McWicked 825 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 8 hours ago, Cookester15 said: That's not the point. It's about forcing the issue, if it feels forced then you can notice, if it's done naturally and genuinely then it's great! If they are doing it for politically and social points then it comes off as tacky and unnecessary. If you can explain to me how options in a character creator are "forced", i would fuckin' love to hear it, Cookie. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,085 Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share Posted March 22, 2019 Just now, McWicked said: If you can explain to me how options in a character creator are "forced", i would fuckin' love to hear it, Cookie. The first information the developers released about this game is the shit I posted in this thread. Game. Set. Match. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
McWicked 825 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Just now, DynamiteCop! said: The first information the developers released about this game is the shit I posted in this thread. Game. Set. Match. Never knew game set match was waving a white flag. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,085 Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 minute ago, McWicked said: Never knew game set match was waving a white flag. I don't think you get it kid, the fact that this is the first information they wanted people to know means it's being forced... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
McWicked 825 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Just now, DynamiteCop! said: I don't think you get it kid, the fact that this is the first information they wanted people to know means it's being forced... Which race and gender are you planning on being forced into choosing? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,085 Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 minute ago, McWicked said: Which race and gender are you planning on being forced into choosing? The choice isn't being forced, the fact that it is a choice is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,723 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 People offended about gender choice, when you choose between like 6 different species of vampire clan. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,085 Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share Posted March 22, 2019 Just now, Team 2019 said: People offended about gender choice, when you choose between like 6 different species of vampire clan. Well at least they're all equally science fiction Quote Link to post Share on other sites
McWicked 825 Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 13 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said: The choice isn't being forced, the fact that it is a choice is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Teh_Diplomat 2,054 Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 24 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said: The choice isn't being forced, the fact that it is a choice is. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,085 Posted March 23, 2019 Author Share Posted March 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Teh_Diplomat said: It shouldn't be a choice, it's perpetuating the acceptance of mental illness. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TLHBO 2,158 Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 1 hour ago, McWicked said: Which race and gender are you planning on being forced into choosing? Nobody chooses their gender you bigot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sabo 442 Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Character creation is not my issue. This is my issue: To further bring it up to date, it’s been a conscious decision by Hardsuit Labs for Bloodlines 2 to reflect fifteen years of change in the game and real world, and its setting of Seattle. The developer is taking a refreshing approach of weaving politics into the game, both in terms of narrative and gameplay. Now if they go the Deus Ex approach then it'll be fine. Deus Ex does a great job of presenting the current politics of our world and interweaving the core elements to make them fit the narrative of it's world. It doesn't feel heavy handed, it doesn't feel forced, and you can easily draw correlations between it's world and our world. Basically, it's just very well done. However, the current trend of movies and games incorporating politics over the past few years and this quote specifically is what has me worried for the game. Pushing for change is fine and I'm all for it. But trying to FORCE change is a problem and is the approach the mediums are going with. This approach is not genuine, stuff is being created with such transparent intentions, you can actually see where they're forcing stuff in just so they can check all the boxes. It just comes across as manufactured bullshit to me and It's made even worse with the self-congratulatory attitude the creators have after the product is complete and anyone who calls them out on the bullshit they produced is immediately labeled the "bad guy". Everything about the situation is just toxic and is counter-productive. Humans are complex creatures and change doesn't happen in a day. You can push for change but you can't force change. Change is a slow process and when you try to force it, people will push back. Especially when it doesn't feel genuine. Change WILL happen though. Not today, not tomorrow, but it will happen eventually. It just takes time. SJWs don't seem to understand this but trying to force change is not going to speed up the process. It has the exact opposite effect, it's stalling the process. I hope, I really do hope Bloodlines 2 does go the Deus Ex route because I would be willing to give the game a chance but after everything I've seen from these mediums over the past few years when it comes to these issues, I'm just really skeptical that's going to happen. Anyways, that's just my two cents and this is all I'm willing to discuss on the subject. I really don't like participating in these types of conversations because they always turn into shit slinging contests and I have better things to do with my time than take part in that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
McWicked 825 Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 3 hours ago, TLHBO said: Nobody chooses their gender you bigot. WOOSH! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flazeda_warrior 73 Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 omfg "having additional and diversified options in customizing my character is ideology being FORCED on me " Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,227 Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 On 2019-03-22 at 6:51 PM, Team 2019 said: People offended about gender choice, when you choose between like 6 different species of vampire clan. you know its fucking bad when somebody living under the Putin regime is looking at white guys in America and saying "jesus christ, guys, stop whining so much about minorities being included." 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
McWicked 825 Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 hour ago, jehurey said: you know its fucking bad when somebody living under the Putin regime is looking at white guys in America and saying "jesus christ, guys, stop whining so much about minorities being included." It's not even minorities in the traditional sense. If you're a straight white guy with ADHD they prolly have an option for you to include that. We got some seriously fragile snowflakes in this forum. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
102020393023445948594 2,223 Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 absolutely unnecessary to include trannies unless it's as a form of ridicule. If they're included in any positive way it will hamper my enjoyment of the game. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
102020393023445948594 2,223 Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Best game ever 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,227 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 4 hours ago, McWicked said: It's not even minorities in the traditional sense. If you're a straight white guy with ADHD they prolly have an option for you to include that. We got some seriously fragile snowflakes in this forum. "but its not that they have gender options............its that they sent out a promotional message that FORCED THE WOMAN first and it made us believe that we had no choice but to be a woman" "FORCED MARKETING of women!!!! We need to have FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!! The FREEDOM TO RECEIVE MARKETING THAT SHOWS PICTURES OF MEN FIRST BEFORE SHOWING PICTURES OF WOMEN!!" "You have no idea how much persecution we're being subjected to!!!!" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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