James Skywalker 528 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 I’m syncing in the sand. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lynux3 2,057 Posted September 22, 2019 Author Share Posted September 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Remij_ said: AdaptiveSync is NOT Freesync 2. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,085 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 16 minutes ago, Remij_ said: You don't seem to even understand what the fuck it is. Freesync is AMD's implementation of a VRR display technology. Gsync is Nvidia's. TV manufacturers don't REALLY support Freesync... they support VRR technology via the HDMI spec. The ones that do at this point have AWFUL freesync range. Both AMD and Nvidia will support that spec... because it's built right into the standard. People mistake Freesync as what VRR TV support... but it's actually what's built into the HDMI spec. 2.0b currently allows for shit tier "support"... HDMI 2.1 will offer much better VRR support.. AMD will call it freesync supported displays, and Nvidia will call it Gsync compatible displays. So long story short... Freesync isn't becoming the standard.. just like Gsync isn't. VRR via HDMI is... and Nvidia and AMD will both support that while building "better" sets which support their respective technologies. They they do support FreeSync directly due to the sheer reality that G-Sync requires an internal processing chip on the display which these displays do not have. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,671 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, lynux3 said: Freesync 2 requires AMD to certify the display. Just like Gsync does... Vesa's Adaptive Sync comes built right into the interface spec. Displays that aren't certified can still work under as 'Gsync compatible' and 'freesync supported' displays. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lynux3 2,057 Posted September 22, 2019 Author Share Posted September 22, 2019 Just now, Remij_ said: Freesync 2 requires AMD to certify the display. Just like Gsync does... Vesa's Adaptive Sync comes built right into the interface spec. Displays that aren't certified can still work under as 'Gsync compatible' and 'freesync supported' displays. FreeSync is built on top of Adaptive Sync. VESA's standard was proposed by AMD when it was just called "Project FreeSync". They are one and the same. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,671 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said: They they do support FreeSync directly due to the sheer reality that G-Sync requires an internal processing chip on the display which these displays do not have. No... they support VRR through the Vesa HDMI spec. That's NOT freesync. Freesync USES the spec... but requires displays to be certified... and run an AMD gpu... much like Gsync. Gsync monitors have chips inside, but Gsync compatible monitors are using the Vesa HDMI spec. That doesn't mean Nvidia is adopting freesync... It means they're adopting the open Vesa standard. That does nothing to detract from Gsync. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,085 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Just now, Remij_ said: No... they support VRR through the Vesa HDMI spec. That's NOT freesync. Freesync USES the spec... but requires displays to be certified... much like Gsync. Gsync monitors have chips inside, but Gsync compatible monitors are using the Vesa HDMI spec. That doesn't mean Nvidia is adopting freesync... It means they're adopting the open Vesa standard. That does nothing to detract from Gsync. And so what good is Nvidia if this chip is not in the displays? It means there's only one supported model of VRR because only one other exists which curtails into direct support of it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,671 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Just now, DynamiteCop! said: And so what good is Nvidia if this chip is not in the displays? It means there's only one supported model of VRR because only one other exists which curtails into direct support of it. It means Nvidia can open support to all Vesa displays, can certify the ones who meet the requirements, and can also run their proprietary tech in higher end TVs/monitors. There's Gsync, Freesync, and VESA Adaptive Sync. Both Freesync and Gsync REQUIRE AMD and Nvidia hardware respectively. Then there's VESA Adaptive sync which will be supported by both and is built directly into the HDMI spec. It will be supported under "Freesync supported" and "Gsync compatible".. Nvidia supporting VESA's standard does not mean they support Freesync. Freesync requires an AMD gpu. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lynux3 2,057 Posted September 22, 2019 Author Share Posted September 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Remij_ said: It means Nvidia can open support to all Vesa displays, can certify the ones who meet the requirements, and can also run their proprietary tech in higher end TVs/monitors. There's Gsync, Freesync, and VESA Adaptive Sync. Both Freesync and Gsync REQUIRE AMD and Nvidia hardware respectively. Then there's VESA Adaptive sync which will be supported by both and is built directly into the HDMI spec. It will be supported under "Freesync supported" and "Gsync compatible".. Nvidia supporting VESA's standard does not mean they support Freesync. Freesync requires an AMD gpu. NVIDIA supporting VESA's Adaptive Sync means NVIDIA is supporting AMD's proposed specification to VESA that established Adaptive Sync as an industry standard. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,671 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 1 minute ago, lynux3 said: NVIDIA supporting VESA's Adaptive Sync means NVIDIA is supporting AMD's proposed specification to VESA that established Adaptive Sync as an industry standard. VESA adaptive sync... Not freesync. That requires AMD gpus.