MS has bought Zenimax/Bethesda

[jehurey 3,227]

2 minutes ago, Remij said:

They clearly AREN'T using the same engine.  It's an improved overhauled version of the engine.

 

How fucking stupid can you be.  

 

Yes they are.  Todd Howard specifically says that they are adding NEW systems on top of the pre-existing engine.

 

You would say that you are "adding new" things if the engine was entirely new.

 

I love how you are actually getting more and more vague with your responses, because you don't actually know shit about game engines.

 

He didn't say that they RE-CREATED new aspects of the engine.  Todd Howard specifically talks about NEW SYSTEMS being added on top.

 

That means they're not even gutting out OLD PRE-EXISTING SYSTEMS.

 

I love how your fanboyism how led you into arguing something you can't win. So your next move is to just get angry. LOL

[jehurey 3,227]

1 minute ago, Twinblade said:

Lmao at anyone who has any faith in Bethesda's tech. They've been putting out buggy ass games for as long as we can remember, they aren't going to suddenly build an engine that solves all of those issues.

That's where Lemij is at.

 

He's actually trying to tell us..........in the year 2020..........."no really guiz, Todd Howard says that the game engine is totally new and works this time"

[Remij 4,670]

Just now, jehurey said:

Yes they are.  Todd Howard specifically says that they are adding NEW systems on top of the pre-existing engine.

 

You would say that you are "adding new" things if the engine was entirely new.

 

I love how you are actually getting more and more vague with your responses, because you don't actually know shit about game engines.

 

He didn't say that they RE-CREATED new aspects of the engine.  Todd Howard specifically talks about NEW SYSTEMS being added on top.

 

That means they're not even gutting out OLD PRE-EXISTING SYSTEMS.

 

I love how your fanboyism how led you into arguing something you can't win. So your next move is to just get angry. LOL

God you're fucking dumb

 

Unreal Engine 5 is 2 new systems built upon UE4.... Nanite and Lumen.  It's the same engine as UE4... with new systems built on top.

 

So you're either saying UE5 isn't a new engine.... or Bethesda's engine is..  

[Hot Sauce 2,727]

1 minute ago, Twinblade said:

Lmao at anyone who has any faith in Bethesda's tech. They've been putting out buggy ass games for as long as we can remember, they aren't going to suddenly build an engine that solves all of those issues.

 

And Microsoft clearly isn't going to hold them to higher tech standards considering what inXile put out with Wasteland 3.

[Remij 4,670]

1 minute ago, jehurey said:

That's where Lemij is at.

 

He's actually trying to tell us..........in the year 2020..........."no really guiz, Todd Howard says that the game engine is totally new and works this time"

No... where YOU are at... is trying to say an overhauled engine is the same engine as it was before... with no improvements that matter.

 

Because you're LITERALLY trying to downplay everything announced today... and it's FUCKING EMBARRASSING   

[jehurey 3,227]

Just now, Remij said:

God you're fucking dumb

 

Unreal Engine 5 is 2 new systems built upon UE4.... Nanite and Lumen.  It's the same engine as UE4... with new systems built on top.

 

So you're either saying UE5 isn't a new engine.... or Bethesda's engine is..  

And Gamebryo/Creation has not been fixed, but in fact they are just slapping new systems on top of the previous systems that have not been improved or fixed or re-made in any way.

 

Its laughable that you think you can make the same comparison to Unreal's engines.

[jehurey 3,227]

Just now, Hot Sauce said:

 

And Microsoft clearly isn't going to hold them to higher tech standards considering what inXile put out with Wasteland 3.

or Halo Infinite.

[jehurey 3,227]

Just now, Remij said:

No... where YOU are at... is trying to say an overhauled engine is the same engine as it was before... with no improvements that matter.

 

Yeah, it has no improvements to the things that are broken with it.

 

Because Todd Howard never mentions fixing existing features, he only talked about ADDING NEW SYSTEMS on top.

 

Dude.........those are his words.

 

And there's nothing you can do about it.

[Remij 4,670]

1 minute ago, jehurey said:

And Gamebryo/Creation has not been fixed, but in fact they are just slapping new systems on top of the previous systems that have not been improved or fixed or re-made in any way.

 

Its laughable that you think you can make the same comparison to Unreal's engines.

I can make the same comparison across multiple engines because THAT'S HOW ENGINES ARE BUILT AND IMPROVED UPON.  No engine is 100% new you fucking retard  

 

This just shows me how very little you actually know about this shit.  

[Remij 4,670]

Just now, jehurey said:

Yeah, it has no improvements to the things that are broken with it.

 

Because Todd Howard never mentions fixing existing features, he only talked about ADDING NEW SYSTEMS on top.

 

Dude.........those are his words.

 

And there's nothing you can do about it.

God you're fucking dumb.

[Remij 4,670]

Quote

You see, the often very angry discussion about game engines, and especially ones like the Elder Scrolls 6 engine, is usually between people who don't really understand how games work. There is no single 'entity' for an engine, you can't just go out and buy a new one off the shelf. It's made up of modules – bits, units and pipelines – things that deal with rendering, stuff that handles physics, animation, data management and so on. Every time a game is developed a studio changes, replaces and upgrades parts to the suit the game it's making, so that while 'the engine' isn't radically altered in one go, it is gradually and completely replaced over time. 

 

Read the whole fucking thing... lmao you fucking idiot  

 

https://www.gamesradar.com/elder-scrolls-6-engine/

 

 

Really... take the chance to LEARN something here...

Edited September 21, 2020 by Remij

[madmaltese★ 2,549]

Y'all legit need to fuck each other

[jehurey 3,227]

2 minutes ago, Remij said:

 

Read the whole fucking thing... lmao you fucking idiot  

 

https://www.gamesradar.com/elder-scrolls-6-engine/

 

 

Really... take the chance to LEARN something here...

