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Quote from: Playstation Tablet on February 12, 2024, 09:21:22 PMMS is going multiplat because gamepass is garbage that can't sustain their new added studios. It's objectively a failure.
Even if that was true...it's not. Gamepass owns


Let's be honest.  Not having great games outside of a few for multiple years has been the reason why they're doing what they're doing.

If they had been releasing bangers consistently, this wouldn't be happening.

We know their management of studios is all fucked up and only hiring contractors isn't going to give them $200M+ Sony single player exclusive quality games.

Before all of this they've got to fix the bad decisions they are making further up the chain.  Releasing bad games on more platforms isn't going to solve their issues either.. so they should start with that.


Quote from: Playstation Tablet on February 12, 2024, 09:53:56 PMNintendo and Sony copying any day now.
Nintendo and Sony could make an absolute KILLING with a GamePass model.  MS' problem is not the model, it's the lack of games to keep people subscribed.

They'll get there eventually.  That's not changing.  Sony's running into a real issue with how to monetize their $300M+ AAA games.. if you haven't noticed.  Putting them on PC...  What do you think comes next to reduce risk for Sony?

Quote from: Playstation Tablet on February 12, 2024, 09:53:56 PMNintendo and Sony copying any day now.

Just wait...any day now in the next century..you'll see

Quote from: Remij on February 12, 2024, 09:57:40 PMNintendo and Sony could make an absolute KILLING with a GamePass model.  MS' problem is not the model, it's the lack of games to keep people subscribed.

They'll get there eventually.  That's not changing.  Sony's running into a real issue with how to monetize their $300M+ AAA games.. if you haven't noticed.  Putting them on PC...  What do you think comes next to reduce risk for Sony?
Bro, let it go already. GamePass was never sustainable. It was something they created to extend the life of the console. It's the reason they are now about to release everything on rival platforms. Xbox died years ago and the only keeping it moving was billions of dollars from MS. Now the bean counters and investors are done and want their money back. Phil's gamble with GamePass failed. There's no coming back from this. Even if they release good games now, it's too late and Xbox is in a Dreamcast late stage death scenario. 

It's all in TheVerge article from Tom Warren. The creditors (Satya and investors) want their money back after Phil sent them on a wild goose chase. The problem is GamePass was never making money and neither was Xbox. They could have convinced Satya and Co. to hold on a little longer if they were making profit but they aren't and so the show is over.

Sony and Nintendo will never copy this shitty model. The traditional model makes money and has worked for decades. Even if games are getting more expensive they will adapt and do things to cut costs but they will never follow a stupid loser model like GamePass.

https://x.com/twthereddragon/status/1757154666276634902?s=46



Quote from: FIREPOWER on February 13, 2024, 12:12:18 AMBro, let it go already. GamePass was never sustainable. It was something they created to extend the life of the console. It's the reason they are now about to release everything on rival platforms. Xbox died years ago and the only keeping it moving was billions of dollars from MS. Now the bean counters and investors are done and want their money back. Phil's gamble with GamePass failed. There's no coming back from this. Even if they release good games now, it's too late and Xbox is in a Dreamcast late stage death scenario.

It's all in TheVerge article from Tom Warren. The creditors (Satya and investors) want their money back after Phil sent them on a wild goose chase. The problem is GamePass was never making money and neither was Xbox. They could have convinced Satya and Co. to hold on a little longer if they were making profit but they aren't and so the show is over.

Sony and Nintendo will never copy this shitty model. The traditional model makes money and has worked for decades. Even if games are getting more expensive they will adapt and do things to cut costs but they will never follow a stupid loser model like GamePass.

https://x.com/twthereddragon/status/1757154666276634902?s=46



lol dude, Sony's major studios are having a hard time supporting $300M games while selling 10M copies...  THAT is the unsustainable model.  They have one massive flop and the studios are done for...

I fully believe that games will follow the same cycle that other forms of media has and do their "subscription" phase like all the others.  Sony and Nintendo are not immune to the realities of the changing world.  None of that is going to stop because MS is bringing some of their games to PS and Nintendo.  That's the next logical way they will begin to monetize their games and reduce risk.


Quote from: Remij on February 13, 2024, 12:26:45 AMlol dude, Sony's major studios are having a hard time supporting $300M games while selling 10M copies...  THAT is the unsustainable model.  They have one massive flop and the studios are done for...

I fully believe that games will follow the same cycle that other forms of media has and do their "subscription" phase like all the others.  Sony and Nintendo are not immune to the realities of the changing world.  None of that is going to stop because MS is bringing some of their games to PS and Nintendo.  That's the next logical way they will begin to monetize their games and reduce risk.
The TV and movie industry is way bigger than the videogame industry and it had no problems fitting into the subscription industry.
It is the logical step for games.
The problem is the quality.

Quote from: Remij on February 13, 2024, 12:26:45 AMlol dude, Sony's major studios are having a hard time supporting $300M games while selling 10M copies...  THAT is the unsustainable model.  They have one massive flop and the studios are done for...

