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PS5 rumor from Beyond3D (first Wii specs were leaked this way)

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2 minutes ago, Goukosan said:

The casual masses aren't building gaming PCs.  While all your points are valid... those are points that apply to gaming enthusiasts. 

The casual masses aren't early adopters in general though. Even if it launches for $399 they'll wait for a black friday bundle/price drop. 

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39 minutes ago, Goukosan said:

Sounds great.... but also sounds like 599 US all over again. 

Maybe. PS3 was that expensive because the BOM was beyond that price. It was in excess of $800 to build. All of the money lost in the PS3 era was due to losses on hardware. That's what happens when you use components that aren't mass produced.

 

With the current specifications and components this thing isn't even close to what PS3 will cost. Zen 2, GDDR6, DDR4, Navi, etc. all of these components are cheap and being mass produced in comparison to Cell, RSX, XDR and a brand new optical disc technology.

 

I think it's possible to still have a $399 price tag, but you're gonna take a hit... $499 at the most.

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1 minute ago, lynux3 said:

Maybe. PS3 was that expensive because the BOM was beyond that price. It was in excess of $800 to build. All of the money lost in the PS3 era was due to losses on hardware. That's what happens when you use components that aren't mass produced.

 

With the current specifications and components this thing isn't even close to what PS3 will cost. Zen 2, GDDR6, DDR4, Navi, etc. all of these components are cheap and being mass produced in comparison to Cell, RSX, XDR and a brand new optical disc technology.

 

I think it's possible to still have a $399 price tag, but you're gonna take a hit... $499 at the most.

:mj:

 

You're on drugs if you think any of that could come in at $400-$500 in 2020. The RAM alone would almost equal the system cost...

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If this rumor turns out being true then honestly... holy fuckin' shit. :whew: I have my doubts, but it sounds in line with my personal prediction. Hope it's true though.

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1 minute ago, DynamiteCop! said:

:mj:

 

You're on drugs if you think any of that could come in at $400-$500 in 2020. The RAM alone would almost equal the system cost...

You're stupid as fuck if you think looking at RAM costs at Newegg is the prices that Sony are going to be getting. The margins on memory are stupid high.

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Just now, lynux3 said:

You're stupid as fuck if you think looking at RAM costs at Newegg is the prices that Sony are going to be getting. The margins on memory are stupid high.

It's not Newegg, it's manufacturing cost. Why do you think the RTX 2080 is an 8GB card unlike the 11GB 1080 Ti?

 

Cost, GDDR6 is not cheap...

 

20 gigs of GDDR6 and 4 gigs of DDR4 lol? Are you insane? :danylol:

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11 minutes ago, Casual said:

The casual masses aren't early adopters in general though. Even if it launches for $399 they'll wait for a black friday bundle/price drop. 

Bro, if these are the specs it still will be full priced by the Holidays. 

 

 

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Just now, DynamiteCop! said:

It's not Newegg, it's manufacturing cost. Why do you think the RTX 2080 is an 8GB card unlike the 11GB 1080 Ti?

 

Cost, GDDR6 is not cheap...

 

20 gigs of GDDR6 and 4 gigs of DDR4 lol? Are you insane? :danylol:

It was estimated in 2013 that it cost Sony $88 for 8GB of GDDR5. Who knows what it costs now, probably half or less than half of that. Until we see the actual components in a PS5 we won't know how much any of it will cost.

 

Again, you can't look at consumer enthusiast products and base pricing off of that. That's not how it works... at all. First and foremost the PS5 will be mass produced in the millions... not tens of thousands like an RTX 20XX series card.

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7 minutes ago, lynux3 said:

It was estimated in 2013 that it cost Sony $88 for 8GB of GDDR5. Who knows what it costs now, probably half or less than half of that. Until we see the actual components in a PS5 we won't know how much any of it will cost.

 

Again, you can't look at consumer enthusiast products and base pricing off of that. That's not how it works... at all. First and foremost the PS5 will be mass produced in the millions... not tens of thousands like an RTX 20XX series card.

