DynamiteCop 2,087 Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, ghostz said: As a person with a social life/non hermit, what does it matter which store it’s on? Aren’t both stores free to download games with (outside the cost of the game) It forces the game onto an untested and unreliable, service lacking and policy hole ridden platform far out of compliance with the law especially in the EU which could effectively vanish tomorrow with no recourse for acquiring your games. Agreeing to their terms also allows them to do with your information as they please which includes selling it. Epic is also largely owned by Tencent (40%) a Chinese conglomerate which is beholden to Chinese government regulation and monitoring including client information... Epic has a history of bad mouthing PC gamers and has done nothing for them, now they're trying to create a walled garden for games on their platform by swinging their financial dick around taking games hostage... It's a garbage situation all around and people like Remij are playing it down like it's something good or not to be worried about. He's taking a hot load to the face and thanking them for it. What Epic is doing flies directly in the face of everything PC stands for and sane people are actually speaking up and refusing to engage in this ridiculousness. Edited March 2, 2019 by DynamiteCop! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,258 Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 oh no.... I have to download the game in the epic store instead of steam.... teh horror DynamiteCop cries about such mundane shit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dakur 460 Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 Well this is the future of exclusivity on digital stores. It's going to be a carnage. Besides why is Dyno crying when he supports Microspenis doing the same shit buying devs left and right to make their games exclsuive to their shitty MS store? That one is worst than Epic's Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,691 Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 1 hour ago, DynamiteCop! said: Oh get off it you beta wannabe PC gamer cuck, you're a god damn fraud if I've ever seen one. None of this is in the interest of PC gaming or PC gamers whatsoever. The only beneficiary in all of this is Epic, they're trying to force their store into existence not by providing a good product and service that stands on its own but rather by money hatting sellouts and taking advantage of lesser developers who feel they have no other choice. No one else does this, it's an abhorrent practice. Games exclusive to a platform on PC by way of financial coercion, that's absolutely pathetic.. You're actually trying to quantify this as being something that is okay... What is wrong with you? The logical thing to do is release everywhere, their game is made, this isn't funding development; this is removing options for consumers while lining pockets. It damages goodwill, it will damage their game sales in the long run, it tarnishes developer and publishers... There's nothing good about this. Does typing that make you feel better? This IS ok... this IS what an open market IS. This isn't damaging anything except the anuses of inter-platform fanboy bitches like yourself and others who think that Steam is the greatest thing in the world and that everything should release on everything. No... it shouldn't. I want stores which actually SUPPORT the developers and financially push and back the products they allow onto their stores... where they have an INCENTIVE TO SEE THOSE DEVELOPERS SUCCEED... instead of a fucking dumping ground for whatever where developers cant succeed in a sea of shit and Valve does sweet fuck all for them while they rake in cash. I'm absolutely 100% for developers choosing when and where to release their games and doing deals to ensure that they have a chance at continuing to do so in the future. Valve got too comfortable... there was nobody else...nobody with pockets big enough, or incentive to really challenge them. Ubisoft and EA both have 3rd party games on their stores, but that's just for variety.. the main focus is their own IPs.. they were never challenging Steam in the same way EPIC is.. and so now here we are. Having all the features in the world in your client means sweet fuck all to me if developers can't be successful on your platform... they might as well make deals and cut their losses. It's going to be amazing watching these fanbitches come around when games get announced exclusive to EPIC store which would have never come to PC if it wasn't for them. I can almost see Sony and EPIC doing some future stuff together. Also, as more features keep getting added to EPIC's Store... they'll start folding. I wonder what the announcement will be in the Spring which will make Steam fans rage Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,691 Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 1 hour ago, DynamiteCop! said: It forces the game onto an untested and unreliable, service lacking and policy hole ridden platform far out of compliance with the law especially in the EU which could effectively vanish tomorrow with no recourse for acquiring your games. Agreeing to their terms also allows them to do with your information as they please which includes selling it. Epic is also largely owned by Tencent (40%) a Chinese conglomerate which is beholden to Chinese government regulation and monitoring including client information... Epic has a history of bad mouthing PC gamers and has done nothing for them, now they're trying to create a walled garden for games on their platform