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lynux3 2,057 Posted September 22, 2019 Author Share Posted September 22, 2019 Just now, Remij_ said: VESA adaptive sync... Not freesync. That requires AMD gpus.. AMD proposed and now established industry standard supported by standards body VESA that NVIDIA now supports. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,671 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, lynux3 said: AMD proposed and now established industry standard supported by standards body VESA that NVIDIA now supports. Q: How are DisplayPort™ Adaptive-Sync and Project FreeSync different? A: DisplayPort™ Adaptive-Sync is an ingredient DisplayPort™ feature that enables real-time adjustment of monitor refresh rates required by technologies like Project FreeSync. Project FreeSync is a unique AMD hardware/software solution that utilizes DisplayPort™ Adaptive-Sync protocols to enable user-facing benefits: smooth, tearing-free and low-latency gameplay and video. Project FreeSync is a unique AMD hardware/software solution that utilizes Adaptive Sync. Nvidia doesn't support Freesync... it supports VESA Adaptive sync. Freesync isn't an open standard... it requires an AMD gpu Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lynux3 2,057 Posted September 22, 2019 Author Share Posted September 22, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Remij_ said: Q: How are DisplayPort™ Adaptive-Sync and Project FreeSync different? A: DisplayPort™ Adaptive-Sync is an ingredient DisplayPort™ feature that enables real-time adjustment of monitor refresh rates required by technologies like Project FreeSync. Project FreeSync is a unique AMD hardware/software solution that utilizes DisplayPort™ Adaptive-Sync protocols to enable user-facing benefits: smooth, tearing-free and low-latency gameplay and video. Project FreeSync is a unique AMD hardware/software solution that utilizes Adaptive Sync. Nvidia doesn't support Freesync... it supports VESA Adaptive sync. Q: Is DisplayPort™ Adaptive-Sync the industry-standard version of Project FreeSync? A: The DisplayPort™ Adaptive-Sync specification was ported from the Embedded DisplayPort™ specification through a proposal to the VESA group by AMD. DisplayPort™ Adaptive-Sync is an ingredient feature of a DisplayPort™ link and an industry standard that enables technologies like Project FreeSync. Edited September 22, 2019 by lynux3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,671 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, lynux3 said: Q: Is DisplayPort™ Adaptive-Sync the industry-standard version of Project FreeSync? A: The DisplayPort™ Adaptive-Sync specification was ported from the Embedded DisplayPort™ specification through a proposal to the VESA group by AMD. DisplayPort™ Adaptive-Sync is an ingredient feature of a DisplayPort™ link and an industry standard that enables technologies like Project FreeSync. AMD used the adaptive sync spec from VESA... and turned it into something that REQUIRED an AMD gpu to utilize. Freesync. VESA adaptive sync does NOT require a Radeon GPU. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lynux3 2,057 Posted September 22, 2019 Author Share Posted September 22, 2019 Just now, Remij_ said: AMD used the adaptive sync spec from VESA... and turned it into something that REQUIRED an AMD gpu to utilize. Freesync. VESA adaptive sync does NOT require a Radeon GPU. 7 minutes ago, lynux3 said: Q: Is DisplayPort™ Adaptive-Sync the industry-standard version of Project FreeSync? A: The DisplayPort™ Adaptive-Sync specification was ported from the Embedded DisplayPort™ specification through a proposal to the VESA group by AMD. DisplayPort™ Adaptive-Sync is an ingredient feature of a DisplayPort™ link and an industry standard that enables technologies like Project FreeSync. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,671 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Just now, lynux3 said: Now that you've admitted defeat... we can laugh about this. Since once again this proves that AMD cannot beat Nvidia by utilizing open standard technologies... because they all will be supported on Nvidia as well. Nvidia is simply a better, smarter company. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lynux3 2,057 Posted September 22, 2019 Author Share Posted September 22, 2019 Just now, Remij_ said: Now that you've admitted defeat... we can laugh about this. Since once again this proves that AMD cannot beat Nvidia by utilizing open standard technologies... because they all will be supported on Nvidia as well. Nvidia is simply a better, smarter company. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,085 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 How adaptive is Remij going to be when he has to sync into a world without RTX 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,671 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, lynux3 said: What the fuck do you want? Nvidia creates something.. AMD causes an inferior technology to become the standard because it can't support the competition's superior technology... so then a standard comes out... and Nvidia supports it and performs better with it anyway. The only people who lose out are Radeon fans... like usual. That's not going to change. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,085 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, Remij_ said: What the fuck do you want? Nvidia creates something.. AMD causes an inferior technology to become the standard because it can't support the competition's superior technology... so then a standard comes out... and Nvidia supports it and performs better with it anyway. The only people who lose out are Radeon fans... like usual. That's not going to change. It doesn't seem like we're the ones losing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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