I agree with AOC about billionaires

[jehurey 3,238]

9 minutes ago, Jon2B said:

Well if you are a welfare bum then you get free healtcare

So you think somebody is going to game the system by purposely earning no money for that sweet sweet opportunity to go to the doctor?

 

And, its not like they can go to any doctor, its usually going to be one at a public hospital, that has longer wait times and they give you the barebones treatment and just pushing you out the door?

 

You think there are people that are doing that intentionally?

[JonDnD 2,637]

2 minutes ago, jehurey said:

So you think somebody is going to game the system by purposely earning no money for that sweet sweet opportunity to go to the doctor?

 

And, its not like they can go to any doctor, its usually going to be one at a public hospital, that has longer wait times and they give you the barebones treatment and just pushing you out the door?

 

You think there are people that are doing that intentionally?

Why do you try to create arguments that aren't there?

[jehurey 3,238]

3 minutes ago, Jon2B said:

Why do you try to create arguments that aren't there?

I'm not creating an argument.

 

You specifically are implying that people intend to game the system. That is what you are saying.

 

If you want to back away from that, then fine.

[madmaltese★ 2,585]

26 minutes ago, Jon2B said:

Well if you are a welfare bum then you get free healtcare

Yeah they do.

You're either being incredibly ignorant or just downright cruel. Not everyone who is low income or unemployed is a 'welfare bum', and even if someone is a welfare bum and they have a little baby or kid, does that baby/kid not have a right for basic healthcare just because their parent/s are poor or even at worst, 'welfare bums'. What fault is that on a child? Do you have no heart?

 

The medicare levy here is 2% of income if you earn over 90K or you can use private health care and not pay it. It is less for lower incomes. Regardless of whether or not you pay medicare levy you have access to medicare if you are an Australian citizen or permanent resident. 2% of 90K is $1800 A YEAR, Australian. That's $1300 USD a year for all regular healthcare. From regular doc visits, to all types of scans, broken bones, having babies, etc. Meanwhile yous are paying $10K+ a year to cover a family and probably have to pay extra for certain stuff and actually happy about it and defending it? Why wouldn't you want a better system. If you love private healthcare so much you can still use it in countries that have public healthcare systems. So if you're rich you have a choice, if you want to can not contribute a single tax dollar to medicare. Tell me how that system isn't better in every single way to the American one. You literally have nothing to complain about. The ppl that need healthcare get it, no ones misses out and if you're so angry about giving money to the public sector then you don't. 

 

Yous have just been blinded by a system because it benefits the gov by not needing to fund it and it makes a lot of money by privitising health care. WIN WIN for everyone except regular citizens which you are. 

 

 

[JonDnD 2,637]

12 minutes ago, jehurey said:

I'm not creating an argument.

 

You specifically are implying that people intend to game the system. That is what you are saying.

 

If you want to back away from that, then fine.

Absolutely people scam the system 

[JonDnD 2,637]

7 minutes ago, madmaltese said:

Yeah they do.

You're either being incredibly ignorant or just downright cruel. Not everyone who is low income or unemployed is a 'welfare bum', and even if someone is a welfare bum and they have a little baby or kid, does that baby/kid not have a right for basic healthcare just because their parent/s are poor or even at worst, 'welfare bums'. What fault is that on a child? Do you have no heart?

 

The medicare levy here is 2% of income if you earn over 90K or you can use private health care and not pay it. It is less for lower incomes. Regardless of whether or not you pay medicare levy you have access to medicare if you are an Australian citizen or permanent resident. 2% of 90K is $1800 A YEAR, Australian. That's $1300 USD a year for all regular healthcare. From regular doc visits, to all types of scans, broken bones, having babies, etc. Meanwhile yous are paying $10K+ a year to cover a family and probably have to pay extra for certain stuff and actually happy about it and defending it? Why wouldn't you want a better system. If you love private healthcare so much you can still use it in countries that have public healthcare systems. So if you're rich you have a choice, if you want to can not contribute a single tax dollar to medicare. Tell me how that system isn't better in every single way to the American one. You literally have nothing to complain about. The ppl that need healthcare get it, no ones misses out and if you're so angry about giving money to the public sector then you don't. 

 

Yous have just been blinded by a system because it benefits the gov by not needing to fund it and it makes a lot of money by privitising health care. WIN WIN for everyone except regular citizens which you are. 

 

 

Never said people don't need welfare . There are a lot of people in America that abuse it tho .

[jehurey 3,238]

6 minutes ago, madmaltese said:

Why wouldn't you want a better system.

 

Because "other" Americans whom I don't like will benefit.

