Roe v Wade was overturned.

[54212 432]

1 minute ago, Ramza said:

Pretty much. Can't believe I'm wasting my weed buzz for this shit. 

 

LOL me too.  

[Mr. House 3,371]

Just now, jehurey said:

No, because they're already doing legislation to stop those as well.

 

And once again............you don't actually have conclusive numbers about white abortions or black abortions.

 

because you don't even have all reporting for all 50 states. make no mistake, you are dumb and uninformed.

It's missing 4-5 states because they don't record abortion data or some shit, still a close estimate from legit sources. I never said those were anything more than estimates but no conclusive and %100 factual data exists so sorry for using the best and the closest thing we can get instead. 

[jehurey 3,222]

Just now, Ramza said:

It's missing 4-5 states because they don't record abortion data or some shit

yeah, that's called inconclusive data.

 

you just tried to debunk MY US census data as not being 100% accurate............and you're dumbass is trying to promote your report that is missing entire state's reporting.

 

remind me again about you supposedly not pretending to be dumb?

[54212 432]

17 minutes ago, jehurey said:

and I was never making an argument about ratios.............but rather dismissing them because the lady making the claim is talking about PURE RAW NUMBER of population.

 

She's talking about maintaining a white majority which is a ratio. And the argument is ridiculous because it's premised on the idea that you can maintain a white majority by stopping white abortions while letting all other races abort to their heart's content. How would that even work in practice? But then Remy tried to tie it to Roe, which makes zero sense because overturning Roe will almost certainly increase the per capita fertility rate of blacks  more than whites, and therefore speed up whites losing their majority.

 

I legitimately wonder if you're retarded.

 

Edited June 28, 2022 by Saucer

[jehurey 3,222]

59 minutes ago, Ramza said:

You never looked at my data, haven't you?

 

It's not technically raw data because no such thing excist but this is a close total estimate. Scroll down a bit, that's the total abortions per year.

 

Estimates for abortion by race/ethnicity were produced as follows: For years 1989-2017, available abortion data by race/ethnicity of mother were compiled from CDC abortion surveillance reports and supplemented by state health agency reporting. Live birth data by race/ethnicity of child were compiled from CDC birth reporting (e.g., Martin et al., 2017). Total abortions for each state are based on data reported by the CDC or the states supplemented by the author's estimates (Johnston, 2018, 2019). Proportions of reported abortions by race/ethnicity are applied to total abortions for each state. For states where abortion data by race/ethnicity are incomplete (either not all four groups are included or data are missing for some years), abortions are estimated assuming consistency in relative abortion ratios for the four groups. Where no data by race/ethnicity are available at all for a state (Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, New Hampshire), relative abortion ratios are assumed similar to overall national values. For years 1971-1988, estimates are highly uncertain. Estimates of Hispanic population were used to estimate white Hispanic and non-Hispanic live births. Guttmacher Institute abortions estimates are available for 1973-1988 for white (both Hispanic and non-Hispanic) and non-white (both black and other) women. Estimated breakdowns for the four groups were produced based on comparisons to live birth data. Abortion data by race is available for 1971 for New York City and Hawaii (Nelson et al., 1972; Zimring, 1971), which account for nearly half of estimated 1971 abortions nationwide.

oh my god, i did a google search on the text, and it is coming from a website called the "Johnston Archive"

 

its literally one guy..........and this is what his website looks like

 

https://www.johnstonsarchive.net/faqusage.html

 

 

Quote

FAQ on use of material from this site

 

last modified 13 May 2008

 

 

---

 

 

• Johnston's Archive is copyrighted by Wm. Robert Johnston. The information contained herein is accurate to the best of my knowledge (corrections are welcome).

[jehurey 3,222]

Just now, Saucer said:

 

She's talking about maintaining a white majority which is a ratio.

but she's talking about the ENTIRETY of people who have been getting abortions..........which is FULL POPULATION OF THAT GROUP

 

oh man, I am absolutely schooling you right now.

 

you really are stupid if you thought that was gonna work.

 

did that actually take you a FULL HALF HOUR to come up with that extremely weak excuse that I just debunked in about 2 minutes?????????

