[S8 EPISODE 6] Game of Thrones final season thread (dedicated to cubeaholic) OPEN SPOILERS NOW DON'T COME IN IF YOU HAVEN'T WATCHED IT

[Voidler 1,675]

1 hour ago, madmaltese said:

Hate to say it but imo nearly everything in that ep was bad from an execution point of view. Like downright, objectively, horrible writing bad. Look at my posts after each ep, I've said I enjoyed every single one regardless of issues. This one, was so poor I was totally out of it while watching. 

The show just breaks it's own rules over and over again. Rules that were dumb to set to begin with. I'm all for mindless fun but it's still to an extent. This was beyond comic book hero crap.

 

Last ep you set the rule that the Scorpions are DEADLY to dragons. A scorpion killed Rhaegal and he got hit multiple times. 

Now in the very next episode. A single dragon destroys endless amounts of scorpions and ships without a scratch. Not to mention last ep you somehow establish that Dany can't just go head first and destory all those ships becuase of the threat of the scorpions then this ep you do that a million fold.

 

The Dany turn into 'mad queen' was so rushed and poorly executed. They actually had a million opportunities to do it half well, even with these 6 eps but the way they did it was horrific. You can't even argue that it was 'waking the dragon' or Targaryen rage because they literally start the ep with Dany sulking and 'hasn't ate anything' after the events of last ep. Wtf. The turn felt so forced and unnatural. Even just small switching in events could've made things better. Have Rhagael die in THIS battle via scorpion, near when the bells were being rung. Then have actual Targaryen rage and anger. Anger being an uncontrollable reaction to then torch King's Landing. This method of Rheagal death in laughable circumstances which are totally invalidated the next ep then Dany sulking then Dany just deciding to kill all the innocent ppl 'because', simply wasn't natural writing. 

 

Tyrion.... dear lord Tyrion.... You've spent the entire season showing his unconditional loyalty to Dany in adverse to all the obvious things. You then take it to a whole new level this episode when Tyrion is SO LOYAL TO DANY he not only doesn't agree with Varys but betrays Varys, exposes his 'treason' to Dany, witnesses his execution for Treason and THEN, IN THE VERY NEXT SCENE, (after you have just spent all that time establishing 'TYRION IS LOYAL TO DANY'), you have Tyrion commit treason  It's literally laughably bad. I was legit laughing. It's like two polar opposite ppl wrote 2 scenes.

 

Euron...omg Euron. After building him up you have him magically appear at the super secret entrance to the Keep at the second to fight........Jamie... Jamie. LMAO wot. In the most anticlimatic and pointlessly forced fight ever, the absolute 'badass' then fights Jamie who really couldn't give af and actually loses to a one arm Jamie. It was one of the most random, strangest fights I've seen on the show.

 

Now finally, to the worst of all...........Jamie. No death in GoT will be as bad as how badly Jamie's character arc got murdered  You have an arc that is arguably better than Theon's and then with one line last ep actually invalidate seasons worth of progress where Jamie just decides to return to Cersei........because...because that's what he does. He then literally regresses to season 1, ep1 Jamie. So quite literally in the space of 2 episodes, Jamie turns back 7 seasons of a character arc. Again, no one is questioning the endgame. You want Jamie to return to original Jamie is fine. But there is a process the same way there was a process to turn the redemption arc for him. You don't just write a line, flip a switch and now was have S1 E1 Jamie back in S8 E5. It was ridiculous. 

 

On top of that you have newly established bad ass, MVP, best warrior Arya (you set all those rules in ep3) be completely and utterly useless in this battle. Like in any way. In fact, she forces a family to leave hiding for them to literally die the next scene because they left 

 

Thankfully the Hound/Arya moment was excellent.

 

Best moment of the episode: Qyburn's 1 second instant death haha loved it.

 

So yeah as I said previously, they no doubt had the final beats from GRRM after the book material finished but had to fill the gaps themselves and this season has all been plot devices to get to the end which is without a shadow of a doubt, Jon kills Dany. Predicted it prior to this ep but there is zero doubt now. Who sits the Iron Throne I'm not too sure cause I don't think Jon would take it after killing Dany. 

