Playstation Tablet 1,723 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) One major screw up and they just go multiplat, while keeping the XBox console as any even smaller niche side thing. I'm not exactly sure why say MS will do better next-gen, when XBox is currenty tanking badly, and 16 months left it's on life support. Then somehow a new piece of hardware that will have all multiplats on PC, some on Switch and probably all first party as cross gen for a few years is going to turn anything around. Their starting position with Scarlett is a LOT weaker than their starting positioning with the One coming off the 360 imo. https://au.ign.com/articles/2019/06/22/opinion-the-future-of-xbox-may-hinge-on-e3-2020 "While Microsoft has been doing all the right things as it reinvents itself for the next generation, E3 2020 is likely to be a historically critical one for Xbox. If its showing disappoints, all of the momentum it’s been carefully building over the past several years could be wiped away for good, regardless of how well or poorly Sony comes out of the gate with PlayStation 5. In short, E3 2020 will be a make or break moment for Microsoft and the future of the Xbox brand. There are plenty of reasons to be optimistic, but for Microsoft, the pressure is on" Edited June 23, 2019 by Team 2019 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
James Skywalker 528 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 An exposé on the Electronic Entertainment Expo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,085 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 "Xbox is currently tanking bad" Sony and Microsoft are seeing the same YoY percentage drops, they're "tanking" in unison. idiot Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,723 Posted June 23, 2019 Author Share Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said: "Xbox is currently tanking bad" Sony and Microsoft are seeing the same YoY percentage drops, they're "tanking" in unison. idiot It's seeing much lower sales overall at MUCH higher price drops, Sony like Nintendo is making a healthy profit on hardware, while MS isn't. Their hardware business is nowhere as viable or healthy. It's not even comparable, and it has no games coming to give the hardware a boost in the next 16 months either. If the S was the same price as PS4, the difference would be even more brutal. Price parity with PS5 will give very questionable results, it's in the real of possibility Scarlett will be a lower seller than One was without a dual SKU strategy. Edited June 23, 2019 by Team 2019 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,085 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, Team 2019 said: It's seeing much lower sales overall at MUCH higher price drops, Sony like Nintendo is making a healthy profit on hardware, while MS isn't. Their hardware business is nowhere as viable or healthy. It's not even comparable, and it has no games coming to give the hardware a boost in the next 16 months either. If the S was the same price as PS4, the difference would be even more brutal. Price parity with PS5 will give very questionable results, it's in the real of possibility Scarlett will be a lower seller than One was without a dual SKU strategy. You have no earthly idea what any of these systems cost to produce or what Microsoft is or is not making, nor the others. Stop being such a dumbo, PS4 and Xbox One are falling off at the same rate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,723 Posted June 23, 2019 Author Share Posted June 23, 2019 Just now, DynamiteCop! said: You have no earthly idea what any of these systems cost to produce or what Microsoft is or is not making, nor the others. Stop being such a dumbo, PS4 and Xbox One are falling off at the same rate. MS is doing drastic price cuts that Sony almost never matches. Phil flatout says there is no money in selling hardware. Their hardware business is nowhere as lucrative as the PS or Switch hardware business, it's just a fact. Outside the US which is it's strongest market the price difference is MUCH higher between the PS4 and One. It's normal to see a PS4 go for almost 300, and S go for $170 and get outsold something like 1:10. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,085 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, Team 2019 said: MS is doing drastic price cuts that Sony almost never matches. Phil flatout says there is no money in selling hardware. Their hardware business is nowhere as lucrative as the PS or Switch hardware business, it's just a fact. Outside the US which is it's strongest market the price difference is MUCH higher between the PS4 and One. It's normal to see a PS4 go for almost 300, and S go for $170 and get outsold something like 1:10. Now you're lying about what Phil Spencer has said. You're an incredible dumbass. