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Apparently they have declassified the names of the people who unmasked Flynn (set him up and did illegal espionage). 

 

This is tip of the iceberg lol

 

"Makes Watergate look like a parking ticket"

 

 

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So this is a thread entirely fueled by racist hate of Obama, eh?

 

You do understand that Donald Trump is currently arguing the case in front of the Supreme Court right now, that the President can do anything he wants, and it isn't a crime.

 

So........by Donald Trump's own logic.................anything he accuses Obama of doesn't matter..............because the President can do anything he wants.

 

Right?:bena:

 

Also....................."unmask Flynn"...................what do you mean by unmasking Flynn?

 

Explain how they "set up" Flynn. Show me the setup.

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29 minutes ago, jehurey said:

So this is a thread entirely fueled by racist hate of Obama, eh?

 

You do understand that Donald Trump is currently arguing the case in front of the Supreme Court right now, that the President can do anything he wants, and it isn't a crime.

 

So........by Donald Trump's own logic.................anything he accuses Obama of doesn't matter..............because the President can do anything he wants.

 

Right?:bena:

 

Also....................."unmask Flynn"...................what do you mean by unmasking Flynn?

 

Explain how they "set up" Flynn. Show me the setup.

 

1) Ok, in your world, let's say Trump is arguing President can literally do anything he wants and it's not a crime. So if he starts using intelligence agencies to persecute his political opponents like Obama did, it's not going to be a crime, right? Where on the fence do YOU sit? Not where does Trump sit.  

 

2) Unmask Flynn = going through FISA Court to get what comes up from his name in NSA's spying collection. They call this unmasking. They have special procedures that you can't ask this about US citizens unless national security is at risk.

 

3) The set up happened because they were trying to charge Flynn with anything to get him out. Russia was just a pretext. His call was a normal phone call. Sources now report Obama was directly involved, stalking Flynn like a creepy sack of shit and listening to his phone calls, and plotting with Comey and Susan Rice. 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, SheepKilla said:

 

1) Ok, in your world, let's say Trump is arguing President can literally do anything he wants and it's not a crime. So if he starts using intelligence agencies to persecute his political opponents like Obama did, it's not going to be a crime, right? Where on the fence do YOU sit? Not where does Trump sit.  

 

2) Unmask Flynn = going through FISA Court to get what comes up from his name in NSA's spying collection. They call this unmasking. They have special procedures that you can't ask this about US citizens unless national security is at risk.

 

3) The set up happened because they were trying to charge Flynn with anything to get him out. Russia was just a pretext. His call was a normal phone call. Sources now report Obama was directly involved, stalking Flynn like a creepy sack of shit and listening to his phone calls, and plotting with Comey and Susan Rice. 

 

 

:tom:babbling racist

 

I love how you don't know what you are talking about Michael Flynn was not part of NSA's "spying collection". That was Carter Page

:lawl::lawl::lawl::lawl::lawl::lawl:

 

Michael Flynn made 6 phone calls to Russia Ambassador Sergey Kislyak on December 26, 2016 to talk about undermining Obama's new sanctions............which is illegal for him to do while the Obama administration is in power.

 

US Intelligence was clearly monitoring Kislyak's phone calls, and they know he received phone calls from Flynn.

 

The FBI went to go interview Flynn to ask him about that...................Michael Flynn denied that he ever did such a thing.

 

He lied to the FBI, which is a crime.

 

You have no idea what you are talking about. There is no "unmasking"..............his crimes were committed out in the open and easily verifiable.

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Just now, jehurey said:

:tom:babbling racist

 

I love how you don't know what you are talking about Michael Flynn was not part of NSA's "spying collection". That was Carter Page

:lawl::lawl::lawl::lawl::lawl::lawl:

 

Michael Flynn made 6 phone calls to Russia Ambassador Sergey Kislyak on December 26, 2016 to talk about undermining Obama's new sanctions............which is illegal for him to do while the Obama administration is in power.

 

US Intelligence was clearly monitoring Kislyak's phone calls, and they know he received phone calls from Flynn.

 

The FBI went to go interview Flynn to ask him about that...................Michael Flynn denied that he ever did such a thing.

 

He lied to the FBI, which is a crime.

 

You have no idea what you are talking about. There is no "unmasking"..............his crimes were committed out in the open and easily verifiable.

Weren't you one of those pushing the Russia hoax? LMAO....Flynn never was in the NSA collection? Then how did they ask a FISA warrant to uncover him? Who do you think collects those phone calls? How is the fact they are releasing the names of people who "unmasked" him make sense if what you said was true? It's news. 

