DynamiteCop 2,085 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Just now, The Mother Fucker said: It's not a problem, it's my adaptive view on gaming. When you get older, yours will change too. When I get older? I am older, I'm 33 man. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Mother Fucker 26 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 minute ago, DynamiteCop! said: When I get older? I am older, I'm 33 man. You are 33 years old? Why do you act like you are 15 going 21 on this board? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,085 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 minute ago, The Mother Fucker said: You are 33 years old? Why do you act like you are 15 going 21 on this board? Everyone does lol, you seem quite disconnected from where you are. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,725 Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 Where is the link they didn't take a loss? https://www.polygon.com/2013/11/20/5125098/sony-nearing-breakeven-point-on-cost-of-ps4-hardware Sony expects to initially take a loss on each console sold due to other expenses, and will either break even or attain profitability as hardware costs decline over time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,085 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, Team 2019 said: Where is the link they didn't take a loss? https://www.polygon.com/2013/11/20/5125098/sony-nearing-breakeven-point-on-cost-of-ps4-hardware Sony expects to initially take a loss on each console sold due to other expenses, and will either break even or attain profitability as hardware costs decline over time. You're literally pulling from exactly what I am. The console was still $381 to produce, "other expenses" equates to marketing, promotional materials etc. Things like that which make the system launch non-profitable but that has no bearing on the system itself. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,725 Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 https://patents.justia.com/inventor/mark-evan-cerny Tons of Cerny patents. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,725 Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 https://www.pcbuildersclub.com/en/2019/01/four-versions-of-amd-navi-appeared-in-macos-update/amp/ Four Versions of AMD Navi appeared in MacOS update Four Navi GPUs appeared in MacOS Mojave In the TonyMacx86 forum (via Videocardz) a user discovered something in the MacOS Mojave source code. In a file called “AMDRadeon6000HWServiceskext” the GPUs Navi 9, Navi 10, Navi 12 and Navi 16 can be found. The chip might always be the same, while the names only indicate variants or expansion levels. It is still uncertain which expansion stages are involved. However, the number could be the number of compute units, which is why the Navi graphics cards in the source code are probably mobile GPUs. The largest of these GPUs could therefore have 1,024 shader units. Another theory is that these are already the finished chip names, which is why Navi 10 could also be the top model with 64 CUs. The fact that Apple is already adapting the first lines of code to Navi could also mean that the new graphics cards will come onto the market much earlier than previously assumed. Six weeks before the launch of Vega, the MacOS source code showed signs of it for the first time. Other sources mention a presentation of the Navi graphics cards at E3 2019 in June. It is possible that AMD might launch the mobile versions earlier, while the desktop versions will follow at a later date. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,725 Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 20 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said: You're literally pulling from exactly what I am. The console was still $381 to produce, "other expenses" equates to marketing, promotional materials etc. Things like that which make the system launch non-profitable but that has no bearing on the system itself. Pro had a big profit margin regardless and PS4 was a lose. Added costs or not is absolutely irrelevant because a console can't teleport to your bedroom from a factory. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,085 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Team 2019 said: https://patents.justia.com/inventor/mark-evan-cerny Tons of Cerny patents. So basically what that says is the Pro began principal development in February of 2015, what it also says is that some of these patents are contradictory of technology implemented in the Xbox One X which also tells me it pre-dates Cerny's patents and they couldn't act as an injunction of existing functions already implemented by a competitor I told you guys time and time again, the chicken came before the egg Edited January 21, 2019 by DynamiteCop! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sergio Perez SP11 173 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 3 hours ago, Jon2B said: What's the cheapest 10tf card right now Vega 56 is on sale for $300 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JonDnD 2,608 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 That's a 10 tf card ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,085 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jon2B said: That's a 10 tf card ? Yeah, 10.5. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JonDnD 2,608 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 So basically the rumors of ps5 being around a 1080 seem accurate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,085 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Jon2B said: So basically the rumors of ps5 being around a 1080 seem accurate The Vega 64 is on level with a GTX 1080 at 13.7 Teraflops. https://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/2373?vs=2139 56 https://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/2143?vs=2139 64 Edited January 21, 2019 by DynamiteCop! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,725 Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 Navi is more efficient hitting the theoretical Tflop number, and it seem MS and Sony are basically going to be using identical APUs. They both need some sort of hack to bypass the 4K barrier which is just a waste of processing power. They néed something like Nvidia's DLSS or some shit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,670 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 minute ago, DynamiteCop! said: The Vega 64 is on level with a GTX 1080 at 13.7 Teraflops. And there you see the difference between AMD TFLOPS and Nvidia TFLOPS.. 14TF AMD = 9TF Nvidia Wonder if Navi is going to be much different? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,085 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Team 2019 said: Navi is more efficient hitting the theoretical Tflop number, and it seem MS and Sony are basically going to be using identical APUs. They both need some sort of hack to bypass the 4K barrier which is just a waste of processing power. They néed something like Nvidia's DLSS or some shit. Boom. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,085 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Remij_ said: And there you see the difference between AMD TFLOPS and Nvidia TFLOPS.. 14TF AMD = 9TF Nvidia Wonder if Navi is going to be much different? Yeah they're competent in completely different things, in terms of 3D rendering AMD's cards fall behind in terms of floating point but their mathematical computing capability is off the charts. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,725 Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 Just now, DynamiteCop! said: Boom. I posted that today. The question is all this can be accelerated and improved, it'd be amazing if such hardware optimizations could be backed into the hardware like the Pro ID Buffer for checkerboard acceleration. The 4K barrier is the biggest pain in the ass for next gen. The pixel jump is just insane. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,725 Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 People keep arguing about Tflops, but isn't memory bandwidth objectively a bigger concern and a bigger bottleneck than GPU processing power? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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