Cooke 2,026 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 (edited) Would the protesting stop? Would it become a peaceful utopia? Or would it become a crime ridden cesspool? Serious discussion. I'm trying to understand the end game of ACAB BLM ANTIFA Wall of Moms etc etc Edited August 8, 2020 by Cooke (not admin cant help Link to post Share on other sites
Cooke 2,026 Posted August 8, 2020 Author Share Posted August 8, 2020 Maybe all cops should leave every major city in America and just police the suburbs. That would be an interesting test. Link to post Share on other sites
Chicano3000 119 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 Pol-e-cya Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Impossible 407 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 Stop proposing stupid hypotheticals. Link to post Share on other sites
Twinblade★ 3,892 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 Theres a clear correlation between less officers on the street/less funding for police and more rampant crime. Its crazy that people are actually delusional enough to pretend thats not the case. Link to post Share on other sites
Cooke 2,026 Posted August 8, 2020 Author Share Posted August 8, 2020 29 minutes ago, Liquid said: Stop proposing stupid hypotheticals. Why is it stupid? It's what antifa wants. Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Impossible 407 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 32 minutes ago, Twinblade said: Theres a clear correlation between less officers on the street/less funding for police and more rampant crime. Its crazy that people are actually delusional enough to pretend thats not the case. 17 minutes ago, Cooke (not admin cant help said: Why is it stupid? It's what antifa wants. Lol stay scared boys. Tim Pool and Ben Shapiro will tell you how to think. Link to post Share on other sites
Cooke 2,026 Posted August 8, 2020 Author Share Posted August 8, 2020 14 minutes ago, Liquid said: Lol stay scared boys. Tim Pool and Ben Shapiro will tell you how to think. mmmk. Police are a socialist thing anyway.. Might as well get rid of it and have everyone either carry guns or hire private security Link to post Share on other sites
Twinblade★ 3,892 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 51 minutes ago, Liquid said: Lol stay scared boys. Tim Pool and Ben Shapiro will tell you how to think. Quote Minneapolis police are down 10% of the force since the killing of George Floyd Homicides, shootings and robberies have all increased dramatically in the city Police have told residents 'be prepared to give up your cellphone' to stay safe https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8587211/Minneapolis-police-struggle-cope-surge-violent-crime-death-George-Floyd.html Quote New York City surpassed the gun shootings total for 2019 on Saturday night By Saturday night there were 777 shootings so far this year, while in the whole of 2019 the city recorded 776 shootings https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8585265/New-York-City-shootings-2020-2019-man-777th-victim.html There are stories like these on a near daily basis, showing increases in crime in places that are butchering their police forces. Why choose to remain ignorant? And hopefully you don't feel the urge to complain about dailymail, they're just collecting and reporting on the statistics that are already out there. Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Impossible 407 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 19 hours ago, Cooke (not admin cant help said: mmmk. Police are a socialist thing anyway.. Might as well get rid of it and have everyone either carry guns or hire private security Orrrrr, Cities can reroute funding to help police deal with situations that they're not generally prepared for like responding to psychologically distressed individuals or disruptive minors? That would work out better for civilians and the police than tanks and grenade launchers. Link to post Share on other sites
Vini 430 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Liquid said: Orrrrr, Cities can reroute funding to help police deal with situations that they're not generally prepared for like responding to psychologically distressed individuals or disruptive minors? That would work out better for civilians and the police than tanks and grenade launchers. Every cop in this country would agree that mentally ill people would be better handled by the communities. What's your point? Edited August 8, 2020 by Vini Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Impossible 407 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Vini said: Every cop in this country would agree that mentally ill people would be better handled by the communities. What's your point? My point is the point. Defunding police means restructuring resources so instead of gear and more poorly trained officers there is an system in place that can offer appropriate responses. An emotionally disturbed middle schooler doesn't need a cop whose only tool kit is physical force or someone having a bipolar episode doesn't get shot because they are not responding to arrest procedures. Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgeW1000 118 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 I don’t really care. I’m leaving Portland before the cops do. Link to post Share on other sites
Twinblade★ 3,892 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 I remember there were people on this forum saying that the protests in Portland would become peaceful once the feds left. So much for that https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8608713/Protesters-return-streets-parks-Portland-Oregon.html Link to post Share on other sites
Chairman_Meow 9 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 It would be an absolute disaster. The problem is not police. The problem is how they are trained and the lack of mental health workers being integrated with first responders. When you look at how many cases of death, or even just 911 calls that are related to mental breakdowns or issues, what we need is a new kind of police. A better police. NOT a wishy washy 'lets defund all police man' which would be an absolute disaster. I feel bad for police who think they are doing good for the community but are ill trained for the problems they faced, are militarized, and are then told they are not actually helping people. Link to post Share on other sites
Cooke 2,026 Posted August 9, 2020 Author Share Posted August 9, 2020 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Chairman_Meow said: It would be an absolute disaster. The problem is not police. The problem is how they are trained and the lack of mental health workers being integrated with first responders. When you look at how many cases of death, or even just 911 calls that are related to mental breakdowns or issues, what we need is a new kind of police. A better police. NOT a wishy washy 'lets defund all police man' which would be an absolute disaster. I feel bad for police who think they are doing good for the community but are ill trained for the problems they faced, are militarized, and are then told they are not actually helping people. The problem is America is a violent culture. It's not just police, it's everyday citizens. More people are murdered in Chicago every month than police kill in a decade. No one seems to give a fuck about the root causes. Edited August 9, 2020 by Cooke (not admin cant help Link to post Share on other sites
Chairman_Meow 9 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 12 hours ago, Cooke (not admin cant help said: The problem is America is a violent culture. It's not just police, it's everyday citizens. More people are murdered in Chicago every month than police kill in a decade. No one seems to give a fuck about the root causes. Yes, I agree. When I saw reporting on flooding in the US many years ago I was blown away to see basically gangs on boats with guns use it as an opportunity to steal. I was also blown away at how much violence and rape occurred in a stadium that was used to house people who no longer had access to their homes. I don't want to dismiss the possibility that this was just terrible news reporting, it also showcased the everyday violence in some parts of the US and the "shock and awe" that occurs when this violence spills over to "normal" communities. This is essentially, and this is very hard to remember, one of the richest countries in the world. I also agree the problems are mostly structural and that tackling "root" issues is difficult. Its not about a "few bad apples", the entire system is currently in a way that creates monsters on all sides - both the police, in their psycho training, and in the general public, with problems of lack of access to health (including mental) care, education, opportunity ect.... No wonder all sides come out swinging. Link to post Share on other sites
Hot Sauce 2,727 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 17 hours ago, Cooke (not admin cant help said: No one seems to give a fuck about the root causes. Where do you think the money would be going from the reduction in police spending being called for by the groups you're mocking in this thread? Link to post Share on other sites
Teh_Diplomat 2,054 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hot Sauce said: Where do you think the money would be going from the reduction in police spending being called for by the groups you're mocking in this thread? Purple hair-dye, micro-aggression business cards, and more prisons for CIS-gender males with an over-abundance of privilege. Edited August 10, 2020 by Teh_Diplomat 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Impossible 407 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 16 hours ago, Cooke (not admin cant help said: The problem is America is a violent culture. It's not just police, it's everyday citizens. More people are murdered in Chicago every month than police kill in a decade. No one seems to give a fuck about the root causes. That can be fair to a degree. Gun lovers claim guns dont kill, but like we have nearly as many guns in this country as people. Link to post Share on other sites
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