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11 minutes ago, Voidler said:

On the one hand it looks totally crazy

 

On the other hand, you legitimately can have an outsider run and win and the people pick the president - not the party. In Aus we pick the party, they can knife and replace the prime minister anytime they want, and they do. We haven’t seen a PM Not get ousted since 2008

 

Id much rather something like the US system, for all its issues

Disagree tbh, based solely on the monetary side of things that are a part of American politics. There is no donations, corporations investing in politicians and superdeletes whose votes is worth more and all that ass here. Each party picks someone to represent them then they have to be somewhat united and then whoever wins the election the entire country shits on till the next one. We care for about a week then get on with it. Sure it means we aren’t voting for a person but a party but who cares, whoever the leader is hardly matters outside of a face to vote for. Whoever labor or liberal choose to lead has no relevance on what laws would pass, same in the US, Bernie can win then be blocked every time by fellow democrats and republicans with passing things through. 

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3 hours ago, madmaltese said:

Disagree tbh, based solely on the monetary side of things that are a part of American politics. There is no donations, corporations investing in politicians and superdeletes whose votes is worth more and all that ass here. Each party picks someone to represent them then they have to be somewhat united and then whoever wins the election the entire country shits on till the next one. We care for about a week then get on with it. Sure it means we aren’t voting for a person but a party but who cares, whoever the leader is hardly matters outside of a face to vote for. Whoever labor or liberal choose to lead has no relevance on what laws would pass, same in the US, Bernie can win then be blocked every time by fellow democrats and republicans with passing things through. 

The leader does matter though, and their vision matters. Kevin Rudd had an almost populist appeal by moving Labor further left compared to his predecessors Beazley and Latham who were Liberal lite at best

 

Similar for Hawke, Keating etc. Howard essentially defined the Liberal Government

 

Problem is these parties lose a good leader, and go through 4-5 leaders trying to find somebody that resonates again

 

If the Australian public has a say in who led the parties, we would be electing people we like. I think the way the US does it also brings a greater spectrum of ideas to the table. Just by running in 2016, Bernie shifted policy and behaviour - now everyone has some variant of Medicare 4 All, and half of them avoiding SuperPAC money

 

Nobody liked Shorten or Scomo on Election Day, and now Scomo is probably one of the most hated PMs in recent memory. The next knifing will put the despised Dutton into power most likely

 

 

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3 hours ago, Voidler said:

The leader does matter though, and their vision matters. Kevin Rudd had an almost populist appeal by moving Labor further left compared to his predecessors Beazley and Latham who were Liberal lite at best

 

Similar for Hawke, Keating etc. Howard essentially defined the Liberal Government

 

Problem is these parties lose a good leader, and go through 4-5 leaders trying to find somebody that resonates again

 

If the Australian public has a say in who led the parties, we would be electing people we like. I think the way the US does it also brings a greater spectrum of ideas to the table. Just by running in 2016, Bernie shifted policy and behaviour - now everyone has some variant of Medicare 4 All, and half of them avoiding SuperPAC money

 

Nobody liked Shorten or Scomo on Election Day, and now Scomo is probably one of the most hated PMs in recent memory. The next knifing will put the despised Dutton into power most likely

 

 

The australian people do have a say who the leader is. You can join the party and vote in leadership races. 

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21 hours ago, Cookester15 said:

The australian people do have a say who the leader is. You can join the party and vote in leadership races. 

I believe only the Labor party has a vote and they usually go around it through a leadership spill - which is decided by the elected officials or a pre-decision making the new leader unopposed. Plus there are no term limits in Australia so it generally means that the leadership either ends up retiring and essentially hand picking the successor - or more often being ousted

 

US genuinely refreshes and gives an opportunity for new leadership to run every 4 years

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