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On 2020-02-07 at 10:35 PM, Vini said:

They're not wrong. A large portion of Bernie Bros are cunts

Lmfao you realize that you are talking about yourself right? 

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4 minutes ago, Voidler said:

What is efficient about the US healthcare system as is?

I actually try not to comment much on healthcare because I haven't taken the healthcare economics class...

 

What efficiency means is that something isn't too much, or too little. Such that imagine there is a classroom of people, there has to be sufficient classroom space for the 40 people--too much would be too big of a room, too little would be too small of a room. 

 

but I have anecdotal knowledge about the differences between the VA hospital system and the private hospital system here in the US. 

 

I use the private outpatient services as opposed to the public services offered at the VA. They offer the same services, but I get far more from the private services. For example I get a whole program of services offered to me through outpatient services, where none of that is offered at the VA. There are more specialists, there is peer support, there is more than just a doctor that the VA gives me. 

 

I like the VA, don't get me wrong. But I feel private services are better at specialization. Where as the VA is a stand alone hospital that's supposed to offer everything. 

 

Disclosure: I am a veteran with a disability so the VA is free for me, while it costs money for average people. Just because healthcare is "socialized" doesn't necessarily mean it would be free. 

 

I think that making a public hospital system in the US would make private care more expensive. I feel that medicare for all would clog up the hospital system as there would be no costs for using hospital services, especially emergency services. medicaid allows for free everything, including free emergency room and ambulance services. As much as I feel safe with them, I think that it clogs up the services with a minority of people on medicaid. And don't get me wrong, I'm not against medicaid, I just think medicare for all would worsen these problems.  

 

 

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3 minutes ago, GeorgeW1000 said:

I actually try not to comment much on healthcare because I haven't taken the healthcare economics class...

 

What efficiency means is that something isn't too much, or too little. Such that imagine there is a classroom of people, there has to be sufficient classroom space for the 40 people--too much would be too big of a room, too little would be too small of a room. 

 

but I have anecdotal knowledge about the differences between the VA hospital system and the private hospital system here in the US. 

 

I use the private outpatient services as opposed to the public services offered at the VA. They offer the same services, but I get far more from the private services. For example I get a whole program of services offered to me through outpatient services, where none of that is offered at the VA. There are more specialists, there is peer support, there is more than just a doctor that the VA gives me. 

 

I like the VA, don't get me wrong. But I feel private services are better at specialization. Where as the VA is a stand alone hospital that's supposed to offer everything. 

 

Disclosure: I am a veteran with a disability so the VA is free for me, while it costs money for average people. Just because healthcare is "socialized" doesn't necessarily mean it would be free. 

 

I think that making a public hospital system in the US would make private care more expensive. I feel that medicare for all would clog up the hospital system as there would be no costs for using hospital services, especially emergency services. medicaid allows for free everything, including free emergency room and ambulance services. As much as I feel safe with them, I think that it clogs up the services with a minority of people on medicaid. And don't get me wrong, I'm not against medicaid, I just think medicare for all would worsen these problems.  

 

 

It's sad how short sighted Republicans are. I'll just start ground floor, a healthier population is better for the country. The number of people who forgo preventive health procedures is a national crisis. You talk about free ambulances but no one should receive an 800 bill for being rushed to a hospital. 

 

A month ago I was out and a man's young child passed out and people were helping the man. One was calling for an ambulance and he begged them not to. You can tell it was about the cost, one person then called them an uber to the nearest hospital and he agreed. This is also something I have seen a number of times over the years. People who are willing to go to the emergency room taking car services instead, or people waiting til things are really bad before being willing to go. 

 

We can't be proud about having the most advanced fighter jets in the world and yet have parents afraid to take their kids to the hospital. 

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1 minute ago, Liquid said:

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It's sad how short sighted Republicans are. I'll just start ground floor, a healthier population is better for the country. The number of people who forgo preventive health procedures is a national crisis. You talk about free ambulances but no one should receive an 800 bill for being rushed to a hospital. 

 

A month ago I was out and a man's young child passed out and people were helping the man. One was calling for an ambulance and he begged them not to. You can tell it was about the cost, one person then called them an uber to the nearest hospital and he agreed. This is also something I have seen a number of times over the years. People who are willing to go to the emergency room taking car services instead, or people waiting til things are really bad before being willing to go. 

 

We can't be proud about having the most advanced fighter jets in the world and yet have parents afraid to take their kids to the hospital. 

$800 is not too much for life saving care, that's like nothing. Even more it's based on a system of credit, so you can pay it back when you can. 

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1 minute ago, GeorgeW1000 said:

$800 is not too much for life saving care, that's like nothing. Even more it's based on a system of credit, so you can pay it back when you can. 

Like 30 to 40 of the country can't absorb an unseen 500 dollar expense. Besides when you're going to a hospital, the ambulance is the first of many expenses. 

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1 minute ago, Liquid said:

Like 30 to 40 of the country can't absorb an unseen 500 dollar expense. Besides when you're going to a hospital, the ambulance is the first of many expenses. 

I actually think that $1400 isn't too much for ambulance care, and it only sucks if you're repeatedly using those services. 

 

I've used an ambulance many times and my insurance didn't cover it. I paid it back with student loans. That was at my lowest point and it was still no problem for me. 

