The final nail in the coffin for MS fans

[madmaltese★ 2,549]

Just now, DynamiteCop! said:

Sony would never entertain the idea and Microsoft isn't going to waste a bunch of money porting games to Switch, especially not considering how high the ceiling for development is going to become not only cost wise but also graphically. 

 

The most, and I mean the absolute most that MAY ever happen is Switch will get an xCloud app, and even that Phil Spencer said isn't on the radar. 

Long term their goal is definitely to try have it just like a netflix app though and that means that eventually their idea is that it will be available via Xcloud so you can have GP on Switch, tablets, phones, etc. It makes the most business sense and provides nothing but a win win situation for them. It's also why Sony will never allow it on PS so it doesn't even matter if MS wanted it. 

[DynamiteCop 2,085]

1 minute ago, madmaltese said:

Long term their goal is definitely to try have it just like a netflix app though and that means that eventually their idea is that it will be available via Xcloud so you can have GP on Switch, tablets, phones, etc. It makes the most business sense and provides nothing but a win win situation for them. It's also why Sony will never allow it on PS so it doesn't even matter if MS wanted it. 

All they have to do is get their studios pumping out games, make strides like they are with PC and continue to support their consoles. 

 

They don't need Sony, they don't need Nintendo. I assume E3 2020 is going to be a very large tipping point for them, a very heavy handed push for next-gen with a lot of games on display. 

[madmaltese★ 2,549]

4 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said:

They don't need Sony, they don't need Nintendo. 

I know you think this because of the environment you're in but you are wrong. 

 

You have no idea just how dead of a brand Xbox is in for eg Europe (which is a giant market for Sony). Let alone Japan and across Asia. It is nothing. I lived in Europe during the glory 360 years. It was near to non existent on store shelves. 

MS does need Sony and Nintendo, they know this, it is why they are doing what they are doing. It is smart. Thankfully they aren't as oblivious as you see to be on a worldwide scale. 

[Goukosan 2,249]

6 minutes ago, madmaltese said:

I know you think this because of the environment you're in but you are wrong. 

 

You have no idea just how dead of a brand Xbox is in for eg Europe (which is a giant market for Sony). Let alone Japan and across Asia. It is nothing. I lived in Europe during the glory 360 years. It was near to non existent on store shelves. 

MS does need Sony and Nintendo, they know this, it is why they are doing what they are doing. It is smart. Thankfully they aren't as oblivious as you see to be on a worldwide scale. 

You have to understand... to DynamiteCop... America is the world 

[Teh_Diplomat 2,054]

9 minutes ago, madmaltese said:

I know you think this because of the environment you're in but you are wrong. 

 

You have no idea just how dead of a brand Xbox is in for eg Europe (which is a giant market for Sony). Let alone Japan and across Asia. It is nothing. I lived in Europe during the glory 360 years. It was near to non existent on store shelves. 

MS does need Sony and Nintendo, they know this, it is why they are doing what they are doing. It is smart. Thankfully they aren't as oblivious as you see to be on a worldwide scale. 

 

This is the thing, Microsoft (with regards to the Xbox brand) has attempted in some form or another, to penetrate other markets with absolutely no success.

 

As this point they have two markets: North America, and the UK - which is really a submarket of the European market, it's also extremely small by comparison to having any sort of foothold into Europe.

 

All these years later, and they've been unable to gain any traction into markets where Sony & Ninty have sold well for going on 30 years now. Can you imagine if Microsoft could only sell their OS, or Office suite in two markets worldwide with any reliability? 

Edited August 23, 2019 by Teh_Diplomat

[Teh_Diplomat 2,054]

Like when DC posted the VGChartz infographics and it showed 42 Xboxes in Japan, I had a question: Who is buying an Xbox in Japan? Expats who have an XBL subscription?

[madmaltese★ 2,549]

Just now, Teh_Diplomat said:

 

This is the thing, Microsoft (with regards to the Xbox brand) has attempted in some form or another, to penetrate markets with absolutely no success.

 

As this point they have two markets: North America, and the UK - which is really a submarket of the European market, it's also extremely small by comparison to having any sort of foothold into Europe.

