows :king:

 

Look at this delusional ex-sheep. :tom: Just like this generation right? Microsoft got desperate and shit out a $500 console so people would actually start talking about Xbox again... that didn't last long. :roff:

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PS4 did a revision too so they're on equal grounds :reg:

In the end Xbox has for the third gen in the row the most powerful console Lynutz and that's that :facep:

 

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1 hour ago, bhytre said:

PS4 did a revision too so they're on equal grounds :reg:

In the end Xbox has for the third gen in the row the most powerful console Lynutz and that's that :facep:

 

You don't even have an Xbox One X. :tom:

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