Looks like the next Xbox is gonna beat up ps5

[JonDnD 2,606]

The PS5 hardware details (so far) were exactly what we were hoping for; even beyond what many were expecting.

Multiple insiders have now confirmed it’s true Xbox “Anaconda” will be more advanced as rumored.

All this means is next year is going to be AMAZING for fans of both.

[James Skywalker 528]

ExBox exterminated the other teams.

[DynamiteCop 2,085]

I think this was pretty much expected, they know they have to come in hot.

 

The current rumor circulating is that Microsoft is using the Arcturus architecture which is AMD's next-generation high-end GPU technology following Navi. 

Edited April 19, 2019 by Nya`

[-GD-X★ 7,728]

Both will probably pretty similar. 

[madmaltese★ 2,548]

Wasn't this always known? It hopefully shouldn't even be close given I'm sure anaconda will be at least $100 if not more at launch. 

Now way Sony's base and probably only sku was ever going to be as powerful as the Xbox premium/high end model. 

[DynamiteCop 2,085]

5 minutes ago, -GD- said:

Both will probably pretty similar. 

Depends on the GPU architecture, if it's Arcturus the rest of the system may be pretty similar but the GPU side of things probably wouldn't be. Sony could already be finalized, hell they probably are. Microsoft may be doing a later build and squeezing in before the end of the year. 

 

Edited April 19, 2019 by Nya`

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5 minutes ago, Nya` said:

Depends on the GPU architecture, if it's Arcturus the rest of the system may be pretty similar but the GPU side of things probably wouldn't be. Sony could already be finalized, hell they probably are. Microsoft may be doing a later build and squeezing in before the end of the year. 

 

Eh, there were all kinds of rumors about the xbone being this beast, and yet the PS4 was more powerful. I’m quite certain they will be comparable. 

Edited April 19, 2019 by -GD-

[DynamiteCop 2,085]

1 minute ago, -GD- said:

Eh, there were all kinds of rumors about the xbone being this beast, and the PS4 was more powerful. I’m quite certain they will be comparable. 

Yeah but Kinect was involved, they didn't have a fire lit under their ass, they got complacent with the Xbox 360's success etc. This is a very different Xbox going into a new generation, they no doubt aim to shock and awe. 

Edited April 19, 2019 by Nya`

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Just now, Nya` said:

Yeah but Kinect was involved, they didn't have a fire lit under their ass, they got complacent with the Xbox 360's success etc. This is a very different Xbox going into a new generation, they no doubt aim to shock and awe. 

Eh. You are giving MS too much credit. They will be similar. Book it. 

[jehurey 3,222]

Maybe they're allowed to design a higher spec sku, but they're not going to sell it at a huge loss. It'll be over $500.

 

Their reasoning will be "well, if there are casuals, our cheaper options will be made for them, and we'll design a very niche high-end sku in which only a handful of millions would ever buy, but it gives up bragging rights."

 

Would not surprise me if Sony delivers a product that delivers a better power-to-dollar ratio.

 

Microsoft is not trying to win the next-gen with their high-end model. They are trying to get into homes with their cheaper model and streaming.

 

And if the rumors are true about how they strategically planned for some major software releases for the new console, then Sony will still be the lead console at the beginning of the gen, and that will set the standard for the multiplats.

[lynux3 2,043]

20 minutes ago, madmaltese said:

Wasn't this always known?

Just wet dreams. No one really knows anything.

[DynamiteCop 2,085]

2 minutes ago, jehurey said:

Maybe they're allowed to design a higher spec sku, but they're not going to sell it at a huge loss. It'll be over $500.

 

Their reasoning will be "well, if there are casuals, our cheaper options will be made for them, and we'll design a very niche high-end sku in which only a handful of millions would ever buy, but it gives up bragging rights."

 

Would not surprise me if Sony delivers a product that delivers a better power-to-dollar ratio.

 

Microsoft is not trying to win the next-gen with their high-end model. They are trying to get into homes with their cheaper model and streaming.

 

And if the rumors are true about how they strategically planned for some major software releases for the new console, then Sony will still be the lead console at the beginning of the gen, and that will set the standard for the multiplats.

It's not necessarily about what they're allowed to do, it's more about time table. Sony sounds to be pretty solidified and committed in their design, so much so that a Spring 2020 release does seem a lot more possible than anything now. If Microsoft holds out for a fall release that could afford them the ability to have a more advanced GPU of an even newer architecture by simply waiting for its availability. They're in with AMD just like Sony is so they're obviously still designing the system in cooperation with them, with that in mind they could be on the ground floor for something like Arcturus but it would have to come at a later date. 

 

Shit, they could possibly pivot to being the only device that has it even before the consumer hardware hits for PC's similar to what happened with the Xbox 360. 

[jehurey 3,222]

8 minutes ago, Nya` said:

It's not necessarily about what they're allowed to do, it's more about time table. Sony sounds to be pretty solidified and committed in their design, so much so that a Spring 2020 release does seem a lot more possible than anything now. If Microsoft holds out for a fall release that could afford them the ability to have a more advanced GPU of an even newer architecture by simply waiting for its availability. They're in with AMD just like Sony is so they're obviously still designing the system in cooperation with them, with that in mind they could be on the ground floor for something like Arcturus but it would have to come at a later date. 

 

Shit, they could possibly pivot to being the only device that has it even before the consumer hardware hits for PC's similar to what happened with the Xbox 360. 

Doubtful. At this point, Microsoft has very few strategies that have a history in helping them against Sony.

 

The only strategy that has ever historically worked is............................release first.  That's really it, there's not much else that Microsoft has done that has put them in the lead position other than the one time they released first.

 

And, we actually have RECENT PRECEDENT that the "slightly higher spec" strategy is not going to achieve anything. The multiplat developers will settle on the "lead spec" and develop for that.