 

All these years later, and they've been unable to gain any traction into markets where Sony & Ninty have sold well for going on 30 years now. Can you imagine if Microsoft could only sell their OS, or Office suite in two markets worldwide with any reliability? 

Exactly. MS will never have the perfect situation that was the disaster of PS3 with the near perfection of the 360. Sony will never screw up that badly again and even in that perfect storm, the PS3 managed to sell as much if not more (depends which reports you believe) with a year less on the market. All while getting destroyed in America. 

1 minute ago, Goukosan said:

You have to understand... to DynamiteCop... America is the world 

MS seems to be happy to understand that and make moves necessary but not Dyno 

[DynamiteCop 2,085]

1 minute ago, madmaltese said:

I know you think this because of the environment you're in but you are wrong. 

 

You have no idea just how dead of a brand Xbox is in for eg Europe (which is a giant market for Sony). Let alone Japan and across Asia. It is nothing. I lived in Europe during the glory 360 years. It was near to non existent on store shelves. 

MS does need Sony and Nintendo, they know this, it is why they are doing what they are doing. It is smart. Thankfully they aren't as oblivious as you see to be on a worldwide scale. 

The 360 says they don't need them, what more of a poor way could you lead into this than bringing up the Xbox 360?

 

"Dead brand"

 

Nintendo

• GameCube - 21.75m
• Wii - 101.63m
• Wii U - 13.6m
• Switch - 37.5m

Two out of Nintendo's last four consoles have been flops, one of which was such an egregious flop they released two consoles within the same generation of other systems. Both sold millions to dozens of millions lower than Microsoft worst efforts. It could be argued that the original Xbox only sold what it did because it was A. a new brand and B. was replaced in just 4 years. 

 

Do you call Nintendo a dead brand when they've screwed the pooch? No, because you like the rest of the loons operate on exaggerations and hyperbole. Microsoft doesn't need to rest on the laurels of anyone else, they simply need to make something compelling with compelling games, that's it. I've never seen a console and brand take more flack in my entire life and have one of the worst launches in history yet is now on the verge of selling 50 million systems, what a fucking disaster that is.

 

Like, do you read any of the shit you type?

 

 

[Goukosan 2,249]

Just now, DynamiteCop! said:

The 360 says they don't need them, what more of a poor way could you lead into this than bringing up the Xbox 360?

 

"Dead brand"

 

Nintendo

• GameCube - 21.75m
• Wii - 101.63m
• Wii U - 13.6m
• Switch - 37.5m

Two out of Nintendo's last four consoles have been flops, one of which was such an egregious flop they released two consoles within the same generation of other systems. Both sold millions to dozens of millions lower than Microsoft worst efforts. It could be argued that the original Xbox only sold what it did because it was A. a new brand and B. was replaced in just 4 years. 

 

Do you call Nintendo a dead brand when they've screwed the pooch? No, because you like the rest of the loons operate on exaggerations and hyperbole. Microsoft doesn't need to rest on the laurels of anyone else, they simply need to make something compelling with compelling games, that's it. I've never seen a console and brand take more flack in my entire life and have one of the worst launches in history yet is now on the verge of selling 50 million systems, what a fucking disaster that is.

 

Like, do you read any of the shit you type?

 

 

You seems to have left out the DS and the 3DS... why is that? lol

[DynamiteCop 2,085]

Just now, Goukosan said:

You seems to have left out the DS and the 3DS... why is that? lol

They're not home consoles, why would I or anyone bring them into a home console discussion?

[kaz 2,439]

you can make "camera" and "crime" out of america and "pure" out of europe. just googled it. well well well     also europe' "puree" ofc 

[Goukosan 2,249]

2 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said:

They're not home consoles, why would I or anyone bring them into a home console discussion?

They're dedicated videogame systems 

[kaz 2,439]

guys its fine im going to be bed

[madmaltese★ 2,549]

Just now, DynamiteCop! said:

The 360 says they don't need them, what more of a poor way could you lead into this than bringing up the Xbox 360?

