lynux3 2,052 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said: getting nervous yet, seems Google has no issue using it with their next-gen hardware. They're using a variation of the Vega GPU... which only uses HBM, dipshit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,670 Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said: getting nervous yet, seems Google has no issue using it with their next-gen hardware. lmao, no... not nervous at all. Those are in servers... not console hardware What a stupid bump But thanks.. this just adds fuel to the fire I'm going to burn you with Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,085 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Just now, lynux3 said: They're using a variation of the Vega GPU... which only uses HBM, dipshit. It has to be custom, there is no Vega 56 with 16 GB's. Who's to say Navi is going to use something different you fucking moron Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,085 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Remij_ said: lmao, no... not nervous at all. Those are in servers... not console hardware What a stupid bump But thanks.. this just adds fuel to the fire I'm going to burn you with It's a next-gen configuration whether in a server or not, it's custom, it's running a unified pool of HBM2... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lynux3 2,052 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 minute ago, DynamiteCop! said: It has to be custom, there is no Vega 56 with 16 GB's. Who's to say Navi is going to use something different you fucking moron Like I said, the Vega arch only uses HBM. AMD never made it compatible with other forms of memory like they're doing with Navi. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,085 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Just now, lynux3 said: Like I said, the Vega arch only uses HBM. AMD never made it compatible with other forms of memory like they're doing with Navi. According to what? Nothing is known about Navi Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,670 Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 minute ago, DynamiteCop! said: It's a next-gen configuration whether in a server or not, it's custom, it's running a unified pool of HBM2... ok Dynamite Quote Link to post Share on other sites
McWicked 825 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said: It's a next-gen configuration whether in a server or not, it's custom, it's running a unified pool of HBM2... This is like saying generating energy in a coal plant is the same as generating energy in a car. Fuck it, we're gonna have coal-powered cars. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,670 Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 484GB/s bandwidth?? And we're supposed to be worried that PS5/X2 will use HBM?? Bu but Dynamite... this is HBM2.... you were talking about HBM... are you changing your tune?? Dumbo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,085 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 minute ago, McWicked said: This is like saying generating energy in a coal plant is the same as generating energy in a car. Fuck it, we're gonna have coal-powered cars. No it's not, they built a semi-custom system which is exactly what a console is. 2 minutes ago, Remij_ said: 484GB/s bandwidth?? And we're supposed to be worried that PS5/X2 will use HBM?? Bu but Dynamite... this is HBM2.... you were talking about HBM... are you changing your tune?? Dumbo I thought HBM2 would be more cost prohibitive, apparently not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lynux3 2,052 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Didn't Dynamite say they were going to use HBM3? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,085 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Just now, lynux3 said: Didn't Dynamite say they were going to use HBM3? No Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,670 Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said: I thought HBM2 would be more cost prohibitive, apparently not. It is. And PS5 and X2 will likely have more than 16GB total ram. Let me put it this way... nobody is worried about a next gen console with 484GB/s bandwidth with only 16GB of RAM... GDDR6 will get them to 24GB and almost double the bandwidth... They absolutely aren't throwing in 24GB of any HBM memory and doubling the bandwidth... that would be extremely cost prohibitive.. and there's no benefit over GDDR6. It's not happening. Mass market products will use GDDR6... book it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lynux3 2,052 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said: No Either way, HBM or GDDR will work. It's been rumored that Navi will be supporting both HBM and GDDR. Seeing that HBM costs a lot more than GDDR it just makes more sense that console manufacturers will go with the cheaper solution. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,085 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, lynux3 said: Either way, HBM or GDDR will work. It's been rumored that Navi will be supporting both HBM and GDDR. Seeing that HBM costs a lot more than GDDR it just makes more sense that console manufacturers will go with the cheaper solution. It doesn't necessarily cost more, it just depends on what speed the memory is like it does with all memory. It's less capacity and more capability when determining cost. I mean it costs what it does in the Radeon VII because it's 1 TB/s of bandwidth, that's absolutely insane, that's double the bandwidth of my Vega 64 with the "same" memory. In a console as an engineer I'd also find HBM to be a much better solution anyway because you can eliminate a rather large footprint which dram modules create on the mainboard. Look at all the extra traces needed and how much needless space that consumes, also think about possibly doubling that amount of memory... Edited March 20, 2019 by DynamiteCop! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,670 Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said: It doesn't necessarily cost more, it just depends on what speed the memory is like it does with all memory. It's less capacity and more capability when determining cost. I mean it costs what it does in the Radeon VII because it's 1 TB/s of bandwidth, that's absolutely insane, that's double the bandwidth of my Vega 64 with the "same" memory. In a console as an engineer I'd also find HBM to be a much better solution anyway because you can eliminate a rather large footprint which dram modules create on the mainboard. Look at all the extra traces needed and how much needless space that consumes, also think about possibly doubling that amount of memory... Harder to keep cool. Concentrated hotspots... HBM is finicky at high temps. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lynux3 2,052 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said: It doesn't necessarily cost more, it just depends on what speed the memory is like it does with all memory. It's less capacity and more capability when determining cost. I mean it costs what it does in the Radeon VII because it's 1 TB/s of bandwidth, that's absolutely insane, that's double the bandwidth of my Vega 64 with the "same" memory. In a console as an engineer I'd also find HBM to be a much better solution anyway because you can eliminate a rather large footprint which dram modules create on the mainboard. I'd love to have HBM. It runs decently cool and is low power. I'm awaiting Computex to hear the whole story because that's more than likely when AMD takes the wraps off Navi. Edited March 20, 2019 by lynux3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,085 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Remij_ said: Harder to keep cool. Concentrated hotspots... HBM is finicky at high temps. It seems to actually be fine at high temps if you don't get crazy with it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Mother Fucker 26 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 hour ago, DynamiteCop! said: getting nervous yet, seems Google has no issue using it with their next-gen hardware. I'm still waiting on that Phantom console. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kaz 2,439 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 minute ago, The Mother Fucker said: I'm still waiting on that Phantom console. I'm still waiting for someone to console me I'm sad and lonely. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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