by swinging their financial dick around taking games hostage... It's a garbage situation all around and people like Remij are playing it down like it's something good or not to be worried about. He's taking a hot load to the face and thanking them for it. What Epic is doing flies directly in the face of everything PC stands for and sane people are actually speaking up and refusing to engage in this ridiculousness. Bu but Epic bad mouthed PC gamerz Yea... PC gamers were pirating the fuck out of games back then... can't really blame them. Why are you taking it personally? How many Japanese developers shunned PC for years and years, but are now releasing everything on it and praising it as a growing market for them??? Should PC gamers not support them because of how they treated those poor PC gamers for so long??? Give me a fucking break... we're not friends... It's a business. Give me a fucking game which works and I give you my money... that's as far as it goes. EPIC aren't taking games hostage... the publishers and developers who MAKE THE GAMES... are MAKING DEALS with EPIC.... EPIC is providing incentive to do business with them, and developers make the choice. So no.. EPIC isn't the bad guy here... if developers are choosing to do this.. it's because it is what they think is right for them and their chances at success. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hot Sauce 2,735 Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 It doesn't bother me enough to boycott them or anything, but 8chan is pretty messed up. Any website that exists because 4chan cracks down too hard on child porn is a bad place for an AMA, IMO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cooke 2,034 Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 10 hours ago, DynamiteCop! said: No I won't. Why do you care what store you buy it from. It's like walmart vs target. Who gives a fuck Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,087 Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, Cookester15 said: Why do you care what store you buy it from. It's like walmart vs target. Who gives a fuck It's absolutely nothing like that, that's probably the worst example you could have come up with, because the control precedent over what you bought and what comes a long with that is entirely different depending on where the purchase is made. When you buy something physically from a store your interaction with them is done, their attachment to that product has ended. That's not the case with digital distribution on platforms like this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kaz 2,440 Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 5 hours ago, ghostz said: As a person with a social life/non hermit, what does it matter which store it’s on? Aren’t both stores free to download games with (outside the cost of the game) As a person with a social life/but still full time hermit, I couldn't care less. Just make an account, buy teh game, play teh game... No issue at all. People making problems up because they need shit to discuss. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Teh_Diplomat 2,054 Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 DC's argument is that somehow Vavle or Epic is some recent Kickstarter campaign, or some fly-by-night operation and they could shutdown next Tuesday/Month/Year and take all your games along with it... The reality is that neither system is disappearing tomorrow, and if in the unlikely event one of them eventually went under, their assets would be sold to the other - or a larger publisher; and the end result is your games from Epic would be back on STEAM or vice versa. The reality is, Valve has been around for long enough to have a massive warchest; so this will just force them to lower their percentage of what they receive per sale; and Epic could sell two copies of Metro Exodus as long as the kids keep buying cosmetics on Fortnite. I mean Forbes reported that Epic games made 3 Billion last year from Fortnite alone... I mean if you're entire argument is predicated upon the fact that you need to install another Store on your PC, then I expect you don't have Uplay, Origin, GoG, or Bethesda's launcher either. Because in those cases they are the larger of your core issue and the one that causes fracturing in the PC market. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,087 Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, Teh_Diplomat said: DC's argument is that somehow Vavle or Epic is some recent Kickstarter campaign, or some fly-by-night operation and they could shutdown next Tuesday/Month/Year and take all your games along with it... The reality is that neither system is disappearing tomorrow, and if in the unlikely event one of them eventually went under, their assets would be sold to the other - or a larger publisher; and the end result is your games from Epic would be back on STEAM or vice versa. The reality is, Valve has been around for long enough to have a massive warchest; so this will just force them to lower their percentage of what they receive per sale; and Epic could sell two copies of Metro Exodus as long as the kids keep buying cosmetics on Fortnite. I mean Forbes reported that Epic games made 3 Billion last year from Fortnite alone... I mean if you're entire argument is predicated upon the fact that you need to install another Store on your PC, then I expect you don't have Uplay, Origin, GoG, or Bethesda's launcher either. Because in those cases they are the larger of your core issue and the one that causes fracturing in the PC market. None of the policies of those platforms fall in line with Epic nor the way