 

Scorpions were deadly in a surprise attack hitting an already injured dragon. They already established in the last episode and the wagon train attack that Drogon is more than capable of evading and destroying them once aware. They can be deadly but they are also slow to reload and manoeuvre 

 

 

Dany has been battling with this since the start of season 7. She has wanted to go in with “fire and blood”, she has committed cold blooded murders just last season. She took counsel from advisors who have either died, betrayed or failed her to control these tendencies. And the hint and threads in her descent go back even further to even when GRRM was writing. 

 

I think having Rhaegal die and trigger the event would have made it a totally different scene. Almost justifiable anger for some. The fact she did this with no real trigger was what made it truly dark

 

I was sad that Tyrion betrayed Varys. Dude flat out saved Tyrion’s life. Tyrion even alludes to repaying that debt to Jaime a few scenes later. What about your other bro, Varys?

 

I think they did butcher Tyrion. Dude is getting flat out dark by the end of ADWD and he certainly isn’t going to be saving his family’s life anytime soon based on his current trajectory

 

Euron is trash tier. The somewhat depressing fact is that book Euron fighting Jamie would have been epic. I’m not convinced they are dead yet though. Small chance we have a “look what I found in the rubble” moment next episode

 

Jamies arc I wanted more from... but it wasn’t out of character. He always returned to Cersei. He had a million reasons to turn on her but always forgave her. As much as he developed through the series, she was always his foil

 

Arya complaints make no sense. I bet you would have complained if she had killed Cersei too. I thought it was a great scene for her, for everything she did against the Night King. She was still an ant in that chaos 

[jehurey 3,230]

The show is based on a novel that, by all accounts, is highly praised for its writing.

 

I've seen shows that have this much complexity packed into every single scene...........most notably The Wire.  That show genuinely FEELS like it has the breadth of a novel, and it takes some serious acting and direction in order to capture that breadth properly within a one-hour show.

 

Its not easy, its pretty damn hard. But I've seen it done before.

[Vini 430]

7 minutes ago, madmaltese said:

You're entering levels of downright stupidity. 'Before his arc even begun'  What dumb shit are you saying. His character arc literally begins in E1 

 

yeah it begins in E1 yet you're going back to when he apparently cared about people when he killed the Mad King and yet had no issues throwing a child out of the window in the first episode of the show

 

You're connecting dots that just don't exist and making things up about characters and then act disappointed when the show doesn't follow your logic.

 

This is evident by you claiming that the NK was anything but a mindless zombie while the show showed no indication otherwise.  

 

Edited May 14, 2019 by Vini

[madmaltese★ 2,555]

Just now, jehurey said:

The show is based on a novel that, by all accounts, is highly praised for its writing.

 

I've seen shows that have this much complexity packed into every single scene...........most notably The Wire.  That show genuinely FEELS like it has the breadth of a novel, and it takes some serious acting and direction in order to capture that breadth properly within a one-hour show.

 

Its not easy, its pretty damn hard. But I've seen it done before.

I mean The Wire is literally the pinnacle of TV writing, most especially in how it subverts expectations while keeping the utmost respect for the rules it lays out.

Also the most perfect example of how a character arc can get 'thrown away' because the environment precedes it in importance. That show is something truly special. S4 especially

[madmaltese★ 2,555]

Just now, Vini said:

yeah it begins in E1 yet you're going back to when he apparently cared about people when he killed the Mad King and yet had no issues throwing a child out of the window in the first episode of the show

 

You're connecting dots that just don't exist and making things up about characters and then act disappointed when the show doesn't follow your logic.

Why do you continually bring up things that are totally irrelevant and go off on ridiculous tangents.

 

The point was of how the mad king story shows how much he cared about the thousands of innocents in KL in polar opposite to his words this ep.

 

The bran shit has nothing to do with anything. He would've killed anyone at that moment for his sister. His sister storyline is a totally different thing. That arc isn't completed till he leaves her to go to Winterfell. 

[Vini 430]

1 minute ago, madmaltese said:

Why do you continually bring up things that are totally irrelevant and go off on ridiculous tangents.