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/egregious-abuse-of-power-michael-flynn-cites-fisa-report-in-motion-to-dismiss-case-against-him

 

They also never "interviewed" him. They phrased it as a casual conversation, and showed up casually. Then they claimed he perjured himself (he didn't), when there's proof that Clapper perjured himself in front of congress and nothing happened.

 

If what you said had any grain of truth in it, why would they charge Flynn with lying? Why not charge him for the Kislyak phone calls? You just SAID that is illegal. So why charge him with a lesser perjury charge? 

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8 minutes ago, SheepKilla said:

Weren't you one of those pushing the Russia hoax? LMAO....Flynn never was in the NSA collection? Then how did they ask a FISA warrant to uncover him? Who do you think collects those phone calls? How is the fact they are releasing the names of people who "unmasked" him make sense if what you said was true? It's news. 

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/egregious-abuse-of-power-michael-flynn-cites-fisa-report-in-motion-to-dismiss-case-against-him

 

They also never "interviewed" him. They phrased it as a casual conversation, and showed up casually. Then they claimed he perjured himself (he didn't), when there's proof that Clapper perjured himself in front of congress and nothing happened.

 

If what you said had any grain of truth in it, why would they charge Flynn with lying? Why not charge him for the Kislyak phone calls? You just SAID that is illegal. So why charge him with a lesser perjury charge? 

No, if you are literally calling a Russian, whom we are constantly monitoring...........you are not being "unmasked".

 

No.............when you have two FBI agents come over to your house, you are not having normal conversation. You are being interviewed.

 

Are you saying its okay to lie to FBI people?

 

They charge him with lying..............because............there..............are.................two............FBI...............agents...........to.............easily.............prove...........it.

 

That's why. Its the easier crime to prove.

 

As evidence by the fact that..............Michael Flynn plead guilty to it, and admitted it in court in front of a judge.

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1 minute ago, jehurey said:

No, if you are literally calling a Russian, whom we are constantly monitoring...........you are not being "unmasked".

 

Then how is it news that people involved in unmasking him are now being unclassified? This is from your own precious CNN:

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/12/politics/dni-declassify-names-flynn/index.html 

 

2 minutes ago, jehurey said:

 

No.............when you have two FBI agents come over to your house, you are not having normal conversation. You are being interviewed.

 

You do realize...that the conversation took place in the White House? :| In his office with no one else present? And that he got a call before-hand to let the two agents in and that they stressed he wasn't under investigation?

 

4 minutes ago, jehurey said:

As evidence by the fact that..............Michael Flynn plead guilty to it, and admitted it in court in front of a judge.

He plead guilty because they threatened his son. Charges were completely dropped last week. 

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8 minutes ago, SheepKilla said:

Then how is it news that people involved in unmasking him are now being unclassified? This is from your own precious CNN:

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/12/politics/dni-declassify-names-flynn/index.html 

 

You do realize...that the conversation took place in the White House? :| In his office with no one else present? And that he got a call before-hand to let the two agents in and that they stressed he wasn't under investigation?

 

He plead guilty because they threatened his son. Charges were completely dropped last week. 

Let's say your neighbor is under investigation, but cops come to interview you.

 

Does that mean you can lie to the cops when they are interviewing you?????????

 

.............because you're not the subject of the investigation?

 

Michael Flynn committed a NEW crime out of thin air the moment he lied to FBI investigators.

 

Like you said...........he even got a call beforehand, therefore he didn't get a surprise visit. And he STILL thought to lie. That's how you get an INVESTIGATION STARTED into you, because the FBI agents will immediately want to know WHY he would lie.

 

Also, CNN is reporting on Trump's Director of National Intelligence talking about some "unmasking"..........even though he didn't release any list to the press.  So its just a PR stunt to PRETEND that they have evidence of something. LOL

 

I love how you look so stupid, and are clearly scrambling to find anything you can use.

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1 minute ago, jehurey said:

Let's say your neighbor is under investigation, but cops come to interview you.

 

Does that mean you can lie to the cops when they are interviewing you?????????

 

.............because you're not the subject of the investigation?

 

Michael Flynn committed a NEW crime out of thin air the moment he lied to FBI investigators.

 

Like you said...........he even got a call beforehand, therefore he didn't get a surprise visit. And he STILL thought to lie. That's how you get an INVESTIGATION STARTED into you, because the FBI agents will immediately want to know WHY he would lie.