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1 hour ago, GeorgeW1000 said:

$800 is not too much for life saving care, that's like nothing. Even more it's based on a system of credit, so you can pay it back when you can. 

No. You're wrong.

 

Over half of American households do not have enough free money hand for an emergency $400 expenditure, right now.

 

And if you were remotely correct..............medical bankruptcy wouldn't be the leading cause of all bankruptcy in America.

 

You really are an idiot...................especially with your moronic explaination regarding "efficiency"

 

Efficiency means you run the program, and the program achieves everything you want it to achieve.........and you do at the lowest possible cost.

 

That's efficiency.

 

Not your idiotic "pourage is just right" explaination.

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1 hour ago, GeorgeW1000 said:

I actually think that $1400 isn't too much for ambulance care, and it only sucks if you're repeatedly using those services. 

 

I've used an ambulance many times and my insurance didn't cover it. I paid it back with student loans. That was at my lowest point and it was still no problem for me. 

Doesn't matter what you think.

 

You're pretty stupid to pay ambulance costs with student loans, so you're not really helping your argument.

 

It really is a shame that you're that much of a sucker that you can't actually support things that in your best interest.

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16 minutes ago, GeorgeW1000 said:

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I love these idiotic facebook posts in which they don't know anything about socialism.

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16 minutes ago, jehurey said:

No. You're wrong.

 

Over half of American households do not have enough free money hand for an emergency $400 expenditure, right now.

 

And if you were remotely correct..............medical bankruptcy wouldn't be the leading cause of all bankruptcy in America.

 

You really are an idiot...................especially with your moronic explaination regarding "efficiency"

 

Efficiency means you run the program, and the program achieves everything you want it to achieve.........and you do at the lowest possible cost.

 

That's efficiency.

 

Not your idiotic "pourage is just right" explaination.

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What is Economic Efficiency?

Economic efficiency is when all goods and factors of production in an economy are distributed or allocated to their most valuable uses and waste is eliminated or minimized.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/e/economic_efficiency.asp

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2 hours ago, GeorgeW1000 said:

I actually think that $1400 isn't too much for ambulance care, and it only sucks if you're repeatedly using those services. 

 

I've used an ambulance many times and my insurance didn't cover it. I paid it back with student loans. That was at my lowest point and it was still no problem for me. 

... :|

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29 minutes ago, GeorgeW1000 said:

What's wrong with that? People act like paying for something drains your life force or something. 

I pay $1500 a year and could have a whole family accessing universal healthcare. Fucking $1400 for one ambulance trip and you think that is fine :mindblown:

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2 minutes ago, Voidler said:

I pay $1500 a year and could have a whole family accessing universal healthcare. Fucking $1400 for one ambulance trip and you think that is fine :mindblown:

You have to think about more than the costs, but the availability of ambulances on the street. Will there be an ambulance if you call? There better be one if you're having an emergency. High price helps keep something always available. Id rather the prices be high and have something available than costs be non existent and I can't get one.  

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1 hour ago, GeorgeW1000 said:

which means the lowest cost for what you are trying to attain.............not a "middle" cost.

 

You just proved yourself wrong.

 

1 hour ago, GeorgeW1000 said:

Jerry has a child's way of understanding things. 

No. It turns out you're an idiot.

 

And you sorta know that because I corrected you on your Diabetes Obamacare post.........and you ran away with your tail in your legs.

 

You really think you can just pretend to play confident when you post.............but I've already made you look stupid several times, and more importantly........SEEN YOU RUN AWAY because you know you were wrong, but were too embarrassed to admit it.

 

Sorry, doesn't work.

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1 hour ago, GeorgeW1000 said:

What's wrong with that? People act like paying for something drains your life force or something. 

DO you think an Ambulance service is actually WORTH $1400?

 

Pretty sure you need money to live............and if you don't have it, it does drain your prospects of life.

 

Guess you haven't out that part yet.

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1 minute ago, jehurey said:

which means the lowest cost for what you are trying to attain.............not a "middle" cost.

 

You just proved yourself wrong.

 

No. It turns out you're an idiot.

 

And you sorta know that because I corrected you on your Diabetes Obamacare post.........and you ran away with your tail in your legs.

 

You really think you can just pretend to play confident when you post.............but I've already made you look stupid several times, and more importantly........SEEN YOU RUN AWAY because you know you were wrong, but were too embarrassed to admit it.

 

Sorry, doesn't work.

I just don't reply to you because you're a waste of time and a waste of air. 

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46 minutes ago, GeorgeW1000 said:

You have to think about more than the costs, but the availability of ambulances on the street. Will there be an ambulance if you call? There better be one if you're having an emergency. High price helps keep something always available. Id rather the prices be high and have something available than costs be non existent and I can't get one.  

Pretty sure Single Payer countries have just as much availability in ambulances.

 

Once again............Single Payer is a PAYMENT METHOD............its doesn't control the QUALITY of the healthcare service.

 

There aren't a whole bunch of ambulances on the street because healthcare is privitized. There's a whole bunch of ambulances on the street because of the simple laws of Supply and Demand.

 

In anything, people not having insurance and letting their condition get so bad that they need emergency ambulances increases the amount of ambulances in a country. Which is incredibly inefficient. (which probably explains the cost).

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