Hot Sauce 2,727 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 53 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said: Nah, Obsidian was moving to consoles anyway Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,670 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said: Don't be so sure. Don't be so sure he says.. lmao I could say that because the Play Anywhere icon isn't there that MS might just be streaming the PC version to Xbox One consoles.. it works both ways So you think Halo Infinite isn't a play anywhere title because Project xCloud... and you think that means that the PC version will be streamed and only Xbox will have native code running locally? LOL Yea, this is the delusion I'm talking about Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,085 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Remij_ said: Don't be so sure he says.. lmao I could say that because the Play Anywhere icon isn't there that MS might just be streaming the PC version to Xbox One consoles.. it works both ways So you think Halo Infinite isn't a play anywhere title because Project xCloud... and you think that means that the PC version will be streamed and only Xbox will have native code running locally? LOL Yea, this is the delusion I'm talking about It doesn't work both ways because we already know they're releasing a console as normal as it's their bread and butter, and we also know the streaming blades are made of Xbox One S internals. So this could very well be the reality, it trims the fat. It makes Xbox the flagship as they state it to be in their very xCloud reveal while still being able to deliver games elsewhere (PC included) without increasing iteration time i.e. porting game code and requiring native operation on PC which results in lost time, energy, resources and money. With PC out of the development pipeline iteration and release times would substantially increase. "We love the device that we build, our Xbox consoles, we want those to be world class. The best place to play." "Consoles are still going to be a flagship experience." They're dumping PC, get ready. Edited October 10, 2018 by DynamiteCop! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,670 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said: It doesn't work both ways because we already know they're releasing a console as normal as it's their bread and butter, and we also know the streaming blades are made of Xbox One S internals. So this could very well be the reality, it trims the fat. It makes Xbox the flagship as they state it to be in their very xCloud reveal while still being able to deliver games elsewhere (PC included) without increasing iteration time i.e. porting game code and requiring native operation on PC which results in lost time, energy, resources and money. With PC out of the development pipeline iteration and release times would substantially increase. "We love the device that we build, our Xbox consoles, we want those to be world class. The best place to play." "Consoles are still going to be a flagship experience." They're dumping PC, get ready. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,249 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 48 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said: They're dumping PC, get ready. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,249 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 47 minutes ago, Remij_ said: DynamiteCop is most likely the most delusional poster on this site...real talk Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,085 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Just now, Goukosan said: Financially and from a development standpoint it makes sense, PC doesn't move the needle, it's really done very little in general for Xbox. Losing it cuts costs, cuts resource divergence, cuts iteration time, all around it's a terrible platform for Microsoft to even bother with in a native software setting. Everything is eventually going the streaming route, games are designed for and around Xbox and streaming hardware is based on Xbox hardware. PC is just there existing interfering, the smartest move Microsoft could make would be to just offload PC to xCloud like it will be for tablets, phones and no doubt TV's and set top boxes, focus on Xbox for the premium software experience. With services designed around a continued stream of content it needs to be as streamlined as possible, PC is an obstruction to that end, it will be eliminated. They have no responsibility to PC gamers or to the PC community, they're not entitled to anything and nothing is promised, they're just an inclusion as the result of a failed experiment, they'll be absorbed into the cloud. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,249 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said: Financially and from a development standpoint it makes sense, PC doesn't move the needle, it's really done very little in general for Xbox. Losing it cuts costs, cuts resource divergence, cuts iteration time, all around it's a terrible platform for Microsoft to even bother with in a native software setting. Everything is eventually going the streaming route, games are designed for and around Xbox and streaming hardware is based on Xbox hardware. PC is just there existing interfering, the smartest move Microsoft could make would be to just offload PC to xCloud like it will be for tablets, phones and no doubt TV's and set top boxes, focus on Xbox for the premium software experience. With services designed around a continued stream of content it needs to be as streamlined as possible, PC is an obstruction to that end, it will be eliminated. They have no responsibility to PC gamers or to the PC community, they're not entitled to anything and nothing is promised, they're just an inclusion as the result of a failed experiment, they'll be absorbed into the cloud. MS makes more money off of PC than they do with Xbox. They're in the beginning phases of phasing out Xbox hardware (in 4 years) but your dumbass thinks this is signaling MS dropping PCs? ..... PC is the bread and butter of MS. While they have sunk so much money into Xbox and haven't made back their ROI from OG Xbox all the way to Xbox1. Xbox1 is doing "so well" that they have to hide the actual figures (sales) and lump it in together with "entertainment". Bro.. you're being beyond delusional. