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18 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said:

What law was broken? What is the crime? You idiots keep saying this over and over and over again yet not one human being on Earth can cite a statute of law which has been broken

 

Unreal...

Is that so.... let me just pull up the first law he broke in this. 

 

"Faithful execution of the law does not permit the President to substitute his own policy priorities for those that Congress has enacted into law," the decision by the GAO said.

 

The White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB) "withheld funds for a policy reason, which is not permitted under the Impoundment Control Act (ICA)", the ruling continued.

 

The 1974 Impoundment Control Act says it is illegal for the White House to withhold aid appropriated by Congress. 

 

 It also says the White House must first alert Congress before it delays or blocked funds, which the Trump administration did not do.

 

 

You were saying? :cmpunk2:

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1 hour ago, SheepKilla said:

I've been watching CNN for years.

 

if you think they aren't one-sided, no wonder your retarded ass is legitimately wanting Trump impeached for ""high crimes"". :pacspit:

High crimes are stated in the constitution you dolt. 

 

Glad you moved away from the opinion piece... you were starting to embarrass yourself even more :sabu:

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The case for impeachment is even more flimsy than the fact that Trump isn't accused of committing any crimes.

 

By the Dems' own standards Trump didn't endanger US national security by withholding lethal aid to Ukraine because Obama and the Dems outright refused to do so themselves. Can any Dem on this board cite where they protested Obama's decision? Anyone? Ya'll only started caring about it when the leftwing punditry told you to start caring about it. You're complete phonies. 

 

And Hunter Biden clearly engaged in unethical pay-to-play, and he and Joe and should be investigated. 

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5 minutes ago, Saucer said:

The case for impeachment is even more flimsy than the fact that Trump isn't accused of committing any crimes.

 

By the Dems' own standards Trump didn't endanger US national security by withholding lethal aid to Ukraine because Obama and the Dems outright refused to do so themselves. Can any Dem on this board cite where they protested Obama's decision? Anyone? Ya'll only started caring about it when the leftwing punditry told you to start caring about it. You're complete phonies. 

 

And Hunter Biden clearly engaged in unethical pay-to-play, and he and Joe and should be investigated. 

Oh you better believe they will be, and not just them, I have a feeling a lot of people in the House are going to come under investigation over this as well. 

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15 minutes ago, Saucer said:

 

LOL!!!

All while you're in a thread about an opinion piece on CNN that gives you the other side of the coin :tom5:

 

Lmfao Saucer Lmfao. 

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1 hour ago, Goukosan said:

All while you're in a thread about an opinion piece on CNN that gives you the other side of the coin :tom5:

 

Lmfao Saucer Lmfao. 

 

"always"

 

LOL!!!

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7 hours ago, DynamiteCop! said:

What law was broken? What is the crime? You idiots keep saying this over and over and over again yet not one human being on Earth can cite a statute of law which has been broken. 

 

Unreal...

Abuse of power and Obstruction of Justice.

 

Its literally ONE of the things ACTUALLY WRITTEN IN THE FUCKING CONSTITUTION.........for removing a President.

 

Blackmail is, indeed, a crime.

 

But, in terms of constitutional authority, he is literally committing abuse of power, and a blatant one.

 

Dude............you not smart enough, your circular argument tactic isn't working.

 

You already the crimes.......you understand them in a JUDICIAL/CRIMINAL sense, and in a CONSTITUTIONAL sense.

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6 hours ago, Saucer said:

 

 

By the Dems' own standards Trump didn't endanger US national security by withholding lethal aid to Ukraine because Obama and the Dems outright refused to do so themselves.

No............you are wrong AND lying at the same time.

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At the time, Obama officials were debating whether to send lethal military equipment amid the conflict with Russia, particularly Javelin anti-tank missiles. Obama rejected a request from Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko for lethal aid in 2014, though the White House approved a $53 million aid package that included vehicles, patrol boats, body armor and night-vision goggles, as well as humanitarian assistance.

 

U.S. officials were concerned that providing the Javelins to Ukraine would escalate their conflict with Russia. Key allies, including Germany, were not keen on sending weapons into the conflict zone, said Michael Kofman, an expert on Russia and senior research scientist at the CNA Corporation.

 

Between 2014 and 2016, the United States committed more than $600 million in security assistance to Ukraine.

 

They literally denied them from access to certain weapons BECAUSE they wanted to avoid escalating a war.

 

That is the very definition of National Security.

 

Why are you repeating false Republican talking points?

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Compare this to the Trump story now coming out.

 

 

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Trump wondered how long Ukraine could last in fight with Russia, recording shows

One of the tape's participants alleges Marie Yovanovitch was badmouthing Trump to embassy staff in Kyiv.

by KYLE CHENEY

01/25/2020 05:12 PM EST

President Donald Trump wondered how long Ukraine would survive in a fight against Russia, according to an audio recording from a private dinner in which he also calls for the summary dismissal of then-U.S. ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch.

A recording of the April 30, 2018, dinner was released Saturday by a lawyer for Lev Parnas, an indicted associate of Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani. Parnas was one of the attendees at the dinner, which was held at the Trump Hotel in Washington, D.C.

"Think Russia ever goes in and gets Ukraine?" Trump asks one companion.

"They would love to but they're scared of you," someone replies

 

Trump is literally being told that he is in position to squeeze Ukraine and HELP Russia at the same time.

Gee, I wonder if that establishes intent.

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27 minutes ago, jehurey said:

Abuse of power and Obstruction of Justice.

 

Its literally ONE of the things ACTUALLY WRITTEN IN THE FUCKING CONSTITUTION.........for removing a President.