 

 The point was of how the mad king story shows how much he cared about the thousands of innocents in KL in polar opposite to his words this ep.

  

The bran shit has nothing to do with anything. He would've killed anyone at that moment for his sister. His sister storyline is a totally different thing. That arc isn't completed till he leaves her to go to Winterfell. 

And who said the arc completes there? He left to fight for the living against the dead, there was no indication he left to get away from Cersei. He still loved Cersei. 

 

Again reading between the lines that just aren't there. 

[madmaltese★ 2,555]

8 minutes ago, Voidler said:

Scorpions were deadly in a surprise attack hitting an already injured dragon. They already established in the last episode and the wagon train attack that Drogon is more than capable of evading and destroying them once aware. They can be deadly but they are also slow to reload and manoeuvre 

 

 

Dany has been battling with this since the start of season 7. She has wanted to go in with “fire and blood”, she has committed cold blooded murders just last season. She took counsel from advisors who have either died, betrayed or failed her to control these tendencies. And the hint and threads in her descent go back even further to even when GRRM was writing. 

 

I think having Rhaegal die and trigger the event would have made it a totally different scene. Almost justifiable anger for some. The fact she did this with no real trigger was what made it truly dark

 

I was sad that Tyrion betrayed Varys. Dude flat out saved Tyrion’s life. Tyrion even alludes to repaying that debt to Jaime a few scenes later. What about your other bro, Varys?

 

I think they did butcher Tyrion. Dude is getting flat out dark by the end of ADWD and he certainly isn’t going to be saving his family’s life anytime soon based on his current trajectory

 

Euron is trash tier. The somewhat depressing fact is that book Euron fighting Jamie would have been epic. I’m not convinced they are dead yet though. Small chance we have a “look what I found in the rubble” moment next episode

 

Jamies arc I wanted more from... but it wasn’t out of character. He always returned to Cersei. He had a million reasons to turn on her but always forgave her. As much as he developed through the series, she was always his foil

 

Arya complaints make no sense. I bet you would have complained if she had killed Cersei too. I thought it was a great scene for her, for everything she did against the Night King. She was still an ant in that chaos 

So it was smarter to retreat and then take on maybe 10x the amount of scorpions, now fully reloaded then just do what she did today in the last ep after they had literally just killed one of her children and finished firing and been more vulnerable then ever. We are supposed to believe she snaps when everyone is surrendered but doesn't snap in that moment in the previous episode.....right. Makes perfect sense.

 

 

[Remij 4,671]

1 minute ago, madmaltese said:

So it was smarter to retreat and then take on maybe 10x the amount of scorpions, now fully reloaded then just do what she did today in the last ep after they had literally just killed one of her children and finished firing and been more vulnerable then ever. We are supposed to believe she snaps when everyone is surrendered but doesn't snap in that moment in the previous episode.....right. Makes perfect sense.

 

 

Dude, you're just mad because the show doesn't follow your logic. Everything they've done is perfect!  

[madmaltese★ 2,555]

2 minutes ago, Vini said:

And who said the arc completes there? He left to fight for the living against the dead, there was no indication he left to get away from Cersei. He still loved Cersei. 

 

Again reading between the lines that just aren't there. 

No one says he doesn't love Cersei, you continually create a strawman and put words in my mouth. I already said he should've died in her arms together too. But he definitely releases what Cersei is by that stage. Then we have the entire Jamie/Brienne arc and the show makes a very clear decision to give brienne to jamie and not tormund. Also Jamie ain't some ho, he literally has only slept with his sister in this show so it's a big moment when he goes with Brienne. That big arc and moment last minutes. Then he's like nah im just gonna go back now and oh I also never cared about anyone ever. LOL

 

You keep accusing me of reading between the lines when the truth is you just haven't been taking anything in. It's just boom, battle, yay explosions, to you.

[madmaltese★ 2,555]

4 minutes ago, Remij_ said:

Dude, you're just mad because the show doesn't follow your logic. Everything they've done is perfect!  

Can it just follow logic please? Any logic? 

[jehurey 3,230]

Yeah I realize that after the episode. There were about, what, 20 ships out there near the coast?  Were all of them armed with those spear weapons?

