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Simple question for Conservatives: If Trump is innocent, why shouldn't he testify?

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31 minutes ago, Literal Nazi Rudolf Hess said:

I was super hyped for Obama but what the fuck did he even do for us? He talked the talk that's for sure. 

he was a great father figure to his kind... i guess... and he did the obamacare thingy. I think that's more than just being orange and a meme lol.

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5 minutes ago, Cookester15 said:

For me war is the biggest thing. Death and destruction is worse than saying idiotic things on Twitter and being a mean person. 

 

If you replaced Trump with Obama and he did the exact same things as Trump without the Twitter and dumb comments there would be no impeachment. 

I'm not really interested in the justifications, I just want the answer. You're really Warrening this.

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5 minutes ago, Hot Sauce said:

I'm not really interested in the justifications, I just want the answer. You're really Warrening this.

It's not a black and white thing bud

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Just now, Cookester15 said:

It's not a black and white thing bud

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a president who in the grand scheme of things has not been as terrible as the previous two presidents

 

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11 minutes ago, Hot Sauce said:

 

And your point is?

 

Maybe at the end of 8 years Trump will do more harm to the world than good. Yes Trump will get re-elected again because America is dumb and full of dumb spiteful people . 

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22 minutes ago, Cookester15 said:

And your point is?

It was pretty black and white in that first post and all I'm asking you is to stand behind the statement, but you haven't.

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8 minutes ago, Hot Sauce said:

It was pretty black and white in that first post and all I'm asking you is to stand behind the statement, but you haven't.

Obama has killed more people. He's worse.

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12 minutes ago, Hot Sauce said:

It was pretty black and white in that first post and all I'm asking you is to stand behind the statement, but you haven't.

As much as I think Trump is a buffoon, obama just did his shit in the dark. Trump does it out in the open and makes a spectacle for all to see. 

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6 minutes ago, Cookester15 said:

Obama has killed more people. He's worse.

Do you think drone strikes, civilian deaths, and a general penchant for war has gone down during the Trump administration compared to the Obama administration?

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3 hours ago, kaz said:

he was a great father figure to his kind... i guess... and he did the obamacare thingy. I think that's more than just being orange and a meme lol.

The affordable healthcare act is a fucking flop. You either go all the way or don't bother. 

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2 hours ago, Literal Nazi Rudolf Hess said:

If obama was a great president we wouldn't have Trump. 

That is some pretty lazy thinking.

 

That is the epitome of White People not talking responsibility for their shit.

 

"Its your fault that you forced me to vote for this belligerant racist, as a response to Obama. I'm the real victim, here.":jonb:

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7 minutes ago, Literal Nazi Rudolf Hess said:

The affordable healthcare act is a fucking flop. You either go all the way or don't bother. 

What is "going all the way" mean in this sense?

 

The only thing that Obama was not able to get in the law was the "Government Option", which is clearly meant as a gateway towards pursuading people to voluntarily join Government-controlled Single Payer insurance.

 

Is that what you mean, "going all the way". That he should've gone for Universal Single Payer healthcare?

 

The Affordable Care Act, its original law, was written by Republicans, by the Heritage Foundation in the 90's. It is literally policy that came from moderate right-wingers.  And the goal of the law is to force all Americans that they have to buy insurance from FOR-PROFIT corporations. That should clue you in as to how Republican-friendly the law is.

 

.....and look how much Republicans still fought and obstructed Obama over a healthcare plan that Republicans created in the first place.

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9 minutes ago, Literal Nazi Rudolf Hess said:

The affordable healthcare act is a fucking flop. You either go all the way or don't bother. 

Don't bother saving the lives of people who couldn't afford healthcare prior to the ACA?

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Just now, Literal Nazi Rudolf Hess said:

My premiums went way up. I want public healthcare, not this shit. 

You didn't answer the question.

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19 minutes ago, Literal Nazi Rudolf Hess said:

My premiums went way up. I want public healthcare, not this shit. 

So you want Bernie's brand of Democratic Socialism.

 

Because that is what "public healthcare" is: Government controlled Single-Payer healthcare.

 

Which is what pretty much every other major first-world country on the face of the earth already has.

 

Just to explain more about the ACA, it was meant to have all 320 million Americans paying for healthcare (paying it to a for-profit health insurance company), and what that would've done is create a large-enough pool of payers that premiums would've started going down.

 

They wouldn't have gone down as much as the per-capita cost of healthcare in other countries. I believe France was the most 'expensive" Single-Payer country at around $4800 per person. But, at the time that Obamacare was in starting to go into effect, healthcare was costing at least $9,000 per each American.

 

The other thing Obamacare did was that it forced insurance companies to allow people with pre-existing conditions......which is one of the most awful and heartbreaking things about ever allowing CAPITALISM to fucking dictate healthcare.

 

 

This is why I don't totally bash Obamacare..........because this one thing was important, and I credit Obamacare with accomplishing that. This is fucking heartbreaking that this was happening in America.

 

One in four Americans have a pre-existing condition.

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