 

Therefore I'm rather the boat sink on all of us instead of doing anything in which "they" are able to benefit from.

 

That is America, right now.

[jehurey 3,238]

3 minutes ago, Jon2B said:

Absolutely people scam the system 

And it doesn't outweigh all the people who genuinely benefit from the system and become productive citizens.

 

You need to understand something................you do not live in a black and white world.

 

Should you ever find yourself in a real position to make real decisions, you can't think in such a simplistic manner.

Edited January 30, 2019 by jehurey

[JonDnD 2,637]

Just now, jehurey said:

Because "other" Americans whom I don't like will benefit.

 

Therefore I'm rather the boat sink on all of us instead of doing anything in which "they" are able to benefit from.

 

That is America, right now.

Never said that . I don't think successful people should be punished , or even have to help support people that can't support themselves.

We already have to do that . 

[jehurey 3,238]

1 minute ago, Jon2B said:

Never said that . I don't think successful people should be punished , or even have to help support people that can't support themselves.

We already have to do that . 

They're not being punished.

 

THey are the very people who would feel the tax burden the least.

 

And they benefit from having made money from the biggest middle-class in the world.

 

It is in the BEST INTERESTS of rich people and corporations that the American middle-class HAVE MONEY and be productive citizens.

 

You can't buy things if all of your money is going to the rent and your medical expenses.  Don't you understand that America runs on a consumer economy?

 

If they don't have the money, and if the basic necessities EATS ALL THE MONEY.........they're not consumers.

[JonDnD 2,637]

1 minute ago, jehurey said:

And it doesn't outweigh all the people who genuinely benefit from the system and become productive citizens.

 

You need to understand something................you do not live in a black and white world.

 

Should you ever find yourself in a real position to make real decisions, you can't think in such a simplistic manner.

 I'm in a real position . I made it to the point where I have my own house , car , no debt and some disposable income .

 

I am far from rich. I have a bunch of money saved in my 401k , a bunch of stock and I can afford to live within my means .

 

I got here for being smart with the financial situation I am currently in , which isn't upper class or even near it .

 

I don't expect handouts , free this and that and I definitely don't expect people that worked harder and had a bigger drive than me to make my life easier , or pay more than me just because they have more money .

 

I don't need to be upset about rich people or that I have to pay for my healthcare . I'm not upset I don't own a 200k house and a 100k car . I'm happy with what I have 

[madmaltese★ 2,585]

5 minutes ago, Jon2B said:

Never said people don't need welfare . There are a lot of people in America that abuse it tho .

Healthcare isn't welfare though. Healthcare is the most basic human right a government can provide it's people. Welfare is helping monetarily when people require it, say during unemployment or maternity leave, etc. Those types of things are welfare issues. If you child becomes sick and you not having to worry about if you can afford to save their life isn't a welfare issue.  

5 minutes ago, jehurey said:

Because "other" Americans whom I don't like will benefit.

 

Therefore I'm rather the boat sink on all of us instead of doing anything in which "they" are able to benefit from.

 

That is America, right now.

You may be right, I don't know. I'd hope not. 

As an outsider though you guys are so extremely divided by politics so much more than other first world countries. People associate themselves with a political party and then fight tooth and nail for whatever that party is attempting to do, regardless of issue. There is zero middle ground and almost zero actual change of thought based on policies or climate at the time of elections, etc. You're either democrat or republican and you support that side always, even when the party changes it's own view on issues. It's utterly bizarre. 

[jehurey 3,238]

2 minutes ago, Jon2B said:

 I'm in a real position . I made it to the point where I have my own house , car , no debt and some disposable income .

 

I am far from rich. I have a bunch of money saved in my 401k , a bunch of stock and I can afford to live within my means .

 

I got here for being smart with the financial situation I am currently in , which isn't upper class or even near it .

 

I don't expect handouts , free this and that and I definitely don't expect people that worked harder and had a bigger drive than me to make my life easier , or pay more than me just because they have more money .

 

I don't need to be upset about rich people or that I have to pay for my healthcare . I'm not upset I don't own a 200k house and a 100k car . I'm happy with what I have 

No.

 

I'm sorry to be mean, but you need to corrected.

 

Did you pay your public education? 12 years worth?

Did you pay for your own birth at the hospital? Did your parents?

Did anybody in your family require government assistance when you were young?

 

You think you'd have a job if you didn't have a diploma?

 

Are you self-employed.............or are you working at a business that relies on a consumer economy?

 

You DIDN'T DO THIS BY YOURSELF...........you had the benefit of growing up in a system that PUTS YOU IN A POSITION to get a job and make money.