[Mr. House 3,371]

2 minutes ago, jehurey said:

oh my god, i did a google search on the text, and it is coming from a website called the "Johnston Archive"

 

its literally one guy..........and this is what his website looks like

 

https://www.johnstonsarchive.net/faqusage.html

 

 

Sources: (incomplete)

• Gamble, Sonya B., Lilo T. Strauss, Wilda Y. Parker, Douglas A. Cook, Suzanne B. Zane, and Saeed Hamdan, 28 Nov. 2008, "Abortion surveillance誘nited States, 2005," Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, 57(13):1-32, on line at Centers for Disease Control [https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/PDF/ss/ss5713.pdf].
• Jatlaoui, Tara C., Maegan E. Boutot, Michele G. Mandel, Maura K. Whiteman, Angeline Ti, Emily Petersen, and Karen Pazol, 23 Nov. 2018, "Abortion surveillance誘nited States, 2015," Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, 67(13):1-48, on line at Centers for Disease Control [http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/67/ss/pdfs/ss6713a1-H.PDF].
• Jatlaoui, Tara C., Alexander Ewing, Michele G. Mandel, Katharine B. Simmons, Danielle B. Suchdev, Denise J. Jamieson, and Karen Pazol, 25 Nov. 2016, "Abortion surveillance誘nited States, 2016, Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, 65(12):1-43, on line at Centers for Disease Control [http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/65/ss/pdfs/ss6512.pdf].
• Johnston, Wm. Robert, 30 May 2017, "United States: Estimated abortions, 2012-2015," AWR Working Paper 13, on line at Global Life Campaign.
• Johnston, Wm. Robert, Dec. 2018, "United States: Historical abortion statistics by state," Johnston's Archive, on line [http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/index.html#US].
• Martin, Joyce A., Brady E. Hamilton, Michelle J. K. Osterman, Anne K. Driscoll, and T. J. Mathews, 5 Jan. 2017, "Births: Final data for 2015," NVSR, 66(1), on line at CDC [https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr66/nvsr66_01.pdf].
• Nelson, Frieda G., Jean Pakter, and Donna O'Hare, "Experience with abortion reporting in New York City following liberalization of the law," 31-41.
• Pazol, Karen, Andreea A. Creanga, Kim D. Burley, Brenda Hayes, and Denise J. Jamieson, 29 Nov. 2013, "Abortion Surveillance--United States, 2010," MMWR Surveillance Summaries, 62(8):1-44, on line at Centers for Disease Control [http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/pdf/ss/ss6208.pdf].
• Pazol, Karen, Andreea A. Creanga, Kim D. Burley, and Denise J. Jamison, 28 Nov. 2014, "Abortion surveillance--United States, 2011," Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, 62(11):1-41, on line at Centers for Disease Control [http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/pdf/ss/ss6311.pdf].
• Pazol, Karen, Andreea A. Creanga, and Denise J. Jamison, 27 Nov. 2015, "Abortion surveillance--United States, 2012," Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, 64(10):1-40, on line at Centers for Disease Control [http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/pdf/ss/ss6410.pdf].
• Pazol, Karen, Andreea A. Creanga, Suzanne B. Zane, Kim D. Burley, and Denise J. Jamieson, 23 Nov. 2012, "Abortion Surveillance--United States, 2009," MMWR Surveillance Summaries, 61(8), on line at Centers for Disease Control [http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/pdf/ss/ss6108.pdf].
• Pazol, Karen, Sonya B. Gamble, Wilda Y. Parker, Douglas A. Cook, Suzanne B. Zane, and Saeed Hamdan, 27 Nov. 2009, "Abortion Surveillance--United States, 2006," MMWR Surveillance Summaries, 58(SS-8), on line at Centers for Disease Control [http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/PDF/ss/ss5808.pdf].
• Pazol, Karen, Suzanne B. Zane, Wilda Y. Parker, Laura R. Hall, Cynthia Berg, and Douglas A. Cook, 25 Nov. 2011b, "Abortion Surveillance--United States, 2008," MMWR Surveillance Summaries, 60(15), on line at Centers for Disease Control [http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/PDF/ss/ss6015.pdf].
• Pazol, Karen, Suzanne B. Zane, Wilda Y. Parker, Laura R. Hall, Sonya B. Gamble, Saeed Hamdan, Cynthia Berg, and Douglas A. Cook, 25 Feb. 2011a, "Abortion Surveillance--United States, 2007," MMWR Surveillance Summaries, 60(1), on line at Centers for Disease Control [http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/PDF/ss/ss6001.pdf].
• Zimring, Franklin E., 1971, "Of doctors, deterrence, and the dark figure of crime--A note on abortion in Hawaii," Univ. of Chicago Law Review, 39:699-721.

