Is California serious?

[Twinblade★ 3,892]

They’re planning to ban gas powered vehicles by 2035, yet at the same time they tell people to limit charging their electric cars because of electricity shortages. Now they’re telling people to limit their AC usage in the middle of a fucking heat wave  how exactly can they expect their shitty power grid to support millions of new electric cars on the road? 

 

The memes should be writing themselves at this point. California democrats might be the dumbest in the entire country.

[Mr. House 3,371]

The people pushing green energy policies usually have no ideas what kind of energy grid is needed to support their plans in the first or what the repercussions will be, they really aren't thinking this through. At the same you have green activists wanting to shut down nuclear power plants in California. It's pure idiocy. 

[jehurey 3,227]

2 hours ago, Twinblade said:

They’re planning to ban gas powered vehicles by 2035, yet at the same time they tell people to limit charging their electric cars because of electricity shortages. Now they’re telling people to limit their AC usage in the middle of a fucking heat wave  how exactly can they expect their shitty power grid to support millions of new electric cars on the road? 

 

The memes should be writing themselves at this point. California democrats might be the dumbest in the entire country.

and why are they asking people to limit their AC usage in the middle of a fucking heat wave?

 

what's the underlying cause behind that?

[Mr. House 3,371]

3 minutes ago, jehurey said:

and why are they asking people to limit their AC usage in the middle of a fucking heat wave?

 

what's the underlying cause behind that?

California imports a lot of it's energy. Seems like they just can't meet the demand of their own state. They had blackouts in some areas not that long ago. 

 

Underlying causes? I'm guessing a rising population with a sudden rising demand in energy (heat wave) while simultaneously trying to move to greener energy sources fucked them up royally.  Just a guess. 

 

[jehurey 3,227]

48 minutes ago, Ramza said:

California imports a lot of it's energy. Seems like they just can't meet the demand of their own state. They had blackouts in some areas not that long ago. 

 

Underlying causes? I'm guessing a rising population with a sudden rising demand in energy (heat wave) while simultaneously trying to move to greener energy sources fucked them up royally.  Just a guess. 

 

you're guessing because you aren't deciding to read the actual underlying issue.

 

that's why they're trying to get off of fossil fuels.

 

and since you just said they import their energy, then that's a solvable problem by adding more green energy sources throughout the country.

 

Do you understand, that in Texas, wind power is the CHEAPEST energy sold in the Texas market? Cheaper than Natural Gas?

[Goukosan 2,249]

8 hours ago, Twinblade said:

They’re planning to ban gas powered vehicles by 2035, yet at the same time they tell people to limit charging their electric cars because of electricity shortages. Now they’re telling people to limit their AC usage in the middle of a fucking heat wave  how exactly can they expect their shitty power grid to support millions of new electric cars on the road? 

 

The memes should be writing themselves at this point. California democrats might be the dumbest in the entire country.

 

I wonder if you think 2035 is 2022?  If you didn't know... That's 13 years from now. 

 

Not only that.. Are you 12? Power companies always send out memos asking you to not overload the grid in a heatwave... Just like the water company would ask you to not waste water in a drought. 

 

You would know this if you had utility bills in your name.. But you don't do? 

 

The stupid logic you guys display sometimes is something else... Boy I tell you. 

 

And what's going to happen over that time? 

 

Oh wait.... Power grid improvements. 

 

https://www.enr.com/articles/53826-california-grid-operator-plans-record-29b-project-spend

 

"The operator of most of California’s power grid announced March 17 a 10-year transmission upgrade plan, specifying 23 projects costing an estimated $2.9 billion to accommodate a big boost in planned carbon-free power." 

 

2.9 billion investment into the power grid improvements over the next 10 years. 

 

Where are all these states across the country getting money for all these infrastructure projects? 

 

Oh yea from the Infrastructure bill that Biden got passed in 10 months that Trump couldn't accomplish in 48 months

 

 

Edited September 7, 2022 by Goukosan

[Twinblade★ 3,892]

1 hour ago, Goukosan said:

 

I wonder if you think 2035 is 2022?  If you didn't know... That's 13 years from now. 

 

Not only that.. Are you 12? Power companies always send out memos asking you to not overload the grid in a heatwave... Just like the water company would ask you to not waste water in a drought. 

 

You would know this if you had utility bills in your name.. But you don't do? 

 

The stupid logic you guys display sometimes is something else... Boy I tell you. 

 

And what's going to happen over that time? 

 

Oh wait.... Power grid improvements. 

 

https://www.enr.com/articles/53826-california-grid-operator-plans-record-29b-project-spend

 

"The operator of most of California’s power grid announced March 17 a 10-year transmission upgrade plan, specifying 23 projects costing an estimated $2.9 billion to accommodate a big boost in planned carbon-free power." 

