DynamiteCop 2,085 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Just now, Team 2019 said: People keep arguing about Tflops, but isn't memory bandwidth objectively a bigger concern and a bigger bottleneck than GPU processing power? Well Microsoft seems to be well aware of memory limitations and clearly won't allow that to be an issue hence their work on the X, and Sony no doubt learned their lesson with the Pro so I doubt there is anything to be concerned about. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,670 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, Team 2019 said: The 4K barrier is the biggest pain in the ass for next gen. The pixel jump is just insane. Consoles should have went through a 1440p phase first in all honesty... but that doesn't market as well as 4K!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,085 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Remij_ said: Consoles should have went through a 1440p phase first in all honesty... but that doesn't market as well as 4K!!! Of course it doesn't, 1440p TV's don't exist. That would have been a disaster, a no man's land product. The irony being the Pro is a 1440p console yet through marketing around 4K they worked around it. There's even more irony than this, it doesn't even have a 1440p display mode Edited January 21, 2019 by DynamiteCop! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,670 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Just now, DynamiteCop! said: Of course it doesn't, 1440p TV's don't exist. That would have been a disaster. Not really... they've been doing it since the PRO launched anyway Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sergio Perez SP11 173 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 23 minutes ago, Remij_ said: And there you see the difference between AMD TFLOPS and Nvidia TFLOPS.. 14TF AMD = 9TF Nvidia Wonder if Navi is going to be much different? True BUT With a Power Mod which allows a 18% core increase Vega 56 outperforms a GTX 1080 and holds its own vs RTX 2070 The modded Vega 56 is about 12.2 Teraflops https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3382-rtx-2070-versus-power-modded-vega-56 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,670 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, Carlos Vela said: True BUT With a Power Mod which allows a 18% core increase Vega 56 outperforms a GTX 1080 and holds its own vs RTX 2070 The modded Vega 56 is about 12.2 Teraflops https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3382-rtx-2070-versus-power-modded-vega-56 Kill your card within a year just to match the competition using power mods The factory overclocked 3rd party 1080's still beat it though, and same for the 2070s. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JonDnD 2,608 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Remij_ said: Consoles should have went through a 1440p phase first in all honesty... but that doesn't market as well as 4K!!! What do you mean? Sony DID market 1440p as 4k and the cows here DID go along with it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,670 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 20 minutes ago, Jon2B said: What do you mean? Sony DID market 1440p as 4k and the cows here DID go along with it LOL yea, we can laugh now.. but really the jump from 1080p to 4K is massive. Especially at a time where technological improvements between generations is smaller than ever, and the so called "diminishing returns" line getting thrown around more and more each successive generation. It was a big jump to hit that mark and a big dedication of resources just to improve the clarity of the image and not really push ahead in other areas. Of course, in this current gen, the new consoles are still held back by their aging CPUs, so there wasn't really anything much else to do but improve resolution. If either Sony or MS can further improve their IQ using temporal reconstruction techniques or machine learning techniques to where the difference is even less noticeable than this current gen, then I should hope that developers make the right choice and implement them and push the limits as far as possible. I think this coming gen we'll see a great mix of native/sub-native and 60/30fps games. Games are gonna be looking real gorgeous though come 2020 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sergio Perez SP11 173 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Remij_ said: Kill your card within a year just to match the competition using power mods The factory overclocked 3rd party 1080's still beat it though, and same for the 2070s. 1 hour ago, Remij_ said: Kill your card within a year just to match the competition using power mods The factory overclocked 3rd party 1080's still beat it though, and same for the 2070s. Lol I’m just saying Vega 64 is like the worst offender when it comes to Teraflop and real world performance. Since you were comparing Vega 64 to a 1080 I believe 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,085 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Carlos Vela said: Lol I’m just saying Vega 64 is like the worst offender when it comes to Teraflop and real world performance. Since you were comparing Vega 64 to a 1080 I believe Well not in the scope of AMD's GCN, you can't compare completely polarised hardware design and architecture that way. A Teraflop is not a Teraflop when the instruction handling is different to reach that figure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,670 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Carlos Vela said: Lol I’m just saying Vega 64 is like the worst offender when it comes to Teraflop and real world performance. Since you were comparing Vega 64 to a 1080 I believe Yea, true. I'm genuinely curious about how or if Navi is going to change things up with regards to how theoretical performance aligns between the two vendors? So many unanswered questions Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,725 Posted January 22, 2019 Author Share Posted January 22, 2019 (edited) Any thoughts on Lockhart and Anaconda pricing or specs? I'm kinda lost, I have no idea what they'll do. 400 and 600 sort of makes sense, but I'm not sure. The idea that specs will be Lockhart >PS5 > Anaconda sounds a bit too ideal of a balance between the three. Edited January 22, 2019 by Team 2019 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,725 Posted January 22, 2019 Author Share Posted January 22, 2019 Let's ignore the realism of release dates for a second. Why would you ever want a 2021 console release. If PS5 launches in 2019, you're going to have a revision of a Pro most likely by 2022. Why on earth would you ever want a 2021 release. You always have a more powerful console coming down the line, we are no longer bound to the same hardware for 7 years in a row. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,725 Posted January 22, 2019 Author Share Posted January 22, 2019 Also Sony meeting for PS4 was announced in January 31st, two weeks before reveal. I expect the same thing but for March 2019. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,725 Posted January 25, 2019 Author Share Posted January 25, 2019 A leak, probably bullshit but it makes too much sense anyways. Lockhart will have a normal spinner HDD, only Anaconda will have a SSD solution. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,725 Posted January 25, 2019 Author Share Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) Sony fiscal report on Feb 1st. https://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/library/presen/er/index.html Last fiscal year they blurred 2019 and 2020, to hide the release date. Feb 1st we'll know unless they manipulate shit again. Edited January 25, 2019 by Team 2019 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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