Estimates for abortion by race/ethnicity were produced as follows: For years 1989-2017, available abortion data by race/ethnicity of mother were compiled from CDC abortion surveillance reports and supplemented by state health agency reporting. Live birth data by race/ethnicity of child were compiled from CDC birth reporting (e.g., Martin et al., 2017). Total abortions for each state are based on data reported by the CDC or the states supplemented by the author's estimates (Johnston, 2018, 2019). Proportions of reported abortions by race/ethnicity are applied to total abortions for each state. For states where abortion data by race/ethnicity are incomplete (either not all four groups are included or data are missing for some years), abortions are estimated assuming consistency in relative abortion ratios for the four groups. Where no data by race/ethnicity are available at all for a state (Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, New Hampshire), relative abortion ratios are assumed similar to overall national values. For years 1971-1988, estimates are highly uncertain. Estimates of Hispanic population were used to estimate white Hispanic and non-Hispanic live births. Guttmacher Institute abortions estimates are available for 1973-1988 for white (both Hispanic and non-Hispanic) and non-white (both black and other) women. Estimated breakdowns for the four groups were produced based on comparisons to live birth data. Abortion data by race is available for 1971 for New York City and Hawaii (Nelson et al., 1972; Zimring, 1971), which account for nearly half of estimated 1971 abortions nationwide.

 

No sure let's go by you random assumptions instead.

 

Show me more reliable data or makes sound arguments or gtfo.

 

[jehurey 3,222]

7 minutes ago, Ramza said:

Sources: (incomplete)