 

2.9 billion investment into the power grid improvements over the next 10 years. 

 

Where are all these states across the country getting money for all these infrastructure projects? 

 

Oh yea from the Infrastructure bill that Biden got passed in 10 months that Trump couldn't accomplish in 48 months

 

 

 

California has had power issues for years, but im supposed to believe that a decade from now they will somehow be developed enough to support millions of new electric cars in addition to the current demands?

 

 

[Goukosan 2,249]

1 hour ago, Twinblade said:

 

California has had power issues for years, but im supposed to believe that a decade from now they will somehow be developed enough to support millions of new electric cars in addition to the current demands?

 

 

 

Yes, states across this nation have had infrastructure issues for years.  Luckily, an infrastructure bill was passed to fund these infrastructure project's for decades to come.   

[Cooke 2,026]

A new zero emissions nuclear plant sure would be nice. 

[Mr. House 3,371]

13 hours ago, jehurey said:

you're guessing because you aren't deciding to read the actual underlying issue.

 

that's why they're trying to get off of fossil fuels.

 

and since you just said they import their energy, then that's a solvable problem by adding more green energy sources throughout the country.

 

Do you understand, that in Texas, wind power is the CHEAPEST energy sold in the Texas market? Cheaper than Natural Gas?

Really? I keep hearing wind turbines are very pricey to maintain long term and unreliable, making them really unpopular in general. We have some here in a specific region and they're pretty much falling apart. Maintaining them requires highly trained technicians who climbs up to the top for repairs and those things always need repairs (I spoke to a person who used to do that once).

 

This is really not my field of interest at all but from what I can gather nuclear and hydroelectricity are still the best choice for electricity. We have a few massive dams in QC and it's enough to produce electricity for the whole province and export it as well. It's also a clean source of energy, except for the river it fucks up for life and the immediate environment but that's a nice price to pay for decades of clean energy thereafter. Anyway, I'm rambling, definitely not a choice for Texans. lol 

[jehurey 3,227]

5 hours ago, Ramza said:

Really? I keep hearing wind turbines are very pricey to maintain long term and unreliable

wind has the lowest kilowatt rate in Texas.

 

It had dropped down to about 5 cents per kilowatt hour, whereas the lowest natural gas is usually going for is between 6 to 8 cents.

 

That clearly includes the cost to install them, and maintain them.

 

They're not unreliable. Its windy in Texas, it will almost always be windy somewhere in Texas. 

 

We know when the wind dies down, when it gets the hottest. So we know when the turbines are going to slow down.

 

The problem in Texas is that the state government made the rules lax, and didn't require any way to STORE the energy. So no temporary battery plants.  The electricity generated by wind MUST BE USED immediately, hence the very low prices.

 

California wouldn't be that short-sighted, they'd probably want to invest in some sort of temporary energy storage that they can use to hold the excess power, so that they use it when they are at peak consumer usage.

[Mr. House 3,371]

3 minutes ago, jehurey said:

 

 

The problem in Texas is that the state government made the rules lax, and didn't require any way to STORE the energy. So no temporary battery plants.  The electricity generated by wind MUST BE USED immediately, hence the very low prices.

 

California wouldn't be that short-sighted, they'd probably want to invest in some sort of temporary energy storage that they can use to hold the excess power, so that they use it when they are at peak consumer usage.

Storing energy is probably costly, hence why what you say is probably not viable in most case scenarios.

[jehurey 3,227]

9 minutes ago, Ramza said:

Storing energy is probably costly, hence why what you say is probably not viable in most case scenarios.

Whatever the cost would be immensely worth it.

 

In fact one of the coolest things I've read recently is how some city in Switzerland developed a water reservoir/hydropower plant  that serves as energy storage.

 

 

 

When the wind, or solar, is generating excess power (the wind turbines are running at night, or the solar generating alot of power during the day), they need to direct that excess power into something that HOLDS energy.

 

There's other things like Sand Battery that, supposedly, holds heat in cold weather areas.

 

 

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Polar Night Energy's sand battery stores heat for use weeks or even months later. It works by converting the captured renewable electricity into hot air by using an industrial version of a standard resistive heating element, then directing the hot air into the sand.

 

The heat transfers from the air to the sand, which ends up at temperatures of around 500 to 600 degrees Celsius and retains that heat well. To unlock it for use, the process is reversed and the hot air funnelled into a heating system used for homes or industry.

 

According to Ylönen, the process is low-cost – sand is inexpensive so the main costs are related to equipment and construction of the steel storage tank.

Perfect opportunities for smart state governments to use that incoming money from Biden's Inflation Reduction Act that just passed last month, that includes money for green infrastructure projects.

 

California can use that incoming money to help pay for those things, in order to be ready by 2035.