 

Because it felt like a Bruce Lee fighting 10 guys scenario. Only one ship is attacking at a time, and the dragon avoids the shot. And they only end up cutting a line through that armada, only destroying like 6-7 ships as they fly into land.

 

WHat happened to those soldiers on the other ships?

[James Skywalker 528]

After seeing Drogon at King’s Landing - you should never fuck with dragons.

[Vini 430]

Rewatching the episode and seeing Cersei's reaction to Dany burning the king's landing I think Cersei added to the incentive for Dany. Dany wanted Cersei to see what she's capable of "Cersei thinks she's uncompromising? I'll fuckin show her" type shit

 

Edited May 14, 2019 by Vini

[Vini 430]

2 hours ago, madmaltese said:

No one says he doesn't love Cersei, you continually create a strawman and put words in my mouth. I already said he should've died in her arms together too. But he definitely releases what Cersei is by that stage. Then we have the entire Jamie/Brienne arc and the show makes a very clear decision to give brienne to jamie and not tormund. Also Jamie ain't some ho, he literally has only slept with his sister in this show so it's a big moment when he goes with Brienne. That big arc and moment last minutes. Then he's like nah im just gonna go back now and oh I also never cared about anyone ever. LOL

 

You keep accusing me of reading between the lines when the truth is you just haven't been taking anything in. It's just boom, battle, yay explosions, to you.

Dude you just said the character's whole arc is ruined because of one line of dialogue, I can't strawman a strawman. 

 

Theon's arc made sense for Theon because Theon was a bitch ass emotional rollercoaster the whole show so his bravery was transformational. I don't expect same A to B transition with every character, that would be too simplistic and formulaic. I expect some characters to transform and others to have a cyclical fate. Jamie came back home to die with Cersei but he still had a great journey on his way that humbled him in many ways. That's enough for a character like Jaime. To me Dany's arc is the most impressive in the show, her descent into madness was awesome I'm way more into her as a character now even though she's a piece of shit and I want her to die. I expect Tyrion's arc will be somewhat cyclical as well, maybe at the end he'll find himself fucked off somewhere drunk all day chasing hookers and sick of the politics. 

 

Edited May 14, 2019 by Vini

[-GD-X★ 7,731]

10 hours ago, DynamiteCop! said:

"You will never walk again, Bran."

 

You couldn't ask for a better person to sit on the Iron Throne than a paraplegic.

 

I died

[-GD-X★ 7,731]

https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/game-of-thrones-the-bells-reviews-episode-tanks-with-series-lowest-tomatometer-score/

 

yikes. Worst reviewed episode ever.

[Ike★ 2,906]

https://www.businessinsider.com/game-of-thrones-creators-bad-writers-on-google-search-2019-5

 

Angry 'Game of Thrones' fans 'Google-bombed' the show's creators so that their photo now shows up when you search for 'bad writers'

 

[James Skywalker 528]

19 hours ago, Optimus Jim said:

I had a dream that Arya gets killed by getting stabbed. Let's see if my dream comes true.

I just had another dream. Kit Harrington and Emilia Clarke we’re in a hot tub and I told them about my dream about Arya getting stabbed and asked Emilia if it was true. She said yes. Lol

Edited May 14, 2019 by Optimus Jim

[Vini 430]

1 hour ago, Ike said:

https://www.businessinsider.com/game-of-thrones-creators-bad-writers-on-google-search-2019-5

 

Angry 'Game of Thrones' fans 'Google-bombed' the show's creators so that their photo now shows up when you search for 'bad writers'

 

So stupid

 

These nerds

[TLHBO 2,162]

18 hours ago, madmaltese said:

Hate to say it but imo nearly everything in that ep was bad from an execution point of view. Like downright, objectively, horrible writing bad. Look at my posts after each ep, I've said I enjoyed every single one regardless of issues. This one, was so poor I was totally out of it while watching. 

The show just breaks it's own rules over and over again. Rules that were dumb to set to begin with. I'm all for mindless fun but it's still to an extent. This was beyond comic book hero crap.