I fully believe that games will follow the same cycle that other forms of media has and do their "subscription" phase like all the others.  Sony and Nintendo are not immune to the realities of the changing world.  None of that is going to stop because MS is bringing some of their games to PS and Nintendo.  That's the next logical way they will begin to monetize their games and reduce risk.
You're on Copium bro. Even if what you say is true there are other alternatives like porting games to PC, and releasing smaller AA games and more successful PC/PS5 GAAS games like Helldivers 2. Anything is better than going with this completely failed subscription model that MS followed with GamePass. Subscriptions aren't making money. Disney has 150 million subs and are losing money fast and movies are way cheaper to make than games. If they can't find a way to make money using subs what makes you think MS will make money with their 20-30 million base that is seeing stagnant growth?

C'mon man, it doesn't make any sense. Subs make even less sense when you consider gaming is an active hobby where people can spend hundreds of hours on one game before slowly moving to the next game. Most people don't play tons of games in a month like they do with movies or music. The whole GamePass model was doomed to fail from the start. Gaming isn't like movies or music. Subs make sense if they are used as an additive to traditional gaming like how Sony and Nintendo do it. Makes zero sense to put all your eggs in it like MS did and that's why we are having this discussion about MS going third party.

Quote from: MalaXmaS on February 13, 2024, 12:38:32 AMThe TV and movie industry is way bigger than the videogame industry and it had no problems fitting into the subscription industry.
It is the logical step for games.
The problem is the quality.

This is factually false. The videogame industry is way bigger than movies. I dunno where you get your info from SlowJon  :mickeyj:

"Microsoft prepares to take Xbox everywhere"

But the resident Xbox fans said nothing was changing, business as usual :monkas:

Quote from: FIREPOWER on February 13, 2024, 12:39:03 AMYou're on Copium bro. Even if what you say is true there are other alternatives like porting games to PC, and releasing smaller AA games and more successful PC/PS5 GAAS games like Helldivers 2. Anything is better than going with this completely failed subscription model that MS followed with GamePass. Subscriptions aren't making money. Disney has 150 million subs and are losing money fast and movies are way cheaper to make than games. If they can't find a way to make money using subs what makes you think MS will make money with their 20-30 million base that is seeing stagnant growth?

C'mon man, it doesn't make any sense. Subs make even less sense when you consider gaming is an active hobby where people can spend hundreds of hours on one game before slowly moving to the next game. Most people don't play tons of games in a month like they do with movies or music. The whole GamePass model was doomed to fail from the start. Gaming isn't like movies or music. Subs make sense if they are used as an additive to traditional gaming like how Sony and Nintendo do it. Makes zero sense to put all your eggs in it like MS did and that's why we are having this discussion about MS going third party.
If subscriptions arent making money then why does Sony have one  :ben:

Quote from: FIREPOWER on February 13, 2024, 12:39:03 AMYou're on Copium bro. Even if what you say is true there are other alternatives like porting games to PC, and releasing smaller AA games and more successful PC/PS5 GAAS games like Helldivers 2. Anything is better than going with this completely failed subscription model that MS followed with GamePass. Subscriptions aren't making money. Disney has 150 million subs and are losing money fast and movies are way cheaper to make than games. If they can't find a way to make money using subs what makes you think MS will make money with their 20-30 million base that is seeing stagnant growth?

C'mon man, it doesn't make any sense. Subs make even less sense when you consider gaming is an active hobby where people can spend hundreds of hours on one game before slowly moving to the next game. Most people don't play tons of games in a month like they do with movies or music. The whole GamePass model was doomed to fail from the start. Gaming isn't like movies or music. Subs make sense if they are used as an additive to traditional gaming like how Sony and Nintendo do it. Makes zero sense to put all your eggs in it like MS did and that's why we are having this discussion about MS going third party.
I think in a world where you sell 50-100M consoles, and can get half, or more of those people subscribed to a service paying you $10-15 a month, makes it a lot less risky than where the industry is going with $300M+ games.  Sony is typically very solid when it comes to their games and the reception they get, but on the off chance that one doesn't hit as expected, or some kind of fatigue sets in which they don't anticipate.. then it could really hurt them and cause a studio closure.  They have so much riding on these big budget games.. it's super high risk.  And that's why we see less variety from them.  Less smaller games with more creative ideas, like what Japan Studio used to make.  Shawn Layden spoke about how those are becoming unsustainable as well. 

I think a subscription service, with high quality games hitting consistently, keeping people subscribed, would do amazingly well for a company like Sony.  Sony has what it takes to keep people subbed.. whereas Microsoft has really stumbled a lot with their output.  It would reduce the risk that any one game would flop and close down a studio.  

Don't get me wrong.. I understand your side of it as well.  As long as their games hit targets there's no need when you can get 10M+ people buying a game at full price or close to it.. then there's no need to push for that change... but I absolutely believe that it will come.  Costs will balloon out of control, and Sony will have to look for a way to make it more economical and less risky.