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,723 Posted June 23, 2019 Author Share Posted June 23, 2019 1 minute ago, DynamiteCop! said: Now you're lying about what Phil Spencer has said. You're an incredible dumbass. He said the business isn't selling consoles. For reference PS4 outsold the XBox in the US. Yet still sold more in Europe than US if I remember correctly. In Asia the ratio is even more brutal. Basically XBox doesn't exist at even deeper price cuts than the US. The hardware business outside the US, is even more tragic for XBox where their price cuts give no results. XBox could cost 100, and PS4 could cost 300 and it would still get outsold. Stop being a retard and look at the global picture, even if US determines the majority of XBox sold, the worldwide market where XBox does insane price cuts still accounts for a sizeable part of its sales. The hardware profits between Sony and MS on unit sold are not comparable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,085 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Just now, Team 2019 said: He said the business isn't selling consoles. For reference PS4 outsold the XBox in the US. Yet still sold more in Europe than US if I remember correctly. In Asia the ratio is even more brutal. Basically XBox doesn't exist at even deeper price cuts than the US. The hardware business outside the US, is even more tragic for XBox where their price cuts give no results. XBox could cost 100, and PS4 could cost 300 and it would still get outsold. Stop being a retard and look at the global picture, even if US determines the majority of XBox sold, the worldwide market where XBox does insane price cuts still accounts for a sizeable part of its sales. The hardware profits between Sony and MS on unit sold are not comparable. That's not the same as saying "there's no money in selling hardware", they're not synonymous sentiments. I don't even know why I bother with you honestly, you been spouting off some of the dumbest fantasy bullshit and dramatics for the past two years and I imagine it extends back 15 years on this place. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,723 Posted June 23, 2019 Author Share Posted June 23, 2019 Just now, DynamiteCop! said: That's not the same as saying "there's no money in selling hardware", they're not synonymous sentiments. I don't even know why I bother with you honestly, you been spouting off some of the dumbest fantasy bullshit and dramatics for the past two years and I imagine it extends back 15 years on this place. What dumb bullshit. Look at the prices MS sells hardware for and Sony. Unless you're blind it's clear MS does not make the same level of profit as a Sony. Back in 2016 insiders with stats posted the average profit per console for MS was 8 dollars. Now, I have no idea since we have no stats. But when X goes below 400 at times and S for god knows how much it's clear not changed much. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,085 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Just now, Team 2019 said: What dumb bullshit. Look at the prices MS sells hardware for and Sony. Unless you're blind it's clear MS does not make the same level of profit as a Sony. Back in 2016 insiders with stats posted the average profit per console for MS was 8 dollars. Now, I have no idea since we have no stats. But when X goes below 400 at times and S for god knows how much it's clear not changed much. You do realize that retailers pre-purchase these systems right? When Microsoft has an MSRP at whatever it is and a retailer is listing it for a lesser price that is not coming out of Microsoft's pocket, that comes out of the retailers margins. The Xbox One Profit was $28 per system and $18 per system for the PS4 by the way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,723 Posted June 23, 2019 Author Share Posted June 23, 2019 1 hour ago, DynamiteCop! said: You do realize that retailers pre-purchase these systems right? When Microsoft has an MSRP at whatever it is and a retailer is listing it for a lesser price that is not coming out of Microsoft's pocket, that comes out of the retailers margins. The Xbox One Profit was $28 per system and $18 per system for the PS4 by the way. Yes MS is magically making more money at lower prices than Sony. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,670 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 23 minutes ago, Team 2019 said: Yes MS is magically making more money at lower prices than Sony. That's not what he said Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,249 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 3 hours ago, DynamiteCop! said: "Xbox is currently tanking bad" Sony and Microsoft are seeing the same YoY percentage drops, they're "tanking" in unison. idiot Hey retard.... PS4 is approaching 100 Million. Xbox1 is still hasn't hit 50 million. Not only that, PS4 is still outselling Xbox1 on a monthly basis. Bbbut the same YOY declines It's like you haven't learned from the "That Growth" BS where Xbox had a higher percentage growth but was still selling the least Quote Link to post Share on other sites
102020393023445948594 2,223 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 "Wait 'Til Next E3" no, no fucking more. it's been 3 years of this shit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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