And then the same flaws from the previous Bethesda games appear in the new Bethesda game.

 

Its the same engine, and they don't fix what is wrong with it.

 

You know this...............there's is nothing you can say that will change this very simple and observable fact.

 

Its still the same Gamebryo/Creation engine with new SYSTEMS added on top of it.

 

Go cry somewhere else man, it look really embarrassing on you.

[JonDnD 2,607]

All the engines ms owns now , wonder if they will try out some other ones 

[Twinblade★ 3,891]

The Outer Worlds ran on UE4 which is a multi use game engine that doens't excel at any particular genre (unless the devs really put the work in) and it managed to be more stable and less buggy than most Bethesda games.

 

Bethesda on the other hand has an entire engine dedicated to JUST one type of game, and they've been building that specific type of open world RPG for almost 2 decades but each installment continues to be a technical mess.

 

Just let that sink in. Bethesda clearly has problems in their tech department and MS' money isn't going to suddenly fix that.

[jehurey 3,227]

2 minutes ago, Twinblade said:

The Outer Worlds ran on UE4 which is a multi use game engine that doens't excel at any particular genre (unless the devs really put the work in) and it managed to be more stable and less buggy than most Bethesda games.

 

Bethesda on the other hand has an entire engine dedicated to JUST one type of game, and they've been building that specific type of open world RPG for almost 2 decades but each installment continues to be a technical mess.

 

Just let that sink in. Bethesda clearly has problems in their tech department and MS' money isn't going to suddenly fix that.

Its part ego on behalf of Todd Howard, but its also them being cheapasses and not deciding to put the money into R&D to build a large open world first person engine from scratch.

 

I mean jesus, they BOUGHT id Software like 7 years ago, and they had Carmack, and they had his Rage engine, and they didn't have them reconfigure his engine for Bethesda.

[madmaltese★ 2,549]

Didn't want to post this earlier cause I didn't want to take away from what a true megathon this news is. Like probably the biggest acquisition news I can think of outside of the Activision/Blizzard merger. This is huge.

 

However, lets not pretend that we haven't been trashing Bethesda all gen. They have had a pretty bad gen and are alongside Bioware as the biggest fall from grace for this generation. They are at the lowest point they have ever been really. A lot of their most recent games have either flopped massively critically or commercially. 

FO76 and recent newest Wolfenstein were trash. Arkane's games are great but always flop commerically, now with Deathloop missing launch it will do the same. Tango make great games but they don't do that well at all. id is really the only true standout team who are currently still at the top tier level. 

 

This is a hefty hefty sum. I mean Disney bought Lucasfilm for 4bn in 2012, which is obviously more now with inflation but just to get an idea of the sum being spent. 

[JonDnD 2,607]

3 minutes ago, madmaltese said:

Didn't want to post this earlier cause I didn't want to take away from what a true megathon this news is. Like probably the biggest acquisition news I can think of outside of the Activision/Blizzard merger. This is huge.

 

However, lets not pretend that we haven't been trashing Bethesda all gen. They have had a pretty bad gen and are alongside Bioware as the biggest fall from grace for this generation. They are at the lowest point they have ever been really. A lot of their most recent games have either flopped massively critically or commercially. 

FO76 and recent newest Wolfenstein were trash. Arkane's games are great but always flop commerically, now with Deathloop missing launch it will do the same. Tango make great games but they don't do that well at all. id is really the only true standout team who are currently still at the top tier level. 

 

This is a hefty hefty sum. I mean Disney bought Lucasfilm for 4bn in 2012, which is obviously more now with inflation but just to get an idea of the sum being spent. 

But almost all of their games have a pretty big fanbase and are very popular . And all studios aren't perfect , take ghost of shuuushimsa . 7.0 flop but the sony fans still love it. 

[madmaltese★ 2,549]

6 minutes ago, JONBpc said:

But almost all of their games have a pretty big fanbase and are very popular . And all studios aren't perfect , take ghost of shuuushimsa . 7.0 flop but the sony fans still love it. 

Want to look at sales figures to Wolfenstein 2/Youngblood, Prey, Evil Within, Dishonoured and nearly anything outside of FO, TES and Doom lol

 

They are popular within hardcore gaming circles and that's it, and I don't mean Souls popular.  

 

In fact their biggest IP outside of FO and TES; Doom, isn't even that hot. Doom Eternal launched at no.6 in NPD and then didn't even make the Top 20 in it's second month (and it's a multiplat game). Bethesda haven't had a true hit in a very long time considering how many games and studios they have. 

Since you want to compare Ghost. It launched at no.1 and then no.4 in month 2 and it is exclusive to one system. 

 

 

[JonDnD 2,607]

1 minute ago, madmaltese said:

Want to look at sales figures to Wolfenstein 2/Youngblood, Prey, Evil Within, Dishonoured and nearly anything outside of FO, TES and Doom lol

 

They are popular within hardcore gaming circles and that's it, and I don't mean Souls popular.  

 

In fact their biggest IP outside of FO and TES; Doom, isn't even that hot. Doom Eternal launched at no.6 in NPD and then didn't even make the Top 20 in it's second month (and it's a multiplat game). Bethesda haven't had a true hit in a very long time considering how many games and studios they have. 

Since you want to compare Ghost. It launched at no.1 and then no.4 in month 2 and it is exclusive to one system. 

 

 

Ohh so you switched to sales lol . 

 

But yeah , let's talk about them . What were the total sales of all the games you mentioned ? Including pc .

 

I like your , " I dont want to downplay this, but im gonna anyway" argument as well .