 

"Dead brand"

 

Nintendo

• GameCube - 21.75m
• Wii - 101.63m
• Wii U - 13.6m
• Switch - 37.5m

Two out of Nintendo's last four consoles have been flops, one of which was such an egregious flop they released two consoles within the same generation of other systems. Both sold millions to dozens of millions lower than Microsoft worst efforts. It could be argued that the original Xbox only sold what it did because it was A. a new brand and B. was replaced in just 4 years. 

 

Do you call Nintendo a dead brand when they've screwed the pooch? No, because you like the rest of the loons operate on exaggerations and hyperbole. Microsoft doesn't need to rest on the laurels of anyone else, they simply need to make something compelling with compelling games, that's it. I've never seen a console and brand take more flack in my entire life and have one of the worst launches in history yet is now on the verge of selling 50 million systems, what a fucking disaster that is.

 

Like, do you read any of the shit you type?

 

 

Dear lord you're dumb. You have zero business sense. It is completely and utterly irrelevant that Xbox One sold 50m. Or that 360 did very well. The point is both Nintendo and Sony have a vastly stronger presence in other huge markets in the world. You going on about near 50m for Xbox One where from a business perspective the stance is 'near 50m WW with no presence in Japan/Asia and a competitor with about an 8-10x larger market share in Europe', what can we do to enter those markets'. 

Xbox has NEVER had a market majority in Europe or Asia, ever, regardless of how successful their system was or how shit their competitor was. Never and it will never happen. 

 

Ms made something compelling with compelling games. it was called the Xbox 360. Giant first party titles, best of ever multiplat and an absolute disastrous competitor. it didn't matter when it came to Europe and Asia. 

 

You're here literally arguing against MS' own moves lol   

[Goukosan 2,249]

Near 50? Keep dreaming 

[madmaltese★ 2,549]

3 minutes ago, Goukosan said:

Near 50? Keep dreaming 

I didn't even want to argue that point because even if it's true it's irrelevant to the point.

 

He can't understand that even if Xbox had an insane 80% USA market share and was the overall highest selling system but only had a 1-5% Japan/Asia and a 10-20% European market share that they would make moves to enter those markets. 

[DynamiteCop 2,085]

Just now, madmaltese said:

Dear lord you're dumb. You have zero business sense. It is completely and utterly irrelevant that Xbox One sold 50m. Or that 360 did very well. The point is both Nintendo and Sony have a vastly stronger presence in other huge markets in the world. You going on about near 50m for Xbox One where from a business perspective the stance is 'near 50m WW with no presence in Japan/Asia and a competitor with about an 8-10x larger market share in Europe', what can we do to enter those markets'. 

Xbox has NEVER had a market majority in Europe or Asia, ever, regardless of how successful their system was or how shit their competitor was. Never and it will never happen. 

 

Ms made something compelling with compelling games. it was called the Xbox 360. Giant first party titles, best of ever multiplat and an absolute disastrous competitor. it didn't matter when it came to Europe and Asia. 

 

You're here literally arguing against MS' own moves lol   

They have sold near 50 million without a massive presence in Europe and without really any presence in Asia or Japan, that says something regardless. You people act the same way every single generation and it's fucking tiring reading and arguing against the same bullshit that gets gutted time and time again. What happens in X generation has no implications for Y generation, that has been clearly laid out, that's at this point a law of physical reality. We all know this but you morons again and again fall back on the same old rote. How after 30+ years have you learned nothing?

 

Disastrous competitor? 30% of its sales came from Europe for crying out loud and it outsold the PlayStation 3 in North America by like 65%. They'll never get a stranglehold on Asia/Japan no matter what they do and that's just because of deeply rooted xenophobic societies, but even without that they can clearly still crush, the potential is there. All they need to do is check all the right boxes, have games ready, a competent system and an affordable price.

 

That's the measure of success, and even without all those things they've still been quite successful this generation even in spite of the follies. 

 

 

[madmaltese★ 2,549]

1 minute ago, DynamiteCop! said:

They have sold near 50 million without a massive presence in Europe and without really any presence in Asia or Japan, that says something regardless. You people act the same way every single generation and it's fucking tiring reading and arguing against the same bullshit that gets gutted time and time again. What happens in X generation has no implications for Y generation, that has been clearly laid out, that's at this point a law of physical reality. We all know this but you morons again and again fall back on the same old rote. How after 30+ years have you learned nothing?