• Gamble, Sonya B., Lilo T. Strauss, Wilda Y. Parker, Douglas A. Cook, Suzanne B. Zane, and Saeed Hamdan, 28 Nov. 2008, "Abortion surveillance誘nited States, 2005," Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, 57(13):1-32, on line at Centers for Disease Control [https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/PDF/ss/ss5713.pdf].
• Jatlaoui, Tara C., Maegan E. Boutot, Michele G. Mandel, Maura K. Whiteman, Angeline Ti, Emily Petersen, and Karen Pazol, 23 Nov. 2018, "Abortion surveillance誘nited States, 2015," Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, 67(13):1-48, on line at Centers for Disease Control [http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/67/ss/pdfs/ss6713a1-H.PDF].
• Jatlaoui, Tara C., Alexander Ewing, Michele G. Mandel, Katharine B. Simmons, Danielle B. Suchdev, Denise J. Jamieson, and Karen Pazol, 25 Nov. 2016, "Abortion surveillance誘nited States, 2016, Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, 65(12):1-43, on line at Centers for Disease Control [http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/65/ss/pdfs/ss6512.pdf].
• Johnston, Wm. Robert, 30 May 2017, "United States: Estimated abortions, 2012-2015," AWR Working Paper 13, on line at Global Life Campaign.
• Johnston, Wm. Robert, Dec. 2018, "United States: Historical abortion statistics by state," Johnston's Archive, on line [http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/index.html#US].
• Martin, Joyce A., Brady E. Hamilton, Michelle J. K. Osterman, Anne K. Driscoll, and T. J. Mathews, 5 Jan. 2017, "Births: Final data for 2015," NVSR, 66(1), on line at CDC [https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr66/nvsr66_01.pdf].
• Nelson, Frieda G., Jean Pakter, and Donna O'Hare, "Experience with abortion reporting in New York City following liberalization of the law," 31-41.
• Pazol, Karen, Andreea A. Creanga, Kim D. Burley, Brenda Hayes, and Denise J. Jamieson, 29 Nov. 2013, "Abortion Surveillance--United States, 2010," MMWR Surveillance Summaries, 62(8):1-44, on line at Centers for Disease Control [http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/pdf/ss/ss6208.pdf].
• Pazol, Karen, Andreea A. Creanga, Kim D. Burley, and Denise J. Jamison, 28 Nov. 2014, "Abortion surveillance--United States, 2011," Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, 62(11):1-41, on line at Centers for Disease Control [http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/pdf/ss/ss6311.pdf].
• Pazol, Karen, Andreea A. Creanga, and Denise J. Jamison, 27 Nov. 2015, "Abortion surveillance--United States, 2012," Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, 64(10):1-40, on line at Centers for Disease Control [http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/pdf/ss/ss6410.pdf].
• Pazol, Karen, Andreea A. Creanga, Suzanne B. Zane, Kim D. Burley, and Denise J. Jamieson, 23 Nov. 2012, "Abortion Surveillance--United States, 2009," MMWR Surveillance Summaries, 61(8), on line at Centers for Disease Control [http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/pdf/ss/ss6108.pdf].
• Pazol, Karen, Sonya B. Gamble, Wilda Y. Parker, Douglas A. Cook, Suzanne B. Zane, and Saeed Hamdan, 27 Nov. 2009, "Abortion Surveillance--United States, 2006," MMWR Surveillance Summaries, 58(SS-8), on line at Centers for Disease Control [http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/PDF/ss/ss5808.pdf].
• Pazol, Karen, Suzanne B. Zane, Wilda Y. Parker, Laura R. Hall, Cynthia Berg, and Douglas A. Cook, 25 Nov. 2011b, "Abortion Surveillance--United States, 2008," MMWR Surveillance Summaries, 60(15), on line at Centers for Disease Control [http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/PDF/ss/ss6015.pdf].
• Pazol, Karen, Suzanne B. Zane, Wilda Y. Parker, Laura R. Hall, Sonya B. Gamble, Saeed Hamdan, Cynthia Berg, and Douglas A. Cook, 25 Feb. 2011a, "Abortion Surveillance--United States, 2007," MMWR Surveillance Summaries, 60(1), on line at Centers for Disease Control [http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/PDF/ss/ss6001.pdf].
• Zimring, Franklin E., 1971, "Of doctors, deterrence, and the dark figure of crime--A note on abortion in Hawaii," Univ. of Chicago Law Review, 39:699-721.

Estimates for abortion by race/ethnicity were produced as follows: For years 1989-2017, available abortion data by race/ethnicity of mother were compiled from CDC abortion surveillance reports and supplemented by state health agency reporting. Live birth data by race/ethnicity of child were compiled from CDC birth reporting (e.g., Martin et al., 2017). Total abortions for each state are based on data reported by the CDC or the states supplemented by the author's estimates (Johnston, 2018, 2019). Proportions of reported abortions by race/ethnicity are applied to total abortions for each state. For states where abortion data by race/ethnicity are incomplete (either not all four groups are included or data are missing for some years), abortions are estimated assuming consistency in relative abortion ratios for the four groups. Where no data by race/ethnicity are available at all for a state (Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, New Hampshire), relative abortion ratios are assumed similar to overall national values. For years 1971-1988, estimates are highly uncertain. Estimates of Hispanic population were used to estimate white Hispanic and non-Hispanic live births. Guttmacher Institute abortions estimates are available for 1973-1988 for white (both Hispanic and non-Hispanic) and non-white (both black and other) women. Estimated breakdowns for the four groups were produced based on comparisons to live birth data. Abortion data by race is available for 1971 for New York City and Hawaii (Nelson et al., 1972; Zimring, 1971), which account for nearly half of estimated 1971 abortions nationwide.

 

No sure let's go by you random assumptions instead.

 

Show me more reliable data or makes sound arguments or gtfo.

 

so its just a patchwork of different reports of different qualities.

 

yeah, that's not very authorative, either.

 

why are you not posting the source where you are getting this from?

 

post the link

[jehurey 3,222]

even the sources section states "(incomplete)"

 

oh my god.

[Mr. House 3,371]

3 minutes ago, jehurey said:

even the sources section states "(incomplete)"

 

oh my god.

