JonDnD 2,621 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Gamers in general, there is sometimes a tendency that the more walls we put up around things, the more valuable it is. But if we're focused on growing the games industry, we should not be less accessible. We should be more accessible. We had this argument for years over cross-play. Should we allow people to play across different platforms? Or does that somehow diminish the value of an individual platform?The thing at the highest level, which will probably get me in trouble, is as gamers you should focus on what you want, not focus on, like, my P&L [profit and loss statement], or the P&L of the console you chose to invest in. I see this dialogue about somebody worried that somehow Xbox is gonna make less money, or their console is gonna make less money if they tell me a game is going to be on a different platform before it actually comes out, or it's gonna be in a subscription, which is really what I want, but somehow that's gonna mean less money for them so I don't want them to do that because I'd rather pay more money so...You should focus on you as a gamer and the things that matter to you. We as the people running the business - I am incented to run a good business inside of Microsoft and in the long term. I've been here for 31 years. I don't know that I'll make 31 more, but I'm not going anywhere tomorrow. We're building an Xbox business for the long run. I'll tell you, Game Pass today is a strong part of that, and it continues to get stronger, and it supports the building of great IP. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
-GD-X★ 7,733 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 i have to say i'm willing to support xcloud. i have heard nothing but great things about it. i didn't think they'd be able to fix the latency issues, but i'm down. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,252 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 that's a long ass concession speech All talk but no games Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ike★ 2,906 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Spoken like a true loser Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,230 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 (edited) LOL jonb pretending that he wasn't, or currently isn't, one of the biggest console fanboys and constantly bashed other people who owned other systems. All while trying to defend an absolute failure of a console. Its like a former pornstar now being an advocate for a church and talking about celibacy. Edited November 15, 2019 by jehurey 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quad Damage 1,730 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 logical people owning phil spencer Quote I care about the product. Gamepass might influence development in ways I don't like. Tacked on multiplayer, "live services", superfluous seasons. The decline of certain genres. It's happened many times in the past. It could alternatively lead to positives, revive genres etc. I'm not a consumer, I'm a hobbyist. Quote I'm more interested to hear what he'd say to those developers who are worried about how these models might impact their business. (And I think that's what 'gamers' who voice these concerns are worried about - not about Xbox's P+L). I mean, I'm not necessarily one of those people - but it's a bit wrong to say those who have voiced concerns are simply worrying about Xbox's bottom line, and therefore shouldn't. Quote This comes across as not arrogant, but sorta tone deaf. Of course consumers are going to worry about what affects them, but acting like your service isn’t devaluating titles and affecting how devs and studios do business is a little disingenuous. Quote Sorry Phil, but it does matter to us because we fear subscription services dramatically affecting development cost and development as we know it and having an impact on how creators make money like with music, film, TV the past 10 years Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,673 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Honestly.. it's so fucking dumb what we do 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JonDnD 2,621 Posted November 15, 2019 Author Share Posted November 15, 2019 Lmao , look at all that work just to get owned Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JonDnD 2,621 Posted November 15, 2019 Author Share Posted November 15, 2019 Just now, Remij_ said: Honestly.. it's so fucking dumb what we do Quite a few here are very serious about it . You have people that want to be like PeurtoRock and make a xbox hating YouTube channel . That guy is 40 , he really did that . Many here are like him . This isn't for fun for a lot here . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spicalicious 128 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, JONBpc said: Quite a few here are very serious about it . You have people that want to be like PeurtoRock and make a xbox hating YouTube channel . That guy is 40 , he really did that . Many here are like him . This isn't for fun for a lot here . link to the channel? If that's the case I'm surprised Puertorock doesn't post here still Edited November 15, 2019 by Spicalicious Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quad Damage 1,730 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 apparently its dumb to want to be informed about your purchases just blindly invest several hundred (thousands?) of dollars on a console ecosystem, like a good fanboy let us worry about the financials! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JonDnD 2,621 Posted November 15, 2019 Author Share Posted November 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, Spicalicious said: link to the channel? If that's the case I'm surprised Puertorock doesn't post here still He doesnt post here because he doesnt want us to go troll his channel . Just search his name on YouTube. Its pathetic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JonDnD 2,621 Posted November 15, 2019 Author Share Posted November 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Quad Damage said: apparently its dumb to want to be informed about your purchases just blindly invest several hundred (thousands?) of dollars on a console ecosystem, like a good fanboy let us worry about the financials! You only care about financials when you are on top . You didnt see goobs or the sheep posting npd threads when wiiu was out. Cows didnt care about sales when 360 was stomping out ps3 and taking all its games. You weren't making DF threads when xbox was btfu ps3. But guess what, you guys were still all fanboys for those platforms. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,230 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 LOL, jonb is literally letting out years and years of pent-up butthurt. I also love that he tried to move onto sales, when we are mostly making fun of Xbox because of NO GAMES. lol Nice try. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quad Damage 1,730 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 11 minutes ago, JONBpc said: You only care about financials when you are on top . You didnt see goobs or the sheep posting npd threads when wiiu was out. Cows didnt care about sales when 360 was stomping out ps3 and taking all its games. You weren't making DF threads when xbox was btfu ps3. But guess what, you guys were still all fanboys for those platforms. i care when its justified. i woulda been pissed if i bought a wiiu and then it got discontinued a year later. i woulda been pissed if i bought an xbox one and then it discontinued exclusives a year later, or released a new revision that wasnt an underpowered pos a year later. ps3 never needed a literal do-over like those - it got its shit together and released better games, and got better as it went on - not worse like both 360 and x1. microsoft showed this gen, that when they start failing, theyll change course to a new model i may or may not be on board with, and abandon the console years early, saving all the big budget 1st party projects for the next console. meanwhile im supposed to trust philocchio who wont let me see the receipts, lmao fuck off. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JonDnD 2,621 Posted November 15, 2019 Author Share Posted November 15, 2019 Where you pissed when ps4 had no games for 2 years ? Nah . You will always find some way to defend Sony, no matter what. Fact . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spicalicious 128 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 1 hour ago, JONBpc said: He doesnt post here because he doesnt want us to go troll his channel . Just search his name on YouTube. Its pathetic wow serious business for him Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quad Damage 1,730 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, JONBpc said: Where you pissed when ps4 had no games for 2 years ? Nah . You will always find some way to defend Sony, no matter what. Fact . no because the financials showed ps4 was going to live a long, healthy life with the most support in the console market. thanks for proving my point that knowledge is good. were you pissed when xbox one had no games for 4 years? lmao Edited November 16, 2019 by Quad Damage Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JonDnD 2,621 Posted November 16, 2019 Author Share Posted November 16, 2019 38 minutes ago, Quad Damage said: no because the financials showed ps4 was going to live a long, healthy life with the most support in the console market. thanks for proving my point that knowledge is good. were you pissed when xbox one had no games for 4 years? lmao xbox had more games than PS4 in the beginning. Im never pissed about a game console lol. You, are clearly upset tho. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,252 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 Slow Jonny tucked tail and became a hermit. Yea your ass was Pissed Xbox flopped. You're not fooling anyone Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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