Russia has officially invaded Ukraine

[Twinblade★ 3,892]

29 minutes ago, jehurey said:

he literally tells other people to not bring up politics and blaming certain presidents.

 

.............and he's literally bringing up Afghanistan in the Russia war thread.

 

He's such a straight-up hypocrite, its not even funny.

 

And nobody is talking about Afghanistan, because nobody ever gave a shit about Afghanistan. And it wasn't a failure on the US side.

Can you imagine trying to keep up with the costs of being in Afghanistan, and possibly even a troop surge, while trying to give money to Ukraine, and trying to fend off the inflation effects because of all the uncertainty?

 

Biden was absolutely correct with putting a cap on Afghanistan, because bigger things were coming.

 

The Afghanistan withdrawal was an absolute failure that weakened the U.S. on the world stage and nearly everyone would agree with that regardless of political affiliation. Sometimes I think you're living in an alternate dimension.

[jehurey 3,227]

Just now, Twinblade said:

 

The Afghanistan withdrawal was an absolute failure that weakened the U.S. on the world stage and everyone thinks so. Sometimes I think you're living in an alternate dimension.

No, it didn't.

 

Explain how it "weakened" the U.S.

 

[he won't be able to do that]

 

And he's now completely jumping the shark and derailing his own thread to talk about Afghanistan.

 

.............because he doesn't actually give a shit about this Russian war, this is actually just a Biden foreign policy bashing thread in disguise.

[Twinblade★ 3,892]

2 minutes ago, jehurey said:

No, it didn't.

 

Explain how it "weakened" the U.S.

 

[he won't be able to do that]

 

And he's now completely jumping the shark and derailing his own thread to talk about Afghanistan.

 

.............because he doesn't actually give a shit about this Russian war, this is actually just a Biden foreign policy bashing thread in disguise.

 

The incompetence Biden showed during the Afghanistan withdrawal absolutely had an effect on Russia's decision to go to war with Ukraine. You try your best to act like none of this is connected even though it clearly is.

[jehurey 3,227]

1 hour ago, Twinblade said:

 

The incompetence Biden showed during the Afghanistan withdrawal absolutely had an effect on Russia's decision to go to war with Ukraine

No, it didn't

 

So not only did you not answer the question I asked you..........you tried to shift it over and connect it to Russia.

 

Explain how it relates to Russia.

 

[he won't be able to explain this, either]

[Twinblade★ 3,892]

20 minutes ago, jehurey said:

No, it didn't

 

So not only did you not answer the question I asked you..........you tried to shift it over and connect it to Russia.

 

Explain how it relates to Russia.

 

[he won't be able to explain this, either]

 

There is no point. I can acknowledge Trump's misfires and failures but you will never be able to do so when it comes to Biden. The fact that you can't even accept that the Afghanistan withdrawal was a low point in our history and will have repercussions potentially spanning decades is proof of that.

[jehurey 3,227]

54 minutes ago, Twinblade said:

 

There is no point.

Yeah there is a point.

 

Its to show that you aren't completely full of shit.

 

So...........you couldn't even get over that extremely low bar.

 

You make up shit.............you're a liar.

 

And you do it because you have an agenda.

[Mr. Impossible 407]

12 hours ago, Twinblade said:

 

There is no point. I can acknowledge Trump's misfires and failures but you will never be able to do so when it comes to Biden. The fact that you can't even accept that the Afghanistan withdrawal was a low point in our history and will have repercussions potentially spanning decades is proof of that.

Lol No you can't. Hell, you sing his praises and credit him for things that he never did so how can sit there and lie and say you can fairly critique him? 

 

Like your scathing takes are shit like "he could have tweeted less" while you also act like he's a one man Justice League or something. You do realize that we aren't goldfish and don't forget shit in 24 hours right? 

[Goukosan 2,249]

"Ukraine president calls for more Russia sanctions" 

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraines-zelenskiy-says-russia-must-be-brought-justice-2022-04-07/

 

Well look at that, he wants even more sanctions. 

