Xbox Scarlett may be a GPU generation ahead of PlayStation 5

[JonDnD 2,617]

Lmao ps5 is a dated flop 

[DynamiteCop 2,085]

4 minutes ago, Team 2019 said:

Yes this clearly means the PS5 will be based on an RDNA hybrid. Makes perfect sense. This is XBox One launch level PTSD damage control.

Navi 7nm is an RDNA hybrid, Navi 7nm+ is not.

 

You just don't like the idea of your theories of everything being bascially the same is going up in flames.

 

[Playstation Tablet 1,725]

It's called reaching for a reason. Only because MS didnt mention the number of CPU cores can we assume it's got 6 or 12 CPU cores? Or because Sony didn't mention memory type we can assume it HBM? Of course not. It's all nonsense.

 

 

[DynamiteCop 2,085]

1 minute ago, Team 2019 said:

It's called reaching for a reason. Only because MS didnt mention the number of CPU cores can we assume it's got 6 or 12 CPU cores? Or because Sony didn't mention memory type we can assume it HBM? Of course not. It's all nonsense.

 

 

Sony did mention RT though and talked about it only to discuss audio... audio.... You don't find it odd that they talked about audio in relation to RT instead of rendering? That they didn't say anything about hardware acceleration?

 

Microsoft talked directly about hardware acceleration and ray traced their logo for the reveal of their system which is a direct nod to graphics rendering. 

[Playstation Tablet 1,725]

Just now, DynamiteCop! said:

Sony did mention RT though and talked about it only to discuss audio... audio.... You don't find it odd that they talked about audio in relation to RT instead of rendering? That they didn't say anything about hardware acceleration?

 

Microsoft talked directly about hardware acceleration and ray traced their logo for the reveal of their system which is a direct nod to graphics rendering. 

Sony didn't talk about anything. They had an interview with what seemed like a tech illiterate journalist that later just wrote an article after his talk with Cerny, and was mostly impressed by the Spiderman load time demo.

[DynamiteCop 2,085]

4 minutes ago, Team 2019 said:

Sony didn't talk about anything. They had an interview with what seemed like a tech illiterate journalist that later just wrote an article after his talk with Cerny, and was mostly impressed by the Spiderman load time demo.

They talked about 3D audio via Ray Tracing, made no mention of rendering. 

 

 

[Playstation Tablet 1,725]

The real question we should be asking is who spent more on the bigger APU that's assuming they aren't almost identical in size, how much ram and what bandwidth do they have, and more importantly who is spending more money assuming they are the same price. The one who spends more wins. The end. Simple as that. Everything else is just make belief.

[DynamiteCop 2,085]

4 minutes ago, Team 2019 said:

The real question we should be asking is who spent more on the bigger APU that's assuming they aren't almost identical in size, how much ram and what bandwidth do they have, and more importantly who is spending more money assuming they are the same price. The one who spends more wins. The end. Simple as that. Everything else is just make belief.

Xbox is throwing money around everywhere, and I'm assuming they have more of it as the division only has one person standing in their way. 

 

With the way they're developing and spending I wouldn't be shocked if they've dumped more into their design. 

 

P.S. They formed another studio just yesterday, that's 16 studios now. 

Edited June 16, 2019 by DynamiteCop!

[Playstation Tablet 1,725]

3 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said:

Xbox is throwing money around everywhere, and I'm assuming they have more of it as the division only has one person standing in their way. 

 

With the way they're developing and spending I wouldn't be shocked if they've dumped more into their design. 

 

P.S. They formed another studio just yesterday, that's 16 studios now. 

If MS spends more. They win. They spent less. They lose. Unless there is a curve ball like the HBM and DDR rumour. But I don't believe it since MS aren't morons and choose GDDR6 for a reason, so it's safe to assume Sony probably did the same.

 

It's possible one is taking a lose of say 40 bucks while the other is breaking even or even making a profit. That's what will make the final call, since they are both operating on projected BOMs, and they could have differing projections. It will all come down to money spent. The secret sauces of both will basically amount to nothing, since customisation isn't even a good thing since it increases production costs if it varies greatly from the base AMD provides, and AMD knows better than either Sony or MS.