 

I'll repeat it again..........Jeff Bezos can fuck right off and try to open up Amazon.com in South America and he leaves American consumers behind and only deals with South Americans..........let's see how much money he makes. Let's see if he has such "big drive" to replicate his success.

[jehurey 3,238]

The state of Wisconsin gave $4 Billion dollars to Foxconn to build a manufacturing plant. A big manufacturing plant where regular guys, potentially upwards of 13,000 of them, can get a job in a manufacturing line for a big company.

 

And now, Foxconn is saying "NAH, we don't like building a manufacturing plant here, we'll just build a small office building for some engineers.

 

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1PO0FV?utm_source=reddit.com

 

Wisconsin taxpayers literally gave $4 billion dollars in welfare to an already rich corporation. And they're not even going to get their blue-collar manufacturing jobs.

 

All the while, certain people spend all their time and energy trying to stop some bum from getting free dental visits because they think that's too much welfare.

Edited January 30, 2019 by jehurey

[McWicked 825]

8 hours ago, madmaltese said:

A lot of things americans think is 'right wing' is just American. No other Right wing politics around the world is pro gun and anti free healthcare. Those things are purely american traits. In fact in Aus, what would be considered the right wing party is the one that put in sweeping gun control. Both parties focus heavily on healthcare as it is a giant election winner. 

 

You'll be surprised how much money becomes available when your no.1 budget spend isn't Miltary.

I read some things Americans say who are pro miltary and anti free healthcare and I literally can't believe it. 

The priorities of what America spends it's money on is more of an issues than the actual tax rates. You and I both know that higher taxes aren't going to lead to free healthcare in the USA because the american government has other priorities. It sucks for you guys. 

I personally think the 70% rate is ludicrous but I have great empathy  with the lack of what nearly every other country in the developed world classifies as the most basic right. 

We've already had a 70% marginal tax rate.  It persisted for decades during one of our greatest economic booms and lasted until Reagan sold trickle-down economics to some very gullible baby boomers.

 

Right now we're having soaring deficit problems because Trump cut taxes for billionaires (only temporary for the middle class).  We can blame part of that on military spending, but we're actually borrowing money out of thin fucking air to pay for these tax cuts.  That's the great GOP myth.  We can't afford healthcare.  We can't afford education.  We can't afford infrastructure.  We can't afford a good space program.  But we can pull money out of thin fucking air when billionaire GOP donors want their tax cut and everyone else be damned.

 

EDIT: Also, taking into account our GDP, there's no reason we can't have a strong military and healthcare for all and education.  But that will require our rich to pay their taxes, which they seem to be violently allergic to doing for some reason.

Edited January 30, 2019 by McWicked

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[Mr. House 3,371]

It's a marginal tax rate that start at a measly 10 million dollars annually. It's okay, rich people don't deserve their fair share of profits because they're all corrupt and richer than you.  

 

You can't complain about terrible economic policies based on failed socialist ideas because you make less than 50k a year and don't have free health care.  

 

Canada is a heaven for tax evasions for the rich and other corruptions, we don't have an extreme tax rate such a %70 for rich people and yet we still have the free health care social programs Jerry and McWeak are clamoring for. Shut the fuck up you ignorant turds. You don't need insane tax rates on rich people to achieve anything of what you guys want to see happening in this thread.

[McWicked 825]

Just now, Ramza said:

It's a marginal tax rate that start at a measly 10 million dollars annually.

Bruh you flip burgers.  You don't seem to have any concept how much 10 million a year is.  You won't make 10 million over the course of your entire career.  There are people making 200k/year that won't make 10 million over the course of their careers.

[SheepKilla 473]

"AOC" 

 

biggest fucking clown in politics EVER  This is Democrats' idol

[Mr. House 3,371]

Just now, McWicked said:

Bruh you flip burgers.  You don't seem to have any concept how much 10 million a year is.  You won't make 10 million over the course of your entire career.  There are people making 200k/year that won't make 10 million over the course of their careers.

10 million a year is nothing among the real rich people.

 

Why is a rich, successful business man not entitled to his money exactly? What makes you think that Bill Gates don't deserve his share of the wealth he has produced by taking risks and starting his own company/product that is now sold all over the world exactly? Dude probably spends more annually than 10m which goes back in the economy. Most rich people got there because they take huge financial risks, and it wasn't a measly 10m investment that got them there.

 

What makes you think it's a sound economic policy that won't backfire on the economy?

 

You want to make economic policies simply based on the fact than more than 10m a year is supposedly immoral in your point of view.