For 1GB of 14Gbps GDDR6 ( what Nvidia uses) it's $26.36 per GB...

 

For 20GB's that $527.20 and doesn't even include the DDR4... You're on drugs kid... 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said:

For 1GB of 14Gbps GDDR6 ( what Nvidia uses) it's $26.36 per GB...

 

For 20GB's that $527.20 and doesn't even include the DDR4... You're on drugs kid... 

 

 

 

I'll remember this when the console launches and someone does a breakdown of the costs again.

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2 minutes ago, lynux3 said:

I'll remember this when the console launches and someone does a breakdown of the costs again.

That is purchase order prices directly from Micron. The shit is expensive and you're delusional.

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Just now, DynamiteCop! said:

That is purchase order prices directly from Micron. The shit is expensive and you're delusional.

No, you're a dumbass if you think that's the real pricing for these components. You've been wrong time and time again yet you insist on calling others delusional. You're going to be eating crow as usual.

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1 minute ago, lynux3 said:

No, you're a dumbass if you think that's the real pricing for these components. You've been wrong time and time again yet you insist on calling others delusional. You're going to be eating crow as usual.

That is direct from Micron for fulfilled purchase orders, the manufacturer of the memory for christ sakes.

 

Stop for a second and quit being stupid. GDDR5X is looking more likely than else.

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4 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said:

That is direct from Micron for fulfilled purchase orders, the manufacturer of the memory for christ sakes.

 

Stop for a second and quit being stupid. GDDR5X is looking more likely than else.

No, that's not direct from Micron. You're so stupid. :D

 

Yeah, let me stop for a second, stop being stupid and pretend Navi isn't being designed to utilize GDDR6 and HBM2... :lawl: 

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5 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said:

That is direct from Micron for fulfilled purchase orders, the manufacturer of the memory for christ sakes.

 

Stop for a second and quit being stupid. GDDR5X is looking more likely than else.

Listed are only ICs from Micron, the competitors Samsung and SK Hynix are not represented. It should also be borne in mind that the quoted reference prices are for a purchase quantity of 2,000 units, graphics card manufacturers are likely to buy significantly larger quantities and thus receive the components cheaper. 3dcenter.org estimates the possible discount on 20 to 40 percent and we would also like to point out once again that the following data are estimates.

 

From the prices quoted, it can be calculated that total storage costs only about $ 35-45 (GDDR5) or $ 55-75 (GDDR6) for say 8GB GiBDoubling the amount of storage to 16 GiB would also double the purchase cost, so the storage would cost around $ 70- $ 90 or $ 110-150. Cost factors such as assembly and even the more complex boards are not taken into account.

 

Dude... nobody is paying $500+ for 20GB of memory.. how could they even do business like that on this scale? :D :D :D 

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4 minutes ago, Remij_ said:

Listed are only ICs from Micron, the competitors Samsung and SK Hynix are not represented. It should also be borne in mind that the quoted reference prices are for a purchase quantity of 2,000 units, graphics card manufacturers are likely to buy significantly larger quantities and thus receive the components cheaper. 3dcenter.org estimates the possible discount on 20 to 40 percent and we would also like to point out once again that the following data are estimates.

 

From the prices quoted, it can be calculated that total storage costs only about $ 35-45 (GDDR5) or $ 55-75 (GDDR6) for say 8GB GiBDoubling the amount of storage to 16 GiB would also double the purchase cost, so the storage would cost around $ 70- $ 90 or $ 110-150. Cost factors such as assembly and even the more complex boards are not taken into account.

 

Dude... nobody is paying $500+ for 20GB of memory.. how could they even do business like that on this scale? :D :D :D 

Seriously. It would be ridiculous if OEMs were paying $500+ for that amount of memory. No one would be stupid enough to even touch that shit including NVIDIA, AMD, Intel, and not to mention if those prices were the case no semiconductor would even be fabricating that shit. :mj:

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