they do business. They don't buy exclusivity on third party games and prevent their launch elsewhere, they don't sell your information, they've proven themselves to be secure with multi-layer authentication, they haven't vehemently bad mouthed the PC platform and its gamers for years, they launched at a point when all of this was still relatively immature and acceptable to be bare bones and grow, they have policies and safety-nets in place in the event of liquidation or asset transfer. The argument isn't just "oh great another set of login credentials I need to keep track of", it's largely one based upon policy, platform competency, contingencies and feature sets. The way business is handled where they come from and how they've treated the community they're branching out into. What they do and do not do with your information and how it is secured etc. Epic Games Store is a laundry list of problems, not just problems from the past making them appear archaic as archaic can be but also draconian practices and supplying new problems to the industry and consumers that no one else had introduced. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ike★ 2,919 Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 I remember when Valve and Epic actually made games worth a shit instead of peddling a digital marketplace Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,087 Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 21 minutes ago, Ike said: I remember when Valve and Epic actually made games worth a shit instead of peddling a digital marketplace Yeah it's been 8 years... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JonDnD 2,649 Posted March 2, 2019 Author Share Posted March 2, 2019 Epic store will continue to get better and better . Steam has more features but it looks like it's trapped in the early 2000s . You earned cards ! Check your inventory , new items ! Nobody cares . Steam forums are basically.bitch fests about the games not working . Steam is so hard to navigate because it's a cluster fuck of 2 dollar junk everywhere , anime games and VR porn games . It's embarrassing. Uplay is the worst . I just doing stuff on my computer and get pop ups on my desktop to play the division 2 . Uh yeah I played it an hour ago no need for a reminder lol . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ike★ 2,919 Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 19 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said: Yeah it's been 8 years... Fuck Portal 2 is 8 years old Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flazeda_warrior 73 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 On 2019-03-02 at 1:57 AM, DynamiteCop! said: I agree with them, you should read the shitty excuses developers and publishers are making up to conceal their being paid to keep PC games off of other platforms, it's pathetic. Hello I want to provide a response to those who are understandably upset about Dangerous Driving not coming to the Steam Store and at least offer some explanation. I know it will not change people's minds but a few of you have asked 'why?' We have to date published 4 games on Steam and it was our intention that Dangerous Driving would also feature there. However, we have reached the conclusion that for now at least it is not a viable platform for us. This is not us being anti-Steam as it is clearly a great platform for many. It is purely that, for many reasons (many of which we take responsibility for) our games have just not sold on this platform. This is why we have taken the chance to try something different. We appreciate the support we have had from those of you who did buy our games on Steam and we are sorry to disappoint you that Dangerous Driving will not be there. Ugh, so your games don't sell well on Steam so you then choose the Epic Games Store as an alternative? Right... Also why wouldn't you release on both if you're concerned about sales? It's a bunch of bullshit, people have right to be pissed. They write like a student trying to use extra words just to make the mandated page count Quote Link to post Share on other sites
-GD-X★ 7,765 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Man, these are some butthurt losers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spicalicious 128 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 I believe THQ has to pay Steam or another platform so they can add their game? Maybe Epic game store is simply cheaper for them right now or maybe free for a specific amount of time so they are accepting that deal to maximize THQ company profits? If they maximize profits then this gives THQ, the company more bank to make the next game. But its okay, gamers who simply want the game on Steam just because their being difficult are boycotting. Maybe Steam, the company charges an inordinate amount? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
McWicked 825 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Yeah, why are we talking about the Epic store, here? 8chan is a pedophile/incel/nazi haven. You gotta be 8 ways stupid to host an AMA there, or you're a regular. I doubt THQ is the former. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,734 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 5 hours ago, McWicked said: Yeah, why are we talking about the Epic store, here? 8chan is a pedophile/incel/nazi haven. You gotta be 8 ways stupid to host an AMA there, or you're a regular. I doubt THQ is the former. Well they're still going to fuck little kids it seems, 8chan or not. Which is major fucked up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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