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2 hours ago, jehurey said:

Explain to me how those taxes are not wealth distribution............I'll wait.

 

Gee..............which class of Americans are going to be the ones subject to the Financial Transaction Tax?

 

"Economic Growth"?????????  Oh my god, that is every bit as embarrassing as the Republican budget calculations that they expect their tax cuts to create more tax revenue because of "anticipated economic growth" from the result of cutting taxes for corporations.

 

That's embarrassing coming from a supposed Democrat. Do you understand that the more in detail that you go into Yang's policy proposals, the easier its getting for me to tear it apart?

You haven't even attempted to tear it apart you have no clue what you're talking about. 

 

Financial transaction tax in his plan is strictly on wall street market speculation. 

 

https://www.yang2020.com/policies/financial-transaction-tax/

 

Jesus Christ you could've at least skimmed that. Yang doesn't have class based taxes. He wants to tax Wall Street and Silicon Valley exclusively. 

 

And the economic growth is how much money goes straight back into spending based on data gathered from UBI in Alaska and some quasi UBI European experiments.  It's not magical growth it's just if you give people $1000 a month about $300 of that will go towards new TVs and sneakers. 

 

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15 hours ago, Vini said:

You haven't even attempted to tear it apart you have no clue what you're talking about. 

 

Financial transaction tax in his plan is strictly on wall street market speculation. 

 

https://www.yang2020.com/policies/financial-transaction-tax/

 

Jesus Christ you could've at least skimmed that. Yang doesn't have class based taxes. He wants to tax Wall Street and Silicon Valley exclusively. 

 

And the economic growth is how much money goes straight back into spending based on data gathered from UBI in Alaska and some quasi UBI European experiments.  It's not magical growth it's just if you give people $1000 a month about $300 of that will go towards new TVs and sneakers. 

 

Which means its wealth distribution from the richest to the poor.

 

Why do you think I typed the sentence " Gee..............which class of Americans are going to be the ones subject to the Financial Transaction Tax?"

 

You just said that Yang was not doing wealth distribution like those "extreme liberals"........I just proved you wrong, and you just confirmed it. The financial transaction tax is one that is clearly aimed at the highest class..............don't try to play stupid.

 

And your economic growth talking point is embarrassing.........you're pretty much ASSUMING something that will happen that hasn't happen, and taking the HYPOTHETICAL tax revenue as a source of funding.

 

That's some Enron accounting shit. The Republicans did the same exact thing by saying their TAX CUTS (which is pretty much GIVING MONEY TO A GROUP OF PEOPLE aka CORPORATIONS) would result in increased tax revenue.

 

That didn't happen, the incoming tax receipts come in way under, and the annual debt grew. Its embarrassing that Yang's campaign is attempting the same type of theoretical accounting.

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Did you just say a tax on wall street speculation is equivalent to a rich to poor transfer?

 

I'm not reading past that 

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5 minutes ago, Vini said:

Did you just say a tax on wall street speculation is equivalent to a rich to poor transfer?

 

I'm not reading past that 

Which class of people are primarily in the business of wall street speculation?

 

Poor people?

 

Middle-class people?

 

You tell me.

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Are you trying to say all speculators are rich therefore a tax on speculators equals socialism? I'm just trying to figure out these acrobatics lmao

 

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17 minutes ago, Vini said:

Are you trying to say all speculators are rich therefore a tax on speculators equals socialism? I'm just trying to figure out these acrobatics lmao

 

I'm asking you a simple question.

 

What class of people predominantly engage in Wall Street Speculation.

 

If you avoid answering this........then we know you just lost that argument.

 

YOU SAID that "rich to poor distribution" is "dumb socialism".........and a "relic"

 

Let's double check:

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Not dumb socialism like rich to poor redistribution or welfare.

Yup.

 

So answer the question:

 

What class of people predominantly engage in Wall Street Speculation?

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It's going to be fun to see the shakeup on these polls throughout the months.

 

Remember when Jeb Bush was the top polling Republican candidate for a bit?

 

 

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15 hours ago, jehurey said:

I'm asking you a simple question.

 

What class of people predominantly engage in Wall Street Speculation.

 

If you avoid answering this........then we know you just lost that argument.

 

YOU SAID that "rich to poor distribution" is "dumb socialism".........and a "relic"

 

Let's double check:

Yup.

 

So answer the question:

 

What class of people predominantly engage in Wall Street Speculation?

Typical Jerry here's a straw man now argue it

 

There's nothing wrong with rich to poor transfer when its also a punishment to deter bad anti consumer behavior like speculation

 

I'm against systemic rich to poor transfer which is what socialism is. 

 

Also not all speculators are in the same class Jerry :D. There's plenty of broke ass shitty ones who will still get punished for this behavior. 

 

 

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5 hours ago, Goukosan said:

@Vini you're not voting for Trump in 2020...what happened?  I thought you liked that guy?

 

Did something change? :bena:

We'll see who the nominee is

 

There's a good chance Trump will get my vote unless its Yang, Warren, Sanders or Buttigieg

 

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35 minutes ago, Vini said:

We'll see who the nominee is

 

There's a good chance Trump will get my vote unless its Yang, Warren, Sanders or Buttigieg

 

:rofls:

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2 hours ago, Vini said:

Typical Jerry here's a straw man now argue it

 

There's nothing wrong with rich to poor transfer when its also a punishment to deter bad anti consumer behavior like speculation

 

I'm against systemic rich to poor transfer which is what socialism is. 

 

Also not all speculators are in the same class Jerry :D. There's plenty of broke ass shitty ones who will still get punished for this behavior. 