 

Blackmail is, indeed, a crime.

 

But, in terms of constitutional authority, he is literally committing abuse of power, and a blatant one.

 

Dude............you not smart enough, your circular argument tactic isn't working.

 

You already the crimes.......you understand them in a JUDICIAL/CRIMINAL sense, and in a CONSTITUTIONAL sense.

Withholding aid for reasons which cannot be proven as illegal is not a crime, withholding aid in general is not a crime. There's not even a crime in withholding aid to investigate a political opponent, we can withhold aid for literally any reason we see fit, what's the lawful statute which was broken? There's no way to leverage abuse of power because there's no actual evidence of a criminal act taking place. It there were a crime it would be very simple for these people to rattle off federal statutes which had been broken, and yet none have been presented by any of them. 

 

What's also cute is how you're now saying "Blackmail" which was a term coined by fucking focus groups lol, what's being leveraged against him is not even blackmail so it makes absolutely no sense. 

 

Also there is no obstruction because he was not required to cooperate with the Democrat oversight and judiciary committee as they held no power of subpoena or required cooperation from the White House for an impeachment inquiry until a floor vote is taken which renders the inquiry official.

 

So not only do you not have a crime as that has yet to be substantiated and proven in any capacity, you have no obstruction because the way things were being managed was not officially recognized. Tulsi Gabbard was right, Democrats should have censured him, it would made a lot more sense, would have actually of made him look bad, and wouldn't have had the ripple effect of GOP attorney's publicly tearing the Democrats case to shreds on national TV and bolstering Trump in the process. 

 

I'm not smart enough? I'm not the one here backing a farce without merit and a losing impeachment battle; you are. You people aren't even up shit creek right now, you're going over the damn waterfall. 

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54 minutes ago, jehurey said:

At the time, Obama officials were debating whether to send lethal military equipment amid the conflict with Russia, particularly Javelin anti-tank missiles. Obama rejected a request from Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko for lethal aid in 2014, though the White House approved a $53 million aid package that included vehicles, patrol boats, body armor and night-vision goggles, as well as humanitarian assistance.

 

U.S. officials were concerned that providing the Javelins to Ukraine would escalate their conflict with Russia. Key allies, including Germany, were not keen on sending weapons into the conflict zone, said Michael Kofman, an expert on Russia and senior research scientist at the CNA Corporation.

 

Between 2014 and 2016, the United States committed more than $600 million in security assistance to Ukraine.

 

Incel Jer quotes source that confirms Obama and the Dems refused to give Ukraine lethal aid. LOL!

 

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Jerry calling anyone dumb is laughs. Jer's so dumb he couldn't even climb his way out of poverty despite being an incel with no wife or kids to support. 

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2 hours ago, DynamiteCop! said:

Withholding aid for reasons which cannot be proven

Except they are proven.

 

Once again..............you're circular argument isn't going to work. This has all been explained.

 

He was doing it for personal benefit..........he was no pressuring Ukraine to investigate coruption........he specifically just wanted the Bidens investigated, and he was looking for an announcement of an investigation instead of an actual investigation.

 

Personal benefit, to win a re-election. Using a foreign country.

 

That's abuse of power.

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1 minute ago, jehurey said:

Except they are proven.

 

Once again..............you're circular argument isn't going to work. This has all been explained.

 

He was doing it for personal benefit..........he was no pressuring Ukraine to investigate coruption........he specifically just wanted the Bidens investigated, and he was looking for an announcement of an investigation instead of an actual investigation.

 

Personal benefit, to win a re-election. Using a foreign country.

 

That's abuse of power.

None of that is proven, you're catastrophically retarded and a danger to intellectual conversation. 

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Got him GHOST DOUBLE-POSTING again........he actually made one post about me......but he was so pissed he followed it up immediately with another post about me.

 

2 hours ago, Saucer said:

 

Incel Jer quotes source that confirms Obama and the Dems refused to give Ukraine lethal aid. LOL!

 

In other words...............you don't have a response to what I just posted, and the distinction that I clearly made.

 

You SPECIFICALLY SAID "Obama's decision was not about National Security"

 

And I just proved that it was.

 

And you RAN AWAY to a even-more half-assed generalization.

 

Check. Next.

2 hours ago, Saucer said:

Jerry calling anyone dumb is laughs. Jer's so dumb he couldn't even climb his way out of poverty despite being an incel with no wife or kids to support. 

I got this guy butthurt entering Day Two.

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Just now, DynamiteCop! said:

None of that is proven, you're catastrophically retarded and a danger to intellectual conversation. 

Yes it is proven.

 

Multiple people.

 

Phone call records.

 

His own lawyer.

 

Biden.

 

ONLY Biden.

 

NOTHING BUT Biden.

 

You're done.

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1 minute ago, jehurey said:

Yes it is proven.

 

Multiple people.

 

Phone call records.

 

His own lawyer.

 

Biden.

 

ONLY Biden.

 

NOTHING BUT Biden.

 

You're done.

None of it is proven, it doesn't matter how many times you repeat yourself or lash out like a petulant child not getting his way. 

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2 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said:

None of it is proven, it doesn't matter how many times you repeat yourself or lash out like a petulant child not getting his way. 

Yes it is proven.

 

Trump has even said it on the front lawn of the White House.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-publicly-urges-china-ukraine-investigate-bidens-amid-impeachment-inquiry-n1061956

 

On Video........in his own words. Confirming that he wanted that from Ukraine, and he wants other couintries to investigate Biden as well.

 

Now who am I going to believe........................YOU?????

 

...........or my lying ears and eyes?:mjgrin:

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