As in, he may have used more sources that are not necessarily stated. You clearly never reached above high school in your education if you think that's enough to discredit his entire research data. Absolutely nothing wrong with that unless you have very few sources to begin with. I don't think he did, though it primarily come from the CDC.

 

You had no problem with CDC statistics and research papers on Covid though, of course. 😂 

[jehurey 3,222]

1 minute ago, Ramza said:

As in, he may have used more sources that are not necessarily stated. You clearly never reached above high school in your education if you think that's enough to discredit his entire research data. Absolutely nothing wrong with that unless you have very few sources to begin with. I don't think he did, though it primarily come from the CDC.

 

You had no problem with CDC statistics and research papers on Covid though, of course. 😂 

post the link to where you are getting this information

 

 

[Mr. House 3,371]

Just now, jehurey said:

post the link to where you are getting this information

 

 

I posted it a few pages back.

 

Abortions in the United States by race (johnstonsarchive.net)

 

 

[jehurey 3,222]

2 minutes ago, Ramza said:

I posted it a few pages back.

 

Abortions in the United States by race (johnstonsarchive.net)

 

 

so i am correct, it was the johnstone archive.

 

and he's not a reputable source...............he's not even an institution.

 

he's just a guy who is just cobbling numbers by himself.

 

yeah.........thanks for losing all of your credibility.

[jehurey 3,222]

 

gee, i wonder why he didn't want to actually link to his "research institute"

 

 

A research institute that has a section for Star Trek, and "A photo album of churches"

 

How lovely, this reference website has EVERYTHING!!!!

[TLHBO 2,158]

6 hours ago, Mr. Impossible said:

Lmfao systemwars was invented 22 years ago, how many people still are as emotionally invested after 2 fucking decades. The moment after you finally have sex with a woman, please come back and tell us how much NPD sales still mean to you. 

When do you ever see me post NPD sales? Oh thats right never because I don't give a fuck.

 

Yoi're here raging and fuming because you can't freely kill babies anymore. You see everything as scary old white supremacy. Maybe you should get laid and stop reading the fear porn that is CNN and you might stop assuming every white person wants to lynch you.

[Mr. House 3,371]

6 hours ago, jehurey said:

so i am correct, it was the johnstone archive.

 

and he's not a reputable source...............he's not even an institution.

 

he's just a guy who is just cobbling numbers by himself.

 

yeah.........thanks for losing all of your credibility.

Post more reliable data that challenge his findings or shut up. I have no problem going with any other sources but you can't come up shorthanded. You're basically in no position to discredit him in any way.

 

It's just the first thing that came up on Google when I searched for abortions per race in the US and it seemed like legit work and data. How accurate it is, I can't say but considering this is mostly compiled data from the CDC it's most likely pretty reliable at giving a good picture on the reality of the situation. Better than you and your wild assumptions anyway.

[54212 432]

 Day 2 of arguing with the village retard. What am I doing? 

 

9 hours ago, jehurey said:

but she's talking about the ENTIRETY of people who have been getting abortions..........which is FULL POPULATION OF THAT GROUP

 

Which she's broken down by racial cohorts, which is how she arrived at the conclusion that "60% of the fetuses aborted every year are white."

 

You have no idea what you're even arguing. You're literally babbling to try and save face that bought into this goofy conspiracy theory. 

[54212 432]

 

8 hours ago, jehurey said:

so i am correct, it was the johnstone archive.

 

and he's not a reputable source...............he's not even an institution.

 

Then use the Guttmacher Institute numbers I posted right from the start, you retard.  They were even published in the American Journal of Public Health.

 

And they're part of Planned Parenthood -- your team.

 

 

This conspiracy theory is going real well for you. 

[Mr. Impossible 407]

7 hours ago, TLHBO said:

When do you ever see me post NPD sales? Oh thats right never because I don't give a fuck.

 

Yoi're here raging and fuming because you can't freely kill babies anymore. You see everything as scary old white supremacy. Maybe you should get laid and stop reading the fear porn that is CNN and you might stop assuming every white person wants to lynch you.

 

Lol this virgin fighting for his honor. 

[Ike★ 2,906]

I'm glad I got a vasectomy already.