 

@Twinblade on the other hand seems to know what the Ukrainian president wants more than the Ukrainian president knows for himself

[Goukosan 2,249]

15 hours ago, Twinblade said:

 

The incompetence Biden showed during the Afghanistan withdrawal absolutely had an effect on Russia's decision to go to war with Ukraine. You try your best to act like none of this is connected even though it clearly is.

 

The Afghanistan withdrawal is something Trump himself wanted to do but couldn't accomplish, yes the process wasn't as smooth as we would have liked it to be, but it got done. 

 

Kinda like infustructure, Trump couldn't get it done in 48 months, but Biden did it in 10 months

[Chicano3000X 77]

15 hours ago, Twinblade said:

 

The Afghanistan withdrawal was an absolute failure that weakened the U.S. on the world stage and nearly everyone would agree with that regardless of political affiliation. Sometimes I think you're living in an alternate dimension.

The pullout was gonna be a shitshow no matter what. That's what happens when you lose a war...

[Chicano3000X 77]

Russian State Media describes plan for full blown genocide:

 

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I took the liberty of highlighting some parts of the article.

Back in April last year we wrote about the inevitability of denazification of Ukraine. We do not need a Nazi, Banderan Ukraine, an enemy of Russia and an instrument of the West to destroy Russia. Today the issue of denazification has moved to the practical plane.

Denazification is necessary when a significant part of the people - most likely its majority - is mastered and dragged by the Nazi regime into its politics. That is, when the hypothesis "the people are good - the government is bad" does not work. Recognition of this fact is the basis of the policy of denazification, of all its activities, and the fact itself constitutes its subject matter.

Ukraine is in just such a situation. The fact that Ukrainian voters voted for "Poroshenko's peace" and "Zelensky's peace" should not be misleading - Ukrainians were quite happy with the shortest route to peace through blitzkrieg, which the last two Ukrainian presidents transparently hinted at when they were elected. It was precisely this method of "pacification" of internal anti-fascists - through total terror - that was used in Odessa, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Mariupol and other Russian cities. And it suited the Ukrainian average citizen quite well. Denazification is a set of measures towards the Nazified mass of the population, which technically cannot be directly punished as war criminals.

Nazis who have taken up arms must be destroyed as much as possible on the battlefield. No significant distinction should be made between the AFU and the so-called National Security Forces, as well as the territorial defence militias that have joined these two types of military formations. All of them are equally engaged in outrageous cruelty against civilians, equally responsible for the genocide of the Russian people, and they do not observe the laws and customs of war. War criminals and active Nazis must be punished approximately and exemplarily. A total lustration must be carried out. Any organisations that have linked themselves with the practice of Nazism must be eliminated and banned. However, in addition to the top brass, a significant portion of the masses of the people who are passive Nazis, collaborators of Nazism, are also guilty. They supported and indulged the Nazi government. Just punishment for this section of the population is possible only as the bearing of the inevitable burdens of a just war against the Nazi system, waged as gently and discreetly as possible against civilians. The further denazification of this mass of the population consists in re-education, which is achieved by ideological repression (suppression) of Nazi attitudes and harsh censorship: not only in the political sphere, but necessarily also in the sphere of culture and education. It was through culture and education that the profound mass Nazification of the population was prepared and carried out, consolidated by the promise of dividends from the Nazi regime's victory over Russia, Nazi propaganda, internal violence and terror, and the eight-year war with the rebel Ukrainian Nazi people of Donbass.

Denazification can only be carried out by the victor, which presupposes (1) his unconditional control over the denazification process and (2) the power to ensure such control. In this respect, the denazified country cannot be sovereign. The denazifying state - Russia - cannot proceed from a liberal approach to denazification. The ideology of the denazifier cannot be challenged by the guilty party undergoing denazification. Russia's recognition of the need for denazification of Ukraine means the recognition that the Crimean scenario is impossible for Ukraine as a whole. However, this scenario was also impossible in 2014 in the rebellious Donbass. Only eight years of resistance to Nazi violence and terror led to internal cohesion and a consciously unequivocal mass refusal to preserve any unity and connection to Ukraine, which defined itself as a Nazi society.