 

Also, CNN is reporting on Trump's Director of National Intelligence talking about some "unmasking"..........even though he didn't release any list to the press.  So its just a PR stunt to PRETEND that they have evidence of something. LOL

 

 I love how you look so stupid, and are clearly scrambling to find anything you can use.

You keep digging the hole further for yourself and betraying your ignorance about even basic facts of the case. :lawl:

 

Flynn was CLEARED previously, but the case wasn't closed because of orders from higher-ups. There was NO proper investigation. They had the phone call's contents already. There was nothing to ask Flynn about. At the end, they stick a random charge on him like 'lying'...because it was all a SCAM from the start.

 

They were trying to get Flynn to say something about Trump, implying all his problems would go away.  Guy decided not to play ball. And he wasn't the only one, and now it's all coming into the light. :reg: 

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14 minutes ago, SheepKilla said:

Flynn was CLEARED previously

Which has nothing to do with him lying to FBI investigators during January 2017..........that is a NEW crime.

 

Flynn was FIRED from the Obama administration, I don't know if that's your definition of "cleared"

 

He also was discovered to have been a paid foreign agent for the nation of Ukraine..........and he did not disclose that the US government, since he has to maintain a security clearance, and all disclosures of that kind must be made.

 

I love how you are absolutely losing from every angle. I'm just pounding you into the ground with straight facts.

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Just now, jehurey said:

Which has nothing to do with him lying to FBI investigators during January 2017..........that is a NEW crime.

 

Flynn was FIRED from the Obama administration, I don't know if that's your definition of "cleared"

 

He also was discovered to have been a paid foreign agent for the nation of Ukraine..........and he did not disclose that the US government, since he has to maintain a security clearance, and all disclosures of that kind must be made.

 

I love how you are absolutely losing from every angle. I'm just pounding you into the ground with straight facts.

Firing someone has NOTHING to do with their criminal status. NOTHING. In fact, what you just said provides even MORE evidence Flynn was targeted by Obama. If someone was a Russian spy, you wouldn't fire them, you'd keep them on to keep tabs on them and then ARREST them, not fire them. Think about for a moment how absurd this sounds....a decorated US military general is colluding with Russia of all places, from inside the WH, right in the room across the hall from Obama....absurd. 

 

 3rd paragraph is Manafort. You are mixing Flynn and Manafort.  

 

Real reason Flynn was targeted was because he was about to become National Security Advisor, served on previous Obama admin, and "knew where all the bodies were buried." He was going to blow the lid and was about to have a lot of power. Sort of like the lid that Mike Rogers blew when he marched into Trump's office and had a private convo with him alerting him they were literally spying on him. 

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4 minutes ago, SheepKilla said:

Firing someone has NOTHING to do with their criminal status. NOTHING. In fact, what you just said provides even MORE evidence Flynn was targeted by Obama. If someone was a Russian spy, you wouldn't fire them, you'd keep them on to keep tabs on them and then ARREST them, not fire them. Think about for a moment how absurd this sounds....a decorated US military general is colluding with Russia of all places, from inside the WH, right in the room across the hall from Obama....absurd. 

 

 3rd paragraph is Manafort. You are mixing Flynn and Manafort.  

 

Real reason Flynn was targeted was because he was about to become National Security Advisor, served on previous Obama admin, and "knew where all the bodies were buried." He was going to blow the lid and was about to have a lot of power. Sort of like the lid that Mike Rogers blew when he marched into Trump's office and had a private convo with him alerting him they were literally spying on him. 

Obama warned Trump about bringing Flynn on when they both had a meeting.

 

They had already known that he was failing to disclose his paid foreign agent status.

 

No he wasn't "targeted" by Obama.

 

If you make 6 phone calls to the Russia Ambassador and you have no legal standing to represent America, because Barack Obama is STILL PRESIDENT..........you will get investigated. Since that is a violation of the Hatch Act.

 

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 3rd paragraph is Manafort. You are mixing Flynn and Manafort.  

I am mixing up the country.

 

But NOT the violation.

 

 

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Michael Flynn Was Paid to Represent Turkey’s Interests During Trump Campaign

  • March 10, 2017

WASHINGTON — The candidate he was advising last fall was running on a platform of America First. The client he was working for last fall was paying him more than $500,000 to put Turkey first.

Michael T. Flynn, who went from the campaign trail to the White House as President Trump’s first national security adviser, filed papers this week acknowledging that he worked as a foreign agent last year representing the interests of the Turkish government in a dispute with the United States.