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,085 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Goukosan said: MS makes more money off of PC than they do with Xbox. They're in the beginning phases of phasing out Xbox hardware (in 4 years) but your dumbass thinks this is signaling MS dropping PCs? ..... PC is the bread and butter of MS. While they have sunk so much money into Xbox and haven't made back their ROI from OG Xbox all the way to Xbox1. Xbox1 is doing "so well" that they have to hide the actual figures (sales) and lump it in together with "entertainment". Bro.. you're being beyond delusional. PC is MICROSOFT's bread and butter, not Xbox's, big distinction there bud. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,249 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said: PC is MICROSOFT's bread and butter, not Xbox's, big distinction there bud. are you trying to prove my point for me? PC is MICROSOFT's bread and butter. Xbox is a brand that Microsoft owns. A brand that had been a huge sink hole foe them so far. Yet.. you think they're going to drop PC in favor of Xbox... even though they're moving away from Xbox hardware exclusivity and will be streaming Xbox games to multiple devices. Like I said.... you're delusional bro. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,085 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Goukosan said: are you trying to prove my point for me? PC is MICROSOFT's bread and butter. Xbox is a brand that Microsoft owns. A brand that had been a huge sink hole foe them so far. Yet.. you think they're going to drop PC in favor of Xbox... even though they're moving away from Xbox hardware exclusivity and will be streaming Xbox games to multiple devices. Like I said.... you're delusional bro. Xbox is an independently operating division within Microsoft, what takes place externally has no basis for what's happening internally within Xbox. PC is a huge factor of Microsoft's function for OS's, enterprise, cloud, software services etc, that however is Microsoft's other divisions outside of Xbox. Within Xbox PC is a footnote, it's nothing, it could vanish from existence as far as the Xbox division is concerned and very little would change for them. Stop being an obtuse fucking moron acting like you don't understand these clear distinctions. God you're infuriatingly dumb. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,249 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said: Xbox is an independently operating division within Microsoft, what takes place externally has no basis for what's happening internally within Xbox. PC is a huge factor of Microsoft's function for OS's, enterprise, cloud, software services etc, that however is Microsoft's other divisions outside of Xbox. Within Xbox PC is a footnote, it's nothing, it could vanish from existence as far as the Xbox division is concerned and very little would change for them. Stop being an obtuse fucking moron acting like you don't understand these clear distinctions. God you're infuriatingly dumb. Numb nuts..within Microsoft.. Xbox is less than a footnote when compared to PC. Im not going to go back and forth with you anymore with your delusional shit.... You thinking MS will drop PC in favor of Xbox is one of the most dumbest and delusional things I've ever heard on this board.....bar none Congrats. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,670 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 17 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said: Financially and from a development standpoint it makes sense, PC doesn't move the needle, it's really done very little in general for Xbox. Losing it cuts costs, cuts resource divergence, cuts iteration time, all around it's a terrible platform for Microsoft to even bother with in a native software setting. Everything is eventually going the streaming route, games are designed for and around Xbox and streaming hardware is based on Xbox hardware. PC is just there existing interfering, the smartest move Microsoft could make would be to just offload PC to xCloud like it will be for tablets, phones and no doubt TV's and set top boxes, focus on Xbox for the premium software experience. With services designed around a continued stream of content it needs to be as streamlined as possible, PC is an obstruction to that end, it will be eliminated. They have no responsibility to PC gamers or to the PC community, they're not entitled to anything and nothing is promised, they're just an inclusion as the result of a failed experiment, they'll be absorbed into the cloud. lol shit... how can someone be so clueless as to what MS is doing is beyond me Hardware is the fat that MS is trimming idiot. MS has no stake in developing PC hardware... they have the biggest PC gaming platform in the world. Consoles are what are completely redundant and unnecessary. PCs will exist no matter what... because the companies that design these consoles are PC HARDWARE companies who's very business depends on selling GPUs to consumers that dont make the cut for their server and professional markets. You don't get streaming to a point where it's acceptable for the masses and then spend millions and millions in R&D to build a fucking console to base it on... LOL. MS has been moving EVERYTHING to PC... building their entire platform around UWP. Integrating DX12, UWP, Windows, and all of their services which were once console exclusive and building it all as part of their windows platform. No Xbox required. MS just created a new API specifically for the future of gaming DXR on PC... What competition does MS have from Sony and Nintendo on the PC? LOL... they have everything to gain from natively supporting their PC platform and nothing to lose... They're basically bowing the fuck out of the console space because their competition is destroying them there.. God damn you're blind as fuck. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,670 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 40 minutes ago, Goukosan said: DynamiteCop is most likely the most delusional poster on this site...real talk And he got the courage to say all of this... because Halo Infinite's web page doesn't have a Play Anywhere icon on it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,249 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, Remij_ said: lol shit... how can someone be so clueless as to what MS is doing is beyond me Hardware is the fat that MS is trimming idiot. MS has no stake in developing PC hardware... they have the biggest PC gaming platform in the world. Consoles are what are completely redundant and unnecessary. PCs will exist no matter what... because the companies that design these consoles are PC HARDWARE companies who's very business depends on selling GPUs to consumers that dont make the cut for their server and professional markets. You don't get streaming to a point where it's acceptable for the masses and then spend millions and millions in R&D to build a fucking console to base it on... LOL. MS has been moving EVERYTHING to PC... building their entire platform around UWP. Integrating DX12, UWP, Windows, and all of their services which were once console exclusive and building it all as part of their windows platform. No Xbox required. MS just created a new API specifically for the future of gaming DXR on PC... What competition does MS have from Sony and Nintendo on the PC? LOL... they have everything to gain from natively supporting their PC platform and nothing to lose... They're basically bowing the fuck out of the console space because their competition is destroying them there.. God damn you're blind as fuck. Xbox is getting curb stomped in the console space....wait...lets drop our most profitable segment of our business (PC)... an area that we literally have a monopoly on and no real competition... a space we will dominate for the foreseeable future. Lets drop that in favor of XBox. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,249 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Remij_ said: And he got the courage to say all of this... because Halo Infinite's web page doesn't have a Play Anywhere icon on it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,670 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Just now, Goukosan said: Xbox is getting curb stomped in the console space....wait...lets drop our most profitable segment of our business (PC)... and area that we literally have a monopoly on and no real competition... a space we will dominate for the foreseeable future. Lets drop that in favor of XBox. Hey PC gamers... hope you liked the recently released Forza Horizon 4 and look forward to all of our other announced games including Gears 5... but starting with Halo Infinite that's it from us and you'll have to subscribe to xCloud if you want to stream our games to your PC. Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,670 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Goukosan said: Remember... PC is nothing for Xbox gaming... pushing adoption of their Windows Store initiative and user engagement across Windows isn't a priority at all. It could vanish tomorrow and not affect Xbox at all... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,249 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Just now, Remij_ said: Remember... PC is nothing for MS gaming... pushing adoption of their Windows Store initiative and user engagement across Windows isn't a priority at all. It could vanish tomorrow and not affect Xbox at all... Don't forget... it wouldn't affect Xbox at all because Xbox is such a juggernaut when compared to PC, Switch and PS4.. Pfffffft when MS drops PC it will fall off the same cliff that Switch and PS4 fell off of Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,085 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, Goukosan said: Numb nuts..within Microsoft.. Xbox is less than a footnote when compared to PC. Im not going to go back and forth with you anymore with your delusional shit.... You thinking MS will drop PC in favor of Xbox is one of the most dumbest thing I've ever heard on this board.....bar none Congrats. You're still too fucking moronic to make a distinction from the company and the division, why am I even talking to someone so stupid that they can't make this distinction? Why? Xbox is an INDEPENDENTLY operating division, the only person they answer to is the CEO, they're basically operating as their own company within the company, they're almost identically akin to a subsidiary now. PC is not moving the needle for Xbox, it's not moving the needle for video games, it's not grasping community attention and bringing in money, Xbox is, Xbox users are. Software sales are the primary concern here, PC is an expenditure, not a benefit for them. No one is saying Microsoft is dropping PC, but this division likely will in favor of absorbing PC into their streaming infrastructure. Financially it makes sense, developmentally it makes sense, in terms of resources and employee energy it makes sense. Do you know why Play Anywhere exists? Terry Myerson, a man hugely focused on only financial projections and making a branch of the business as profitable as possible at any cost. Something like Play Anywhere is not the brainchild of Phil Spencer, it's the brainchild of the person who WAS actually in control trying to expand software sales beyond Xbox for additional revenue, that experiment failed in glorious fashion. So what can Microsoft do? They can't just dump PC without backlash, they offload it to another service entity, one which requires absolutely no software intervention. 4 minutes ago, Goukosan said: Xbox is getting curb stomped in the console space....wait...lets drop our most profitable segment of our business (PC)... an area that we literally have a monopoly on and no real competition... a space we will dominate for the foreseeable future. Lets drop that in favor of XBox. You're still doing it, absolutely unhinged retardation. PC is the LEAST profitable segment of Xbox aside from hardware itself, it's not doing anything for them. PC gamers are not lapping up their software like envisioned, as stated they're not moving the needle. Xbox software is selling just as it has been, Xbox hardware is selling just as it has been. PC's introduction to Xbox's library has done nothing. Xbox not natively developing titles for PC isn't Microsoft dropping PC you fucking dumb shit, it's not them abandoning PC for all the other facets of Microsoft's business... It's Xbox trimming a completely ineffectual experiment from THEIR roster. My god you are one of the dumbest people I've ever encountered in my entire life, you make Jerry seem intelligent. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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