 

 

 

Who is the one who was mocking "rich to poor distribution"

 

Was me is?

 

Or was it you?

 

Let's take a look at your post again:

On 2019-06-15 at 8:37 PM, Vini said:

Not dumb socialism like rich to poor redistribution or welfare.

 

Don't want to take responsibility for the words you type? Not my fault you look like a dumbass who doesn't know what he's talking about.........and then PRETEND he never said such a thing.

 

And now you're trying to insinuate that Wall Street Speculation is PREDOMINANTLY done by lower-class people?

 

I didn't say any particular class was 100% doing all of it.........I said which class of people is PREDOMINANTLY doing it.

 

And now you're saying you are not for "systemic" rich to poor socialism..........I'm pretty sure that taxing the CORE BUSINESS of Wall Street is taxing their very SYSTEM of income revenue. That seems pretty damn systemic if you ask me. And its specifically designed for one particular class of Americans. And which class of Americans would that be, again, Vini?

 

Fourth time that's being asked............do you have enough personal integrity to answer it?

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4 minutes ago, Vini said:

:D

 

These clowns

Vini actually running away from his own thread. LOL

 

Gouko got him to admit that he'd vote for Trump in under 4 posts, that's gotta be a record.

 

The whole "I'm purposely trying to find a hip candidate (that I already know won't win) so that I can act outrage when he loses and pretend that 'DA SYSTEM' is all corrupt.........and I just end up voting for Trump" routine....................is sooooooo predictable.

 

Its like classic shit you see out of male sophomore college students., which is embarrassing if you are over 22 and still doing this routine.

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Got me to admit? Lmao I've been saying the same shit for 3 years. I support Trump. And just like I said 3 years ago, any outrage from people like you two is automatically irrelevant until you admit to and start reversing the horrible ultra progressive envirinment you created that made him electable in the first place. @ ing every time Trump stays something ridiculous lmao the petty I told you so high horse act is hilarious.  

 

Unfortunately for you simple minded SJWs I'm not part of Trump's stupid ass cult of personanality base. AKA your counterparts on the opposite side of the isle. If you think those are gonna be his only supporters in 2020 especially with a shitty Dem candidate you're even deeper in the bubble than the last election cycle. As for your latest cause of outrage Trump's totalitarian inclinations have been nerfed to the point of harmlessness even before he took office. And I'll say this again for the thousandth time since you don't seem to get it

 

I. Don't. Care. What. He. says.

 

I've haven't listened to Trump talk for more than 5 minutes since he got elected. His thoughtful coherency and moral guidence are not why I support him. 

 

By the way just so you two know I don't look at my notifications on this site. Don't mistake my indifference for consession. Go play out your La Résistance fantasy elsewhere.

 

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2 hours ago, Vini said:

Got me to admit? Lmao I've been saying the same shit for 3 years. I support Trump. And just like I said 3 years ago, any outrage from people like you two is automatically irrelevant until you admit to and start reversing the horrible ultra progressive envirinment you created that made him electable in the first place. @ ing every time Trump stays something ridiculous lmao the petty I told you so high horse act is hilarious.  

 

Unfortunately for you simple minded SJWs I'm not part of Trump's stupid ass cult of personanality base. AKA your counterparts on the opposite side of the isle. If you think those are gonna be his only supporters in 2020 especially with a shitty Dem candidate you're even deeper in the bubble than the last election cycle. As for your latest cause of outrage Trump's totalitarian inclinations have been nerfed to the point of harmlessness even before he took office. And I'll say this again for the thousandth time since you don't seem to get it

 

I. Don't. Care. What. He. says.

 

I've haven't listened to Trump talk for more than 5 minutes since he got elected. His thoughtful coherency and moral guidence are not why I support him. 

 

By the way just so you two know I don't look at my notifications on this site. Don't mistake my indifference for consession. Go play out your La Résistance fantasy elsewhere.

 

"I'm not part of Trump's cult.................I just hate SJWs and vote for Trump because of trolling"

 

...............I don't think.............you know.............how this whole Trump cult thing works.:tom:

 

You're not part of the cult.......you're just a useful idiot for them. That sounds much better.

 

We have 19,000 immigrants in camps, with more and more reports of children dying in them.

We are on the brink of a tariff war.

We are on the brink of a new war in the middle east.

 

......."Trump's totalitarian inclinations have been nerfed to the point of harmlessness."

 

You're just not smart or capable enough to pull off the mental gymnastics with that post.

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7 hours ago, jehurey said:

 

You're just not smart or capable enough to pull off the mental gymnastics with that post.

 

You mean kinda like the mental gymnastics required to classify Yang's UBI as a rich to poor transfer of money? 

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1 hour ago, Vini said:

 

You mean kinda like the mental gymnastics required to classify Yang's UBI as a rich to poor transfer of money? 

No, because that was actually very linear when breaking that down.

 

How is it funded?  Taxes on Wall Street Speculation.

 

Or really, is that tax fairly common across all types of Americans, or does it appear design to tax one class predominantly more than the other?

 

[Vini runs away]

 

There was no gymnastic there.  Also me questioning "theoretical economic growth" wasn't an act of mental gymnastic.........seeing as though I'm not the one posting the THEORY.

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On 2019-06-17 at 4:21 PM, Vini said:

We'll see who the nominee is

 

There's a good chance Trump will get my vote unless its Yang, Warren, Sanders or Buttigieg

 

No Gabbard? Cooke is beside himself.

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1 hour ago, Hot Sauce said:

No Gabbard? Cooke is beside himself.

I wouldn't mind her either. 

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