 

And Microsoft may actually make their situation worse if the 4TFLOP model is real. Because if you a multiplat developer, you KNOW that model is going to be mainstream one, so you are going to assign priority over that than the super high-end Xbox model.

 

The sales fight is going to be between the 12 TFLOP PS5 and the 4TFLOP 1080p Xbox.  This puts the super-high-end sku as potential 3rd priority.

[Goukosan 2,249]

Xbox1 was also rumored to be stronger than PS4 with it's unlimited power of the cloud 

[DynamiteCop 2,085]

1 minute ago, jehurey said:

Doubtful. At this point, Microsoft has very few strategies that have a history in helping them against Sony.

 

The only strategy that has ever historically worked is............................release first.  That's really it, there's not much else that Microsoft has done that has put them in the lead position other than the one time they released first.

 

And, we actually have RECENT PRECEDENT that the "slightly higher spec" strategy is not going to achieve anything. The multiplat developers will settle on the "lead spec" and develop for that.

 

And Microsoft may actually make their situation worse if the 4TFLOP model is real. Because if you a multiplat developer, you KNOW that model is going to be mainstream one, so you are going to assign priority over that than the super high-end Xbox model.

 

The sales fight is going to be between the 12 TFLOP PS5 and the 4TFLOP 1080p Xbox.  This puts the super-high-end sku as potential 3rd priority.

That's not precedent because it exists within the confines of this generation for a platform that was already viewed as middling. Next-gen is a fresh start and first impressions are basically everything regardless if you go first, second or at the same time. 

 

In terms of a lower spec and high spec system it likely wouldn't work how you're thinking, the design would clearly be meant to scale linearly. Every aspect of the system in parity with the exception of most likely total RAM and GPU compute. Also the development kit would be based around the higher end system which would have better specification similarity with Sony's system so there wouldn't be any incongruity. Build once, scale resolution per system and optimize, boom, bam thank you maam. 

[JonDnD 2,606]

12 minutes ago, Goukosan said:

Xbox1 was also rumored to be stronger than PS4 with it's unlimited power of the cloud 

Ditch was rumored to be as powerful as xbox 1 LOL

[jehurey 3,222]

8 minutes ago, Nya` said:

That's not precedent because it exists within the confines of this generation for a platform that was already viewed as middling. Next-gen is a fresh start and first impressions are basically everything regardless if you go first, second or at the same time. 

 

In terms of a lower spec and high spec system it likely wouldn't work how you're thinking, the design would clearly be meant to scale linearly. Every aspect of the system in parity with the exception of most likely total RAM and GPU compute. Also the development kit would be based around the higher end system which would have better specification similarity with Sony's system so there wouldn't be any incongruity. Build once, scale resolution per system and optimize, boom, bam thank you maam. 

Next-gen isn't really seen as a "fresh start"

 

Playstation has the inherent advantage as being the OVERWHELMING market leader. This isn't like a new generation starting after a previous generation where somebody won 60% to 40%

 

This is a new generation starting after a complete blowout. There's alot of people who have active PSN accounts, they may still have paid PS+ memberships by the time PS5 rolls around...........they may have a whole bunch of free PS+ games that they want to keep (and the PS5 will play because its backwards compatible).

 

There's people who may still be buying PSVR or collecting VR, and the news that PS5 accepts PSVR and will continue getting more games may be the type of transitional bridge product that ensures that those people enter the next gen as Playstation users.

 

You seem to think that customers approach new video game products in some sort of vacuum. That's almost never been the case. To the majority of people whatever the Xbox does, its not going to look significantly different than the PS5. And you know that.

 

What people will notice, however, is if Sony reminds them what games are exclusive, and any major announcements should they get other exclusives.

[102020393023445948594 2,223]

Always bet against X

 

Sony more powerful again, bank on it

[Remij 4,667]

I still maintain that no matter if MS develops something more powerful or not, it's not going to be able to do anything the PS5 wont be able to do from a computational standpoint.  The CPU will almost certainly be comparable between them, and MS' machine will not be so far advanced that it would make developers consider focusing special treatment to it.

 

The absolute best play for MS is to yes, be more powerful, but they need to have better features and "special sauce" type shit to differentiate the console.

 

Sony's little announcement of PS5's super fast storage is the type of thing I'm talking about.  Minimal load times (and who knows what other kinds of features that bandwidth technology might provide) is a great selling feature for a console... especially if one has it and the other one doesn't.  It seems they will be able to load PS4 BC games completely into memory and have load times which are almost non existent.  Maybe that bandwidth will improve features which they plan to add to the Dash and allow things never possible before on console. 

 

That's what I find most exciting about the PS5 info so far.  The SSD, which is presumably connected via PCIe4.0 or possibly even 5.0, combined with an extremely powerful CPU, will allow for truly seamless gameplay and next gen worlds/environments never before possible.  I know I sound like a broken record, but this new CPU baseline, plus Navi's assured 'mesh shader' equivalent is going to allow for stupidly rich worlds with way more objects populating them.

 

MS is assuredly going with an SSD as well, and thus the baseline will be established.  The best thing, is that games will actually be properly coded for 8 cores (16 threads) which means that were really going to start seeing our CPUs being pushed properly.  4 core CPUs are going to have a hard time with future high end games.. so people WILL be forced to upgrade. 

 

Ryzen 3000 is coming in the summer.. as well as PCIe4.0 motherboards.  It's actually fucking exciting.. because the baseline is about to get another bump up.  I can't wait to see what MS has cooking at E3.  7 more weeks  

[Voidler 1,675]

Remember when lemmings were convinced Xbox One would be Moreno powerful than PS4? And Sony came and smacked them around