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5 hours ago, Twinblade said:

 

Imagine how useful the billions of dollars of equipment they left behind would have been to the Ukrainians....

Not a problem since we have no shortage of weapons. Hence why we have no universal healthcare.

 Some of these are pretty crazy for their time...

Russian State Media describes plan for full blown genocide:

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I took the liberty of highlighting some parts of the article.

Back in April last year we wrote about the inevitability of denazification of Ukraine. We do not need a Nazi, Banderan Ukraine, an enemy of Russia and an instrument of the West to destroy Russia. Today the issue of denazification has moved to the practical plane.

Denazification is necessary when a significant part of the people - most likely its majority - is mastered and dragged by the Nazi regime into its politics. That is, when the hypothesis "the people are good - the government is bad" does not work. Recognition of this fact is the basis of the policy of denazification, of all its activities, and the fact itself constitutes its subject matter.

Ukraine is in just such a situation. The fact that Ukrainian voters voted for "Poroshenko's peace" and "Zelensky's peace" should not be misleading - Ukrainians were quite happy with the shortest route to peace through blitzkrieg, which the last two Ukrainian presidents transparently hinted at when they were elected. It was precisely this method of "pacification" of internal anti-fascists - through total terror - that was used in Odessa, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Mariupol and other Russian cities. And it suited the Ukrainian average citizen quite well. Denazification is a set of measures towards the Nazified mass of the population, which technically cannot be directly punished as war criminals.

Nazis who have taken up arms must be destroyed as much as possible on the battlefield. No significant distinction should be made between the AFU and the so-called National Security Forces, as well as the territorial defence militias that have joined these two types of military formations. All of them are equally engaged in outrageous cruelty against civilians, equally responsible for the genocide of the Russian people, and they do not observe the laws and customs of war. War criminals and active Nazis must be punished approximately and exemplarily. A total lustration must be carried out. Any organisations that have linked themselves with the practice of Nazism must be eliminated and banned. However, in addition to the top brass, a significant portion of the masses of the people who are passive Nazis, collaborators of Nazism, are also guilty. They supported and indulged the Nazi government. Just punishment for this section of the population is possible only as the bearing of the inevitable burdens of a just war against the Nazi system, waged as gently and discreetly as possible against civilians. The further denazification of this mass of the population consists in re-education, which is achieved by ideological repression (suppression) of Nazi attitudes and harsh censorship: not only in the political sphere, but necessarily also in the sphere of culture and education. It was through culture and education that the profound mass Nazification of the population was prepared and carried out, consolidated by the promise of dividends from the Nazi regime's victory over Russia, Nazi propaganda, internal violence and terror, and the eight-year war with the rebel Ukrainian Nazi people of Donbass.

Denazification can only be carried out by the victor, which presupposes (1) his unconditional control over the denazification process and (2) the power to ensure such control. In this respect, the denazified country cannot be sovereign. The denazifying state - Russia - cannot proceed from a liberal approach to denazification. The ideology of the denazifier cannot be challenged by the guilty party undergoing denazification. Russia's recognition of the need for denazification of Ukraine means the recognition that the Crimean scenario is impossible for Ukraine as a whole. However, this scenario was also impossible in 2014 in the rebellious Donbass. Only eight years of resistance to Nazi violence and terror led to internal cohesion and a consciously unequivocal mass refusal to preserve any unity and connection to Ukraine, which defined itself as a Nazi society.

The time frame for denazification can in no way be less than one generation who must be born, grow and mature under the conditions of denazification. The Nazification of Ukraine has lasted for over 30 years - starting at least in 1989 when Ukrainian nationalism gained legal and legitimate forms of political expression and led the movement for "independence" towards Nazism.

The peculiarity of modern Nazified Ukraine is its amorphous and ambivalent nature, which allows Nazism to be disguised as aspirations for "independence" and a "European" (Western, pro-American) path of "development" (in reality, degradation). (in reality - to degradation), to claim that "there is no Nazism in Ukraine, only private sporadic excesses". There is no main Nazi party, no Führer, and no full-fledged racial laws (only a stripped-down version in the form of repression of the Russian language). As a consequence, there is no opposition and no resistance to the regime.

However, all of the above does not make Ukrainian Nazism a "light version" of German Nazism of the first half of the twentieth century. On the contrary - as Ukrainian Nazism is free from such "genre" (political technology in essence) frames and restrictions, it unfolds freely as the fundamental basis of all Nazism - like European and, in its most developed form, American racism. Therefore, denazification cannot be carried out in a compromising way, on the basis of a formula such as "NATO - no, EU - yes". The collective West itself is the designer, source and sponsor of Ukrainian Nazism, while the Western Bandera cadres and their "historical memory" are only one of the instruments of the Nazification of Ukraine. Ukronazism is no less of a threat to peace and Russia than German Nazism of Hitler's modification.

The name "Ukraine" cannot apparently be retained as the title of any fully denazified state formation on territory freed from the Nazi regime. The People's Republics newly established in Nazi-liberated territory must and will grow out of the practice of economic self-government and social welfare, the reconstruction and modernisation of the population's life-support systems.