The time frame for denazification can in no way be less than one generation who must be born, grow and mature under the conditions of denazification. The Nazification of Ukraine has lasted for over 30 years - starting at least in 1989 when Ukrainian nationalism gained legal and legitimate forms of political expression and led the movement for "independence" towards Nazism.

The peculiarity of modern Nazified Ukraine is its amorphous and ambivalent nature, which allows Nazism to be disguised as aspirations for "independence" and a "European" (Western, pro-American) path of "development" (in reality, degradation). (in reality - to degradation), to claim that "there is no Nazism in Ukraine, only private sporadic excesses". There is no main Nazi party, no Führer, and no full-fledged racial laws (only a stripped-down version in the form of repression of the Russian language). As a consequence, there is no opposition and no resistance to the regime.

However, all of the above does not make Ukrainian Nazism a "light version" of German Nazism of the first half of the twentieth century. On the contrary - as Ukrainian Nazism is free from such "genre" (political technology in essence) frames and restrictions, it unfolds freely as the fundamental basis of all Nazism - like European and, in its most developed form, American racism. Therefore, denazification cannot be carried out in a compromising way, on the basis of a formula such as "NATO - no, EU - yes". The collective West itself is the designer, source and sponsor of Ukrainian Nazism, while the Western Bandera cadres and their "historical memory" are only one of the instruments of the Nazification of Ukraine. Ukronazism is no less of a threat to peace and Russia than German Nazism of Hitler's modification.

The name "Ukraine" cannot apparently be retained as the title of any fully denazified state formation on territory freed from the Nazi regime. The People's Republics newly established in Nazi-liberated territory must and will grow out of the practice of economic self-government and social welfare, the reconstruction and modernisation of the population's life-support systems.

Their political aspirations in fact cannot be neutral - redemption of guilt towards Russia for treating it as an enemy can only be realized in reliance on Russia in the processes of reconstruction, regeneration and development. No "Marshall Plan" for these territories should be allowed. There can be no "neutrality" in the ideological and practical sense compatible with denazification. The cadres and organisations that are the instruments of denazification in the new denazified republics cannot but rely on the direct power and organisational support of Russia.

Denazification will inevitably be de-Ukrainianisation - a rejection of the large-scale artificial inflation of the ethnic component of the self-identification of the population of the territories of historical Malorossia and Novorossia, which the Soviet authorities started. As a tool of communist superpower, artificial ethnocentrism did not remain orphaned after the fall of communism. In this service capacity, it was taken over by another superpower (power over states) - the superpower of the West. It needs to be returned to its natural boundaries and stripped of its political functionality.

Unlike, say, Georgia and the Baltic countries, Ukraine, as history has shown, is impossible as a nation state, and attempts to "build" such a state inevitably lead to Nazism. Ukrainianism is an artificial anti-Russian construction with no civilizational content of its own, a subordinated element of a foreign and alien civilization. Debanderization in itself will not be enough for denazification - the Banderite element is only a performer and a screen, a disguise for the European project of Nazi Ukraine, so the denazification of Ukraine is also its inevitable de-Europeanization.

The Banderovian top brass must be eliminated, it is impossible to re-educate them. The social "swamp" that actively and passively supported it through action and inaction must survive the hardships of the war and assimilate the experience as a historical lesson and atonement for its guilt. Those who did not support the Nazi regime, who suffered from it and the war it unleashed in Donbass, must be consolidated and organised, must become the support of the new government, its vertical and horizontal. Historical experience shows that wartime tragedies and dramas benefit peoples who have been seduced and carried away by the role of Russia's enemy.

Denazification as the goal of the special military operation itself is understood as a military victory over the Kiev regime, the liberation of territories from armed supporters of Nazification, the elimination of intransigent Nazis, the capture of war criminals and the creation of the systemic conditions for subsequent peacetime denazification.

