Playstation Tablet 1,725 Posted June 16, 2019 Author Share Posted June 16, 2019 1 hour ago, JONBpc said: Still shit if it's only gonna be 1080 level. Try 1080 4k 60 on current PC games . Trying to hit 4K native is a waste of time anyways. It's all that Pro and X marketing shutting up people's brains. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bhytre 2,753 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 flopsoles 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,672 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Jon.. I don't know why you are so worried about the consoles "just" having GTX 1080 performance... the Xbox One X in "tflops" is about the same as the GTX 970... the 1080 is well over 2x the power of that. There's only so much die space and a certain level power envelope that they've gotta be within.. With optimizations and architectural differences there will be workloads that the Navi GPU will completely obliterate the GTX 1080 in... others not so much. It's going to fall around 2070 level of performance.. which is pretty badass. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,725 Posted June 16, 2019 Author Share Posted June 16, 2019 12 minutes ago, Remij_ said: Jon.. I don't know why you are so worried about the consoles "just" having GTX 1080 performance... the Xbox One X in "tflops" is about the same as the GTX 970... the 1080 is well over 2x the power of that. There's only so much die space and a certain level power envelope that they've gotta be within.. With optimizations and architectural differences there will be workloads that the Navi GPU will completely obliterate the GTX 1080 in... others not so much. It's going to fall around 2070 level of performance.. which is pretty badass. Plus if he's going into PC gaming consoles are exclusive games material anyways. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JonDnD 2,618 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 15 minutes ago, Remij_ said: Jon.. I don't know why you are so worried about the consoles "just" having GTX 1080 performance... the Xbox One X in "tflops" is about the same as the GTX 970... the 1080 is well over 2x the power of that. There's only so much die space and a certain level power envelope that they've gotta be within.. With optimizations and architectural differences there will be workloads that the Navi GPU will completely obliterate the GTX 1080 in... others not so much. It's going to fall around 2070 level of performance.. which is pretty badass. 2070 is weak for next gen console imo. Guess the good thing is my 2060 will probably still be fine for next gen games at 1080p . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JonDnD 2,618 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Team 2019 said: Plus if he's going into PC gaming consoles are exclusive games material anyways. Not really . I play my xbox more than PC now . I'll always play console more . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,725 Posted June 16, 2019 Author Share Posted June 16, 2019 At the end of the day they'll be decently powered hardware for the time of releases, with no major bottlenecks and a good price. I don't think you can't go wrong with a console as your multiplat solution if it's your preferred choice. You aren't sacrificing much, if anything at all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,672 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, JONBpc said: 2070 is weak for next gen console imo. You wont be saying that when you see next generation games homie. You wont even give a shit about TFlops anymore Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JonDnD 2,618 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Remij_ said: You wont be saying that when you see next generation games homie. You wont even give a shit about TFlops anymore I dont care about tflops now . If the output is close to 1080 or 2070 , meh . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,672 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, JONBpc said: I dont care about tflops now . If the output is close to 1080 or 2070 , meh . You're basing that on some stupid preconceived notion of the power of a 1080 or 2070. Whatever.. You'll be happy with next gen, I'm sure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,230 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 If developers are smart, and if Sony is smart.....they will aim for 1440p-1800p rendering and use all of those fancy reconstruction techniques when outputting at 4K. Maybe, just maybe, they will have some limited, somewhat-efficient method of ray-tracing. And start taking advantage of the CPU power upgrade in a way that the casual gamer will immediately notice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,725 Posted June 17, 2019 Author Share Posted June 17, 2019 People that measured the Scarlett APU suggest it's close to 400mm. So bigger than the X one. So DF is probably low balling the specs here, but a 1080 is a good bar to set not to get disappointed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,725 Posted June 17, 2019 Author Share Posted June 17, 2019 12 hours ago, jehurey said: If developers are smart, and if Sony is smart.....they will aim for 1440p-1800p rendering and use all of those fancy reconstruction techniques when outputting at 4K. Maybe, just maybe, they will have some limited, somewhat-efficient method of ray-tracing. And start taking advantage of the CPU power upgrade in a way that the casual gamer will immediately notice. Outside of some absolutely top tier studios that are first party I don't think we will see any RT. It's all your air. Even Remij's PC takes a major performance hit that's simply not rational. If the choice is 30 FPS instead of 60, and possibly a lower ress. Everyone sane will choose 60fps. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,725 Posted June 17, 2019 Author Share Posted June 17, 2019 Also the the APU for scarllet suggests a mic of different size RAM modules. So it won't be 24. Probably 16 to 18 gigs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,725 Posted June 17, 2019 Author Share Posted June 17, 2019 (edited) If MS sticks to making One games for years, it will hurt Scarlett. But I think a 4K/60fps versions for Scarlett with some upgrades isn't a bad place to be. It's more than acceptable. Especially if they are lead designed on X like Fable is supposed to be. From what I read X will be the base design system not S, which should help Scarlett a lot. Edited June 17, 2019 by Team 2019 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,085 Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 14 hours ago, Remij_ said: Jon.. I don't know why you are so worried about the consoles "just" having GTX 1080 performance... the Xbox One X in "tflops" is about the same as the GTX 970... the 1080 is well over 2x the power of that. There's only so much die space and a certain level power envelope that they've gotta be within.. With optimizations and architectural differences there will be workloads that the Navi GPU will completely obliterate the GTX 1080 in... others not so much. It's going to fall around 2070 level of performance.. which is pretty badass. GTX 980/GTX 1060 6gb level performance but I digress. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,725 Posted June 17, 2019 Author Share Posted June 17, 2019 (edited) Pastebin leak. Probably fake. But interesting non the less. Makes you wonder if the F64 in XBox could be true since MS wants to use it for general streaming. Next Gen Consoles (Mai 2019): Xbox die size: 392mm PS5 die size: 319mm Clock speed in current devkits: Xbox (Dante): 1,1 GHz (not final; Goal is 1,6) PS5 (Gonzalo): 1,8 GHz (was 1 GHz; now pretty much final version) PS5 40~44CU @ 1.8GHz = 9.2TF~ 10.1TF And Scarlett between 48~54CU @ 1.6GHz = 9.8TF~11.0TF I can't stress enough how PS5 needs to ideally hit 399 imo. Edited June 17, 2019 by Team 2019 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sergio Perez SP11 173 Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Team 2019 said: I can't stress enough how PS5 needs to ideally hit 399 imo. Fake news. Bring on $459 baby Edited June 17, 2019 by Carlos Vela Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,725 Posted June 17, 2019 Author Share Posted June 17, 2019 Id rather PS5 be weaker for fast adoption rates and stable third party support than have it be more expensive for a few people on the internet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JonDnD 2,618 Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Team 2019 said: Id rather PS5 be weaker for fast adoption rates and stable third party support than have it be more expensive for a few people on the internet. Fuck that Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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