 

Michael Flynn was a paid foreign agent for Turkey during 2016 and failed to notify the United States government.

Obama and the Intelligence Community would've known about this during 2016.  he was ALREADY committing crimes.

 

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Real reason Flynn was targeted was because he was about to become National Security Advisor, served on previous Obama admin, and "knew where all the bodies were buried." He was going to blow the lid and was about to have a lot of power. Sort of like the lid that Mike Rogers blew when he marched into Trump's office and had a private convo with him alerting him they were literally spying on him. 

No.........................none of that is true.

 

You mean Michael Flynn hasn't been able to get around to doing that these past 3 years??????????:tom:

 

I love how everything rest on you saying "this was ABOUT TO HAPPEN"

 

What's the matter..........are these people lazy and just can't get around to doing it?

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8 minutes ago, GeorgeW1000 said:

It's unbelievable, but given how little I believed in the Russia hoax, it's unsurprising. 

I didn't believe Russia hoax either, but now evidence is coming out that it was LITERALLY manufactured maliciously. I didn't think they'd go that far. I thought they were just being misleading and slanting. Not outright making it all up out of thin air.

 

Lots of very, very weird stories linked to Flynn. Today Sleepy Joe was asked what he knew, said "nothing," then had to backtrack when Stefanapoulos told him '...but you were confirmed in the room when they discussed him.'

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1 minute ago, SheepKilla said:

I didn't believe Russia hoax either, but now evidence is coming out that it was LITERALLY manufactured maliciously. I didn't think they'd go that far. I thought they were just being misleading and slanting. Not outright making it all up out of thin air.

 

Lots of very, very weird stories linked to Flynn. Today Sleepy Joe was asked what he knew, said "nothing," then had to backtrack when Stefanapoulos told him '...but you were confirmed in the room when they discussed him.'

Yeah its surprising... looking at the extent of the level of corruption they have / had.  Imagine if we had an FBI that welcomed president Trump instead of going to war against him. 

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10 minutes ago, SheepKilla said:

I didn't believe Russia hoax either, but now evidence is coming out that it was LITERALLY manufactured maliciously. I didn't think they'd go that far. I thought they were just being misleading and slanting. Not outright making it all up out of thin air.

 

Lots of very, very weird stories linked to Flynn. Today Sleepy Joe was asked what he knew, said "nothing," then had to backtrack when Stefanapoulos told him '...but you were confirmed in the room when they discussed him.'

Really how was it manufactured?

 

Post that evidence.

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Just now, jehurey said:

Really how was it manufactured?

 

Post that evidence.

 It's a complex story but they got caught red-handed. 

 

1) Election is going on. Obama's CIA and FBI are spying on Trump and others via a system which processes requests. These requests are automatic but a record is logged when made. Espionage started well before a candidate was picked for either side, though. 

 

2) Whistle-blower (Mike Rogers) sees the records and says something is wrong, raises alarm. He has no idea at this point what's going on, just that something is weird. 

 

3) At this point access is cut off so they go to plan B. They need to craft a narrative to keep spying, because you can't just randomly spy on a US citizen. Money that was ultimately traced to Clinton foundation paid for the Steele dossier. This is where the Russia stuff came from: this document. Steele dossier is 100% fake, and a simple reading of it exposes it. It reads like fiction. But they didn't care, because they thought document would never see public eyes. 

 

4) They start using Dossier as their evidence to keep up the spying in the secret FISA court, for warrants, even though it's a fake document...created just for the purpose to start the spying again through different channels (warrants). 
 

5) Trump ends up winning election, and he would have access to the story of what was going on. At this point they only have one choice: Double-down on Russia narrative, and accuse him of being connected to Kremlin. But this time they must bring it into the public light (because they're forced to) rather than a secret court. Originally it was just supposed to be an excuse that nobody read and then swept under the rug after Hillary won. 

 

6) Russia narrative starts hitting airwaves to cover up what was really going on and mask it. At this point Trump can't start his own investigation, because that makes him look bad, as if he's conspiring to "silence" his opponents who accused him. And plus, they hope someone wil somehow slip up and actually feed the narrative something (Even though all attempts completely failed). 

 

7) 3 years of investigation, and nothing is found related to the original claims. Testimony reveals all officials under oath denying any actual direct evidence, including Clapper and Susan Rice.    

 

8) Spies, honeypots, and actual Russian agents were involved during the whole thing and the story is even more complex and scandalous than that.

 

9) An investigation into the investigation was opened up about 6 months ago. News reports said it became a criminal investigation a few months ago. 

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