Vini 430 Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 (edited) Can we keep gender/politics out this time so we can discuss the film After seeing it for a second time I'm convinced that there's a great film here buried under mediocre execution. I don't know if Covid got in the way of production or what, but the new high speed camera slo mo effect is weird, makes it look like a soap opera, and the fight choreography is awful. Other than that I liked everything else. The OG characters motivations make sense. The meta aspect is actually pretty small and relevant to the story but it got blown out of proportion online. I like the idea of machines turning the first 3 films into some VR video game so that those who start doubting their reality in the Matrix can be fed this video game for a cathartic "waking up" experience so they don't have to pursue those feelings in their life. Keanu still got Neo down here with all his nervous geek energy from the old films. And the happy ending for the pair is a more fitting end to the whole story I think. Edited January 1, 2022 by Vini Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cooke 2,026 Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 The cinematography and fight scenes are huge dropoff from the OG. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lostfool 680 Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 I enjoyed it. The problem with the fight scenes is editing. It was edited horribly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lostfool 680 Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Vini said: Can we keep gender/politics out this time so we can discuss the film After seeing it for a second time I'm convinced that there's a great film here buried under mediocre execution. I don't know if Covid got in the way of production or what, but the new high speed camera slo mo effect is weird, makes it look like a soap opera, and the fight choreography is awful. Other than that I liked everything else. The OG characters motivations make sense. The meta aspect is actually pretty small and relevant to the story but it got blown out of proportion online. I like the idea of machines turning the first 3 films into some VR video game so that those who start doubting their reality in the Matrix can be fed this video game for a cathartic "waking up" experience so they don't have to pursue those feelings in their life. Keanu still got Neo down here with all his nervous geek energy from the old films. And the happy ending for the pair is a more fitting end to the whole story I think. You can blame Cooke for getting your previous post locked. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Voidler 1,675 Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 (edited) It started strong but fell apart hard in the last half. A more interesting movie would have been if it spent much longer in the Matrix with Neo getting himself out. And just leave Trinity dead I think the big mistake is tying the franchise to the Wachowskis, especially after they butchered 2 and 3. I think other writers and directors could do way more interesting stuff with the property Edited January 1, 2022 by Voidler 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cooke 2,026 Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 47 minutes ago, Voidler said: It started strong but fell apart hard in the last half. A more interesting movie would have been if it spent much longer in the Matrix with Neo getting himself out. And just leave Trinity dead I think the big mistake is tying the franchise to the Wachowskis, especially after they butchered 2 and 3. I think other writers and directors could do way more interesting stuff with the property they havent made a good movie since the original matrix but studios keep giving them money to make more garbage. Kind of like M Night, except hes made a few good ones after his drought. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ike★ 2,906 Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, Cooke said: they havent made a good movie since the original matrix but studios keep giving them money to make more garbage. Kind of like M Night, except hes made a few good ones after his drought. V for Vendetta was enjoyable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,228 Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 (edited) The answer to the fighting scenes is fairly simple: Keanu Reeves cannot move the same way he did when he was in his early 30's. So they no longer have the camera pulled back to show the entire body performing acrobatics. The camera is now pulled closer, showing almost nothing below the hips. And, if you notice, Neo's enemies are just doing all of these moves and colliding with Keanu's forearms. If you go back to him fighting those two guys in John Wick 3, you'll notice that he's not moving his body that much, while the two guys are flipping and getting thrown all over, and they are the ones selling the fight as being visceral and brutal. Also, it seems like they filmed the fight scenes at 30fps. It doesn't have a very cinematic blur for some reason. Edited January 2, 2022 by jehurey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,249 Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 3 hours ago, lostfool said: You can blame Cooke for getting your previous post locked. Actual Factuals Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,249 Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 The movie was decent until the final act. The production values was B tier movie though... Which was surprising considering the first 3 were high production movies. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cooke 2,026 Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Ike said: V for Vendetta was enjoyable. Ok fine Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Substatic 420 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Was trash, felt like a straight to video movie. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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