 

Disastrous competitor? 30% of its sales came from Europe for crying out loud and it outsold the PlayStation 3 in North America by like 65%. They'll never get a stranglehold on Asia/Japan no matter what they do and that's just because of deeply rooted xenophobic societies, but even without that they can clearly still crush, the potential is there. All they need to do is check all the right boxes, have games ready, a competent system and an affordable price.

 

That's the measure of success, and even without all those things they've still been quite successful this generation even in spite of the follies. 

 

 

Once again all your points are totally irrelevant. Your argument is that they don't need those markets to be successful when the actual point from a business perspective is 'how can we be successful in those markets'. They have attempted to penetrate Asia and lost a lot of money doing it and are now trying to enter via the most successful gaming brand in Asia, which is a very smart move. There is no 'but even without that, they can still crush' that's not business. They want everyone's money, if they can increase their asian revenue by 10-20% then that is a success and it is a completely separate thing from how successful they are or aren't in America. 

You seem to think that if they are crushing America they will be happy and not want to increase market share WW  

 

30%... exactly. At it's absolutely peak with Sony at it's absolutely lowest, all they could muster was 30%. With UK being a huge huge huge portion of that. You think MS is content with that?

 

I don't even know why you are continually arguing about the Xbox's 'success' when this whole topic has been about European and Asian markets and MS' techniques to enter them. 

[DynamiteCop 2,085]

11 minutes ago, madmaltese said:

Once again all your points are totally irrelevant. Your argument is that they don't need those markets to be successful when the actual point from a business perspective is 'how can we be successful in those markets'. They have attempted to penetrate Asia and lost a lot of money doing it and are now trying to enter via the most successful gaming brand in Asia, which is a very smart move. There is no 'but even without that, they can still crush' that's not business. They want everyone's money, if they can increase their asian revenue by 10-20% then that is a success and it is a completely separate thing from how successful they are or aren't in America. 

You seem to think that if they are crushing America they will be happy and not want to increase market share WW  

 

30%... exactly. At it's absolutely peak with Sony at it's absolutely lowest, all they could muster was 30%. With UK being a huge huge huge portion of that. You think MS is content with that?

 

I don't even know why you are continually arguing about the Xbox's 'success' when this whole topic has been about European and Asian markets and MS' techniques to enter them. 

It's pretty simple bud, because you can be successful and not penetrating the same markets as your competition. What a shock that these companies operate independent of each other and one is not a measure of success for another. Sony selling 100 million consoles and Microsoft selling 50 million has no bearing on whether or not something was a success, it's internally gauged, not externally. 

 

Is Honda unsuccessful because Toyota sells twice as many cars as them? Is Ford unsuccessful because Toyota not only sells twice as much as them but penetrates markets they can't? No. Talking about business and your tired ass can't even understand any of this. Success does exist in a vacuum.  

 

The measure of someone else's success carries no weight on your own. 

Edited August 23, 2019 by DynamiteCop!

[madmaltese★ 2,549]

1 minute ago, DynamiteCop! said:

It's pretty simple bud, because you can be successful and not penetrating the same markets as your competition. What a shock that these companies operate independent of each other and one is not a measure of success for another. Sony selling 100 million consoles and Microsoft selling 50 million has no bearing on whether or not something was a success, it's internally gauged, not externally. 

 

Is Honda unsuccessful because Toyota sells twice as many cars as them? Is Ford unsuccessful because Toyota not only sells twice as much as them but penetrates markets they can't? No. Talking about business and your tired ass can't even understand any of this. Success does exist in a vacuum.  

Why do you keep talking about a measure of success? This is an argument you've just made up. You've went on and on about irrelevant things to the original topic which is about MS penetrating those markets it has no presence in. 

 

and again you seem to think MS is happy to rest on their laurels if they are overall 'successful' and not expand and grow in the markets they are weakest in and have the most room for growth. They are smart enough to identify the simplest way to do that is through Nintendo and if they had their way, Sony. Especially if their focus in the future is subs and not selling systems. 

 

Show me one time in this conversation I have called MS 'unsuccessful'? meanwhile you've just continually deflected the topic of the European and Asian markets and just now settling on basically 'they don't matter' lol