The latter, in turn, should begin with the organisation of local self-government, police and defence bodies cleansed of Nazi elements, launching on their basis the founding processes of the new republican statehood, integrating this statehood in close cooperation with the Russian denazification agency (newly created or remade, say, from Rossotrudnichestvo), with the adoption under Russian control of a republican regulatory framework (legislation) for denazification, defining boundaries and frameworks directly In this respect Russia should act as a custodian of the Nuremberg process.

All of the above means that in order to achieve the goals of denazification, the support of the population, their transition to Russia after being freed from the terror, violence and ideological pressure of the Kiev regime, after being removed from the informational isolation, is necessary. Of course, it will take some time for people to recover from the shock of military action and to become convinced of Russia's long-term intentions - that "they will not be abandoned". It is impossible to foresee in advance in which territories this mass of population will constitute a critically needed majority. "The Catholic province" (Western Ukraine, comprising five regions) is unlikely to be part of the pro-Russian territories. The line of exclusion, however, will be found by experience. A hostile to Russia, but forcibly neutral and demilitarised Ukraine, with formally banned Nazism, will remain behind it. Russia-haters will go there. A guarantee that this residual Ukraine will remain neutral should be the threat of an immediate continuation of the military operation if the listed requirements are not met. This would probably require a permanent Russian military presence on its territory. From the alienation line and up to the Russian border would be the territory of potential integration into Russian civilisation, anti-fascist in its inner nature.

Ukraine's denazification operation, which began with a military phase, will follow in peacetime the same logic of stages as a military operation. At each of them, irreversible changes will have to be achieved, which will be the results of the corresponding stage. The necessary initial steps of denazification can be defined as follows:

Liquidation of the armed Nazi formations (understood to mean any armed formations of Ukraine, including the Armed Forces of Ukraine), as well as the military, informational and educational infrastructure supporting their activity;

The formation of people's self-government and police (defence and law and order) in the liberated territories, protecting the population from the terror of underground Nazi groups;

-installation of the Russian information space;

-Removal of educational materials and prohibition of educational programmes at all levels that contain Nazi ideological attitudes;

-massive investigations into personal responsibility for war crimes, crimes against humanity, dissemination of Nazi ideology and support for the Nazi regime

-The listing, disclosure of the names of collaborators of the Nazi regime and their forced labour to rebuild the destroyed infrastructure as punishment for their Nazi activities (from among those who will not be subject to the death penalty or imprisonment);

-Adoption at the local level, under Russian curatorship, of primary denazification regulations "from below", banning all types and forms of revival of Nazi ideology;

-Establishing memorials, commemorative signs, monuments to the victims of Ukrainian Nazism, commemorating the heroes of the struggle against it;

The inclusion of a set of anti-fascist and denazification norms in the constitutions of the new People's Republics;

-Creation of permanent denazification bodies for a period of 25 years.

Russia will have no allies in denazification of Ukraine. As this is a purely Russian affair. And also because not just the Bandera version of Nazi Ukraine will be eradicated, but also and above all Western totalitarianism, imposed programs of civilizational degradation and disintegration, mechanisms of subordination to the superpower of the West and the USA.

In order to implement the plan of denazification of Ukraine, Russia itself will have to finally give up its pro-European and pro-Western illusions, to realize itself as the last instance of protection and preservation of those values of historical Europe (Old World), which deserve it and which the West ultimately abandoned, having lost in the struggle for itself. This struggle continued throughout the twentieth century and manifested itself in the World War and the Russian Revolution, inextricably linked to each other.

Russia did everything it could to save the West in the twentieth century. It realised the main Western project, the alternative to capitalism which defeated the nation-states - the socialist, red project. It crushed German Nazism, the monstrous spawn of the crisis of Western civilisation. The last act of Russian altruism was Russia's outstretched hand of friendship, for which Russia received a monstrous blow in the 1990s.

Everything Russia has done for the West, it has done at its own expense, by making the greatest sacrifices. The West eventually rejected all these sacrifices, devalued Russia's contribution to resolving the Western crisis, and decided to take revenge on Russia for the help it unselfishly provided. From here on, Russia will go its own way, without worrying about the fate of the West, building on another part of its legacy: leadership in the global decolonisation process.