Their political aspirations in fact cannot be neutral - redemption of guilt towards Russia for treating it as an enemy can only be realized in reliance on Russia in the processes of reconstruction, regeneration and development. No "Marshall Plan" for these territories should be allowed. There can be no "neutrality" in the ideological and practical sense compatible with denazification. The cadres and organisations that are the instruments of denazification in the new denazified republics cannot but rely on the direct power and organisational support of Russia.

Denazification will inevitably be de-Ukrainianisation - a rejection of the large-scale artificial inflation of the ethnic component of the self-identification of the population of the territories of historical Malorossia and Novorossia, which the Soviet authorities started. As a tool of communist superpower, artificial ethnocentrism did not remain orphaned after the fall of communism. In this service capacity, it was taken over by another superpower (power over states) - the superpower of the West. It needs to be returned to its natural boundaries and stripped of its political functionality.

Unlike, say, Georgia and the Baltic countries, Ukraine, as history has shown, is impossible as a nation state, and attempts to "build" such a state inevitably lead to Nazism. Ukrainianism is an artificial anti-Russian construction with no civilizational content of its own, a subordinated element of a foreign and alien civilization. Debanderization in itself will not be enough for denazification - the Banderite element is only a performer and a screen, a disguise for the European project of Nazi Ukraine, so the denazification of Ukraine is also its inevitable de-Europeanization.

The Banderovian top brass must be eliminated, it is impossible to re-educate them. The social "swamp" that actively and passively supported it through action and inaction must survive the hardships of the war and assimilate the experience as a historical lesson and atonement for its guilt. Those who did not support the Nazi regime, who suffered from it and the war it unleashed in Donbass, must be consolidated and organised, must become the support of the new government, its vertical and horizontal. Historical experience shows that wartime tragedies and dramas benefit peoples who have been seduced and carried away by the role of Russia's enemy.

Denazification as the goal of the special military operation itself is understood as a military victory over the Kiev regime, the liberation of territories from armed supporters of Nazification, the elimination of intransigent Nazis, the capture of war criminals and the creation of the systemic conditions for subsequent peacetime denazification.

The latter, in turn, should begin with the organisation of local self-government, police and defence bodies cleansed of Nazi elements, launching on their basis the founding processes of the new republican statehood, integrating this statehood in close cooperation with the Russian denazification agency (newly created or remade, say, from Rossotrudnichestvo), with the adoption under Russian control of a republican regulatory framework (legislation) for denazification, defining boundaries and frameworks directly In this respect Russia should act as a custodian of the Nuremberg process.

All of the above means that in order to achieve the goals of denazification, the support of the population, their transition to Russia after being freed from the terror, violence and ideological pressure of the Kiev regime, after being removed from the informational isolation, is necessary. Of course, it will take some time for people to recover from the shock of military action and to become convinced of Russia's long-term intentions - that "they will not be abandoned". It is impossible to foresee in advance in which territories this mass of population will constitute a critically needed majority. "The Catholic province" (Western Ukraine, comprising five regions) is unlikely to be part of the pro-Russian territories. The line of exclusion, however, will be found by experience. A hostile to Russia, but forcibly neutral and demilitarised Ukraine, with formally banned Nazism, will remain behind it. Russia-haters will go there. A guarantee that this residual Ukraine will remain neutral should be the threat of an immediate continuation of the military operation if the listed requirements are not met. This would probably require a permanent Russian military presence on its territory. From the alienation line and up to the Russian border would be the territory of potential integration into Russian civilisation, anti-fascist in its inner nature.

Ukraine's denazification operation, which began with a military phase, will follow in peacetime the same logic of stages as a military operation. At each of them, irreversible changes will have to be achieved, which will be the results of the corresponding stage. The necessary initial steps of denazification can be defined as follows:

Liquidation of the armed Nazi formations (understood to mean any armed formations of Ukraine, including the Armed Forces of Ukraine), as well as the military, informational and educational infrastructure supporting their activity;

The formation of people's self-government and police (defence and law and order) in the liberated territories, protecting the population from the terror of underground Nazi groups;

-installation of the Russian information space;

-Removal of educational materials and prohibition of educational programmes at all levels that contain Nazi ideological attitudes;

-massive investigations into personal responsibility for war crimes, crimes against humanity, dissemination of Nazi ideology and support for the Nazi regime

-The listing, disclosure of the names of collaborators of the Nazi regime and their forced labour to rebuild the destroyed infrastructure as punishment for their Nazi activities (from among those who will not be subject to the death penalty or imprisonment);

-Adoption at the local level, under Russian curatorship, of primary denazification regulations "from below", banning all types and forms of revival of Nazi ideology;

-Establishing memorials, commemorative signs, monuments to the victims of Ukrainian Nazism, commemorating the heroes of the struggle against it;

The inclusion of a set of anti-fascist and denazification norms in the constitutions of the new People's Republics;

-Creation of permanent denazification bodies for a period of 25 years.

Russia will have no allies in denazification of Ukraine. As this is a purely Russian affair. And also because not just the Bandera version of Nazi Ukraine will be eradicated, but also and above all Western totalitarianism, imposed programs of civilizational degradation and disintegration