Remij 4,672 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 Just now, jehurey said: No it isn't Yes it is. Those reflections don't exist in gameplay in GT7. The best you can do is take a replay and choose a "gameplay" camera angle Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,230 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 Just now, Remij said: Yes it is. Those reflections don't exist in gameplay in GT7. you literally attempted to post this: which isn't gameplay now this is what the ray-tracing actually looks like: and that's Forza running on the PC [he's not going to respond directly to this, watch Lola Run] 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,672 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, jehurey said: you literally attempted to post this: which isn't gameplay now this is what the ray-tracing actually looks like: and that's Forza running on the PC [he's not going to respond directly to this, watch Lola Run] That's photomode... and that's 30fps in GT7... not even gameplay That Forza shot is gameplay at 60fps MASSIVE difference And yes... this is what RT looks like GT7 is trash. Edited June 17, 2022 by Remij Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,230 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Remij said: That's photomode... and that's 30fps in GT7... not even gameplay That Forza shot is gameplay at 60fps MASSIVE difference And yes... this is what RT looks like GT7 is trash. No, this is what Forza's RT actually looks like: on the PC. A year late.............and the ray-tracing looks worse. And they can't even gaurantee 60fps performance for the console, that they lied and used the PC. LOL 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FIREPOWER 710 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 Alex from Digital Foundry isn’t fond of Microsoft’s deceptive marketing with Fartza 8. He says there’s no way the game will be 4K60 on the Series L when it launches 😂… Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. House 3,371 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 I didn't even see Starfield gameplay reveal until now. It looks awesome. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,672 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Ramza said: I didn't even see Starfield gameplay reveal until now. It looks awesome. Certain aspects of what they showed off look a bit boring, but who knows. Could turn out good. People are kidding themselves though if they don't think this shit is going to sell millions and millions... even considering GamePass... there's a huge audience for these games. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. House 3,371 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Remij said: Certain aspects of what they showed off look a bit boring, but who knows. Could turn out good. People are kidding themselves though if they don't think this shit is going to sell millions and millions... even considering GamePass... there's a huge audience for these games. Who think this won't sell exactly? Like Skyrim was in the top 20 NPD last month... I'm a huge Bethesda fan and I approve of what I saw, like I came once or twice. No doubt other Fallout fans are going to be all over this too. Like we complain here and there but we all buy their games anyway. Only things that has me worried are the space combat and mining for resources. Both could easily end up being boring filler/gimmicks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,672 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, Ramza said: Who think this won't sell exactly? Like Skyrim was in the top 20 NPD last month... I'm a huge Bethesda fan and I approve of what I saw, like I came once or twice. No doubt other Fallout fans are going to be all over this too. Like we complain here and there but we all buy their games anyway. Only things that has me worried are the space combat and mining for resources. Both could easily end up being boring filler/gimmicks. Some cows think it wont sell because it will be on GamePass PC/Xbox. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FIREPOWER 710 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 11 hours ago, Remij said: Yes it is. Those reflections don't exist in gameplay in GT7. The best you can do is take a replay and choose a "gameplay" camera angle They don’t exist on LBox either Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,672 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 Just now, FIREPOWER said: They don’t exist on LBox either They're talking about the Ray Traced Global Illumination... not the reflections... So yes, they do exist on Xbox. Xbox and PC have RT reflections during gameplay, and then in replays you get RTGI on top of that as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FIREPOWER 710 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, Remij said: They're talking about the Ray Traced Global Illumination... not the reflections... So yes, they do exist on Xbox. Xbox and PC have RT reflections during gameplay, and then in replays you get RTGI on top of that as well. I’ll wait to see the quality of the RT reflection on Xbox tho’. That shit looked rough on the demo they showed and that was running on a PC with a 3090 probably 😂 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,672 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 1 minute ago, FIREPOWER said: I’ll wait to see the quality of the RT reflection on Xbox tho’. That shit looked rough on the demo they showed and that was running on a PC with a 3090 probably 😂 It did not look rough.... That's gameplay at 60fps for fuck sakes.. not a replay at 30fps GT7 has NO RT during gameplay Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,230 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 4 hours ago, Remij said: It did not look rough.... That's gameplay at 60fps for fuck sakes.. not a replay at 30fps GT7 has NO RT during gameplay No, it definitely looked "rough" Either the asset of the vehicle went super low-poly in the ray-traced reflection, or the resolution quality in ray-traced reflection is really low. And like we said.................that was the PC version running. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,672 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 22 minutes ago, jehurey said: No, it definitely looked "rough" Either the asset of the vehicle went super low-poly in the ray-traced reflection, or the resolution quality in ray-traced reflection is really low. And like we said.................that was the PC version running. No.. it looks better than anything seen in GT7 when you're racing This is the reflections you see in GT7 when racing OMFG Fuck off kid Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,230 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Remij said: No.. it looks better than anything seen in GT7 when you're racing No, it doesn't That actually looks worse than the cube maps, and if you notice the car is not able to ray-trace the other car's reflection off of it. Its about as crappy as Watch Dogs Legion's ray-tracing reflection implementation on the consoles. In Gran Turismo 7, you can actually see that its rendering the inside of the reflected car Forza looks so much worse.........and that's the best they could do running off the PC. LOL Edited June 17, 2022 by jehurey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,672 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, jehurey said: No, it doesn't That actually looks worse than the cube maps, and if you notice the car is not able to ray-trace the other car's reflection off of it. Its about as crappy as Watch Dogs Legion's ray-tracing reflection implementation on the consoles. In Gran Turismo 7, you can actually see that its rendering the inside of the reflected car Forza looks so much worse.........and that's the best they could do running off the PC. LOL No... because that reflection doesn't exist in GT7 gameplay 30fps replay shot taken in photomode vs 60fps gameplay Edited June 17, 2022 by Remij Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FIREPOWER 710 Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 (edited) Poor Lemij, Digital Foundry have done their analysis of Fartza 8 and have determined the game isn’t running in Native 4K like GT7. Runs at 1080p natively even on PC and is using some form of image reconstruction to get a 4K output. That coupled with a cheaper form of RT is what enables them to get RT during gameplay on LBox and PC. TLHBFR! They also go into the bait and switch MS used in the two trailers released for the game. One of them is real-time and the other is an “in-engine” trailer, LMFAO Runs natively at 1080p and uses reconstruction even on PC to output "4K" No SMAA Cheap RT techniques Not running on Xbox and even one of the trailers wasn’t even real-time on PC and was a pre-rendered in-engine trailer. TLHBFR Edited June 18, 2022 by FIREPOWER Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,672 Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 2 hours ago, FIREPOWER said: Poor Lemij, Digital Foundry have done their analysis of Fartza 8 and have determined the game isn’t running in Native 4K like GT7. Runs at 1080p natively even on PC and is using some form of image reconstruction to get a 4K output. That coupled with a cheaper form of RT is what enables them to get RT during gameplay on LBox and PC. TLHBFR! They also go into the bait and switch MS used in the two trailers released for the game. One of them is real-time and the other is an “in-engine” trailer, LMFAO Runs natively at 1080p and uses reconstruction even on PC to output "4K" No SMAA Cheap RT techniques Not running on Xbox and even one of the trailers wasn’t even real-time on PC and was a pre-rendered in-engine trailer. TLHBFR It does not run natively at 1080p Forza never used SMAA... he was talking about MSAA.... Those RT techniques.... are better than NO RT And yes, that 1 minute trailer was running in real-time... it was not pre-rendered ffs You literally got every point wrong man LOL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,672 Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 GT7 the trailers: The game: LMAO get the FUCK out of here cows Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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