As part of this process, Russia has high potential for partnership and alliance with countries that the West has oppressed for centuries and have no intention of putting its yoke back on. Without Russian sacrifice and struggle, these countries would not have been liberated. The denazification of Ukraine is at the same time its decolonisation, something the Ukrainian population will have to realise as it begins to free itself from the ghosts, temptations and dependencies of the so-called European choice.

Source (in Russian): ria *dot* ru / 20220403/ukraina-1781469605.html

 

 

 

[lynux3 2,049]

 

Everyone in Russia trying to figure out the truth.

[Substatic 420]

21 hours ago, Chicano3000X said:

Russian State Media describes plan for full blown genocide:

 

 

 

 

Jesus Christ.

 

And to think 60%+ Russians support the rape and genocide "war"" as well. Crazy. 

Edited April 8, 2022 by Substatic

[Twinblade★ 3,892]

On 2022-04-07 at 12:58 PM, Chicano3000X said:

The pullout was gonna be a shitshow no matter what. That's what happens when you lose a war...

 

Imagine how useful the billions of dollars of equipment they left behind would have been to the Ukrainians....

[Chicano3000X 77]

5 hours ago, Twinblade said:

 

Imagine how useful the billions of dollars of equipment they left behind would have been to the Ukrainians....

Not a problem since we have no shortage of weapons. Hence why we have no universal healthcare.

[jehurey 3,227]

On 2022-04-09 at 10:00 AM, Twinblade said:

 

Imagine how useful the billions of dollars of equipment they left behind would have been to the Ukrainians....

It wouldn't have been useful at all, since transporting it out of there would have cost massive amounts of money and manpower.

 

So you're reason for putting our soldiers lives at more risk..........and putting their families in more and more distress by keeping their loved ones away.................is...............to gather the fucking equipment?

 

You can't possibly be this stupid.

[Goukosan 2,249]

On 2022-04-09 at 11:00 AM, Twinblade said:

 

Imagine how useful the billions of dollars of equipment they left behind would have been to the Ukrainians....

If Trump was actually able to keep his promise and pull out of Afghanistan, you think he wouldn't have left that equipment there?

Edited April 11, 2022 by Goukosan

[Twinblade★ 3,892]

2 hours ago, jehurey said:

It wouldn't have been useful at all, since transporting it out of there would have cost massive amounts of money and manpower.

 

So you're reason for putting our soldiers lives at more risk..........and putting their families in more and more distress by keeping their loved ones away.................is...............to gather the fucking equipment?

 

You can't possibly be this stupid.

 

I guess the better alternative is to instead take billions of dollars worth of U.S. equipment and instead give them to the enemy that you've been spending 20 years fighting? Turning them into not only a formidable fighting force but also opening the way for that equipment to be sold to our biggest rivals like Russia and China so they can reverse engineer everything and learn some of our biggest military secrets?

 

You can't possibly be this stupid.

[Twinblade★ 3,892]

 

I guess this is the result of Biden and the west's 'devastating' sanctions? Pretty laughable.

[jehurey 3,227]

6 minutes ago, Twinblade said:

 

I guess the better alternative is to instead take billions of dollars worth of U.S. equipment and instead give them to the enemy that you've been spending 20 years fighting? Turning them into not only a formidable fighting force but also opening the way for that equipment to be sold to our biggest rivals like Russia and China so they can reverse engineer everything and learn some of our biggest military secrets?

 

You can't possibly be this stupid.

The equipment was going to stay there anyway.

 

What part of "losing war" do you not understand.

 

You basically want us to just stand there and have our soldiers slowly get plucked up.......like we're holding an entire structure that WILL fall the moment we remove ourselves.

 

All because no other president or military advisor was man-enough to have the pullout occur during their watch.

 

LOL so Russia and China are now in afghanistan??????????

 

That's literally the best retort you can provide? So you are stupid.

 

You tried to make it sound like we are losing alot by keeping out standard 10-15 year old equipment over there.

So you ARE saying you want soldiers to stay and die............to protect the equipment. LOL