JonDnD 2,606 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Australian Gun Law Update; Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts.... From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down Under. It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in: Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent, Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent; Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)! In the state of Victoria.....alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent.(Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not and criminals still possess their guns!) While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,222 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 LOL this idiot is sharing a facebook post from 2015 that was already debunked. No wonder he didn't want to post the source. Quote No, this post does not contain accurate statistics about Australia’s gun laws AFP Australia Facebook Twitter Email Published on Tuesday 11 June 2019 At 00:30 A photo showing a truckload of discarded rifles has been shared tens of thousands of times in a Facebook post which claims a new law in Australia forced gun owners to surrender 640,381 personal firearms between October 2014 and October 2015. The post also claims the measure resulted in an increase in homicides, assaults and armed robberies. The claim is misleading; the photo shows prohibited firearms being discarded as part of a gun buyback scheme introduced in October 1996; official statistics show rates of homicide, assaults and armed robberies all fell between 2014 and 2015. The photo was shared in this Facebook post on October 1, 2015. It has been shared more than 186,000 times. Below is a screenshot of the post: The lengthy caption states in part: "It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars." The caption does not say when the photo was taken. It uses language like "update"; "new law"; "it has now been 12 months since"; and "in the past 12 months", appearing to refer to recent events. Posts with a similar claim have been shared more recently in 2018 and 2019 on Facebook, including here and here; and repeatedly in previous years, for example in 2011 here and in 2009 here. The claim is misleading; a reverse image search for the image in the misleading post found this photo published by international news agency Reuters on July 29, 1997. Below is a screenshot of the photo as it appears on the Reuters website: The photo caption states: “A truck unloads prohibited firearms at a scrap-metal yard in Sydney July 29 where they will be loaded into a shredder and destroyed. The guns were handed in over the past month under the Australian government's buy-back scheme. "A total of 470,000 guns have been collected nationally, with owners receiving A$243 million (US$180 million) in compensation. The scheme was set-up due to tighter gun laws brought in after the April 1996 Port Arthur massacre in which 35 people died when a lone gunman went on a shooting rampage.” The caption refers to a 12-month firearms buyback programme, which was introduced in Australia in October 1996. This blog post published on June 27, 2017, on the website for the Parliament of Australia states that "almost 650,000" firearms were removed from the community as a result of the scheme. The programme was introduced as part of the government’s National Firearms Agreement (1996) following the Port Arthur massacre in Tasmania on April 28, 1996, which left 35 people dead. The buyback programme had a budget of $500 million, funded by a tax levy, and firearms owners were compensated approximately $304 million, according to this report published by the Attorney-General's Department in 1997. The caption in the misleading post also claims that rates of certain crimes increased in the 12 months prior to the post being published on Facebook. It states: "The first year results are now in: Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent, Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent; Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)! In the state of Victoria..... Alone [sic], homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent." The claim is false; rates of homicide, assaults and armed robberies all fell in the 12 months before the misleading post was published in October 2015. This report published by the Australian Bureau of Statistics on July 13, 2016, states: “The number of victims of Homicide in Australia decreased by 2% between 2014 and 2015, falling from 421 victims to 413. This is the fourth consecutive year that the number of Homicide victims in Australia has decreased.” The number of victims of armed robbery also decreased from 4,857 to 4,402 between 2014 and 2015, according to a dataset entitled "Victims of Crime" published here by the Australian Bureau of Statistics. Below is a screenshot of the table: Rates of physical assault also decreased between 2014 and 2015, according to estimates published here by government website Crime Statistics Australia. Total physical assaults were 2262.5 per 100,000 for 2013-14, compared to 2137.2 per 100,000 for 2014-15. Below is a screenshot of the table: The numbers of homicides also decreased in the state of Victoria from 188 to 182 between 2014 and 2015, according to a table published on page 57 of this report by the Crime Statistics Agency. The agency does not provide details on whether firearms were involved in the reported homicide cases. Below is a screenshot of the table: There was no national gun amnesty in 2014. According to this government statement, the first national firearms amnesty since the one in 1996 started in July 2017 and continued for three months. https://factcheck.afp.com/no-post-does-not-contain-accurate-statistics-about-australias-gun-laws Ho-o-o-oly shit, jonb just got busted posting a flat-out lie. That is some absolute dumb-ass right-wing gaslighting. Its so bad, that jonb is almost gauranteed to PRETEND that he was intentionally baiting us with an obvious lie this entire time. I can't believe that there are people here who absolutely get bamboozled with fake news, and they accept it, wholesale. But you just saw it happen, right now. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JonDnD 2,606 Posted December 3, 2019 Author Share Posted December 3, 2019 Lol the lies from anti gun people LOL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,222 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, JONBpc said: Lol the lies from anti gun people LOL oh man, he's got nothing. No wonder he feels the need to carry a gun, or else he'd look completely dickless That has got to be the EASIEST dismantling of a lie I've ever posted on here. Jesus they have official crime statistics for EVERYTHING that facebook post mentioned. What's even funnier is how jonb got this lie FROM SOMEBODY ELSE..........and he's too much of a coward to correct that guy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JonDnD 2,606 Posted December 3, 2019 Author Share Posted December 3, 2019 I just copied article . Not my problem Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,222 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 17 minutes ago, JONBpc said: I just copied article . Not my problem Cutting and running. Of course you don't have a problem...........it was settled for you already. LOL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JonDnD 2,606 Posted December 3, 2019 Author Share Posted December 3, 2019 Settled by the anti gun nuts lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,222 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Just now, JONBpc said: Settled by the anti gun nuts lol Nope, by facts. As you can clearly see those facts posted. There's no point in you trying to laugh it off............we already did the laughing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JonDnD 2,606 Posted December 3, 2019 Author Share Posted December 3, 2019 Facts posted by anti gun nuts LOL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,222 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, JONBpc said: Facts posted by anti gun nuts LOL ............are still facts. Yes. You seem to think that 2 + 2 doesn't equal 4 if it comes from somebody you don't like. That's not my problem. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JonDnD 2,606 Posted December 3, 2019 Author Share Posted December 3, 2019 The truth cant come out , luckily there are ton of nuts like you to cover up the real stories with false facts Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,222 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Just now, JONBpc said: The truth cant come out , luckily there are ton of nuts like you to cover up the real stories with false facts Sorry, too late for you to try and change the subject. LOL pathetic, now he's saying that no one can figure out crime statistics. Pretty sure they can. Like I said.................you whining because you don't like facts coming from people you don't like........is not my problem. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JonDnD 2,606 Posted December 3, 2019 Author Share Posted December 3, 2019 Looks like you are changing the topic . Quick , a diversion ! Lefties Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,222 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, JONBpc said: Looks like you are changing the topic . Quick , a diversion ! Lefties Nope, I'm not. I actually redirected it back to the crime statistics that you lost the argument completely, and then you tried to pathetically say that CRIME STATISTIC are impossible to obtain. LOL..........which they're not. And now you're just making desperate attempts at projection. Yeah, that's not working either. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kaz 2,439 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 i have a full collection of various length spoons at home to fight of the muslims. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,249 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 another thread back fire by slow Jonny. He is posting 5 year old fake news articles. I know his ass was slow to catch on but 5 years later? that's super slow Quote Link to post Share on other sites
James Skywalker 528 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 You like arguments? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmaltese★ 2,548 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Typical slowboy thread Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,222 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 He posted an entire argument............completely lifted.........from a facebook post that has been going around for 5 years. I guess we can confirm that's he's 40. because nobody under 40 would be that stupid to attempt it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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