[DynamiteCop 2,085]

Just now, Team 2019 said:

If MS spends more. They win. They spent less. They lose. Unless there is a curve ball like the HBM and DDR rumour. But I don't believe it since MS aren't morons and choose GDDR6 for a reason, so it's safe to assume Sony probably did the same.

 

It's possible one is taking a lose of say 40 bucks while the other is breaking even or even making a profit. That's what will make the final call, since they are both operating on projected BOMs, and they could have differing projections. It will all come down to money spent. The secret sauces of both will basically amount to nothing, since customisation isn't even a good thing since it increases production costs if it varies greatly from the base AMD provides, and AMD knows better than either Sony or MS.

I agree with everything but the underlined. 

 

The underlined and customization is why the Xbox One X is netting an 80%~ rendering disparity with the Pro even though there's a 43% GPU divergence. It's why their CPU has IPC advantages not seen in the Pro's proprietary CPU. It's why they're able to push 326 Gb/s of bandwidth with the same GDDR5 6800 versus Sony's 218 Gb/s. Customization is why it uses less power even though its hardware demands are greater, why it's able to be smaller, runs cooler and why it's quieter.

 

Customization is everything. 

[Playstation Tablet 1,725]

The X didn't have any magical customisations. It had a huge memory bandwidth advantage and 3.5 gigs of RAM advantage that gave the result. This secret customisation shit needs to die. PS4 had customisations over the One, and it performed exactly like the raw numbers showed, no magical customisation results hyped by Cerny.

[DynamiteCop 2,085]

7 minutes ago, Team 2019 said:

The X didn't have any magical customisations. It had a huge memory bandwidth advantage and 3.5 gigs of RAM advantage that gave the result. This secret customisation shit needs to die. PS4 had customisations over the One, and it performed exactly like the raw numbers showed, no magical customisation results hyped by Cerny.

But it did, and it's not secret.

 

 

Edited June 16, 2019 by DynamiteCop!

[lynux3 2,067]

Look at the sources.

[Playstation Tablet 1,725]

If Scarlett or PS5 gets something like a 10 percent raw numbers win, the other side can hype all the customisation it wants and it won't match the other.

 

[DynamiteCop 2,085]

4 minutes ago, lynux3 said:

Look at the sources.

The sources don't matter because it's not about who it's coming from, they're not leaking anything, they simply made and presented the connections from what is presently out there. 

[DynamiteCop 2,085]

Just now, Team 2019 said:

If Scarlett or PS5 gets something like a 10 percent raw numbers win, the other side can hype all the customisation it wants and it won't match the other.

 

And if one has hardware accelerated RT while the other does not it will result in dramatically different rendering results. 

[Playstation Tablet 1,725]

8 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said:

And if one has hardware accelerated RT while the other does not it will result in dramatically different rendering results. 

And why would be the case when the ND lightning artist said hardware accelerated, and it was confirmed by Resetera mods. Even Cerny's mention of RT was implying hardware it seems.. It's just not happening. They are both baking in future RT acceleration. Now the question of price and loss is much more relevant, but it doesn't sound as appealing as a tinfoil hat conspiracy of secret sauces on both sides. When specs come out, you can expect a lot of this non sense.

Edited June 16, 2019 by Team 2019

[Playstation Tablet 1,725]

Even the talk of potential loses on hardware have pure fanboy spins.

 

The reality is both want the win without losing money on hardware. Simple as that.

 

Then people go into imaginary retard mode justifying their biases. Like MS is willing to lose more because they need the win. Then you got people arguing consoles are more a side thing and not going to lose. Or the mythical trillion dollar war chest, when XBox is actually a separate division with its own separate budget etc.

 

Then you got the Sony side arguing Sony makes a shit ton of money from PSN so they can take a lose that's big for their main division. But then business reality sets in, and there are no reasons to take a lose if it can be avoided etc etc.

 

 

[The Mother Fucker 26]

Scarlett is a scarlet letter to noobs who rather bend over for M$ and pay monthly fees, than just game on a real PC.  

 

Let's talk about that.  
 

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1 minute ago, The Mother Fucker said:

Scarlett is a scarlet letter to noobs who rather bend over for M$ and pay monthly fees, than just game on a real PC.  

 

Let's talk about that.  
 

good point. who in the hell would buy a next gen xbox and pay for live when every game is on PC, for free.

 

Insanity.