 

Last ep you set the rule that the Scorpions are DEADLY to dragons. A scorpion killed Rhaegal and he got hit multiple times. 

Now in the very next episode. A single dragon destroys endless amounts of scorpions and ships without a scratch. Not to mention last ep you somehow establish that Dany can't just go head first and destory all those ships becuase of the threat of the scorpions then this ep you do that a million fold.

 

The Dany turn into 'mad queen' was so rushed and poorly executed. They actually had a million opportunities to do it half well, even with these 6 eps but the way they did it was horrific. You can't even argue that it was 'waking the dragon' or Targaryen rage because they literally start the ep with Dany sulking and 'hasn't ate anything' after the events of last ep. Wtf. The turn felt so forced and unnatural. Even just small switching in events could've made things better. Have Rhagael die in THIS battle via scorpion, near when the bells were being rung. Then have actual Targaryen rage and anger. Anger being an uncontrollable reaction to then torch King's Landing. This method of Rheagal death in laughable circumstances which are totally invalidated the next ep then Dany sulking then Dany just deciding to kill all the innocent ppl 'because', simply wasn't natural writing. 

 

Tyrion.... dear lord Tyrion.... You've spent the entire season showing his unconditional loyalty to Dany in adverse to all the obvious things. You then take it to a whole new level this episode when Tyrion is SO LOYAL TO DANY he not only doesn't agree with Varys but betrays Varys, exposes his 'treason' to Dany, witnesses his execution for Treason and THEN, IN THE VERY NEXT SCENE, (after you have just spent all that time establishing 'TYRION IS LOYAL TO DANY'), you have Tyrion commit treason  It's literally laughably bad. I was legit laughing. It's like two polar opposite ppl wrote 2 scenes.

 

Euron...omg Euron. After building him up you have him magically appear at the super secret entrance to the Keep at the second to fight........Jamie... Jamie. LMAO wot. In the most anticlimatic and pointlessly forced fight ever, the absolute 'badass' then fights Jamie who really couldn't give af and actually loses to a one arm Jamie. It was one of the most random, strangest fights I've seen on the show.

 

Now finally, to the worst of all...........Jamie. No death in GoT will be as bad as how badly Jamie's character arc got murdered  You have an arc that is arguably better than Theon's and then with one line last ep actually invalidate seasons worth of progress where Jamie just decides to return to Cersei........because...because that's what he does. He then literally regresses to season 1, ep1 Jamie. So quite literally in the space of 2 episodes, Jamie turns back 7 seasons of a character arc. Again, no one is questioning the endgame. You want Jamie to return to original Jamie is fine. But there is a process the same way there was a process to turn the redemption arc for him. You don't just write a line, flip a switch and now was have S1 E1 Jamie back in S8 E5. It was ridiculous. 

 

On top of that you have newly established bad ass, MVP, best warrior Arya (you set all those rules in ep3) be completely and utterly useless in this battle. Like in any way. In fact, she forces a family to leave hiding for them to literally die the next scene because they left 

 

Thankfully the Hound/Arya moment was excellent.

 

Best moment of the episode: Qyburn's 1 second instant death haha loved it.

 

So yeah as I said previously, they no doubt had the final beats from GRRM after the book material finished but had to fill the gaps themselves and this season has all been plot devices to get to the end which is without a shadow of a doubt, Jon kills Dany. Predicted it prior to this ep but there is zero doubt now. Who sits the Iron Throne I'm not too sure cause I don't think Jon would take it after killing Dany. 

 

I agree.

 

The other week they hit a dragon with pinpoint accuracy and take it down, then thousands of shots after in that episode and this all miss. They try to make out that their army is weakened and it's going to be a close fight yet one dragon literally takes out their entire army almost single handed. I get that it's typical of most shows/movies but still it was a bit daft. Especially when the dragon's choice of attack is to divebomb head first into an entire fleet armed with the harpoons  very tactical.

 

Deneyres too, that turn felt very rushed. The series felt so slow at the mid point and now everything is just lightening fast. I get that needed the characters to be where they are but it just doesn't feel right 

 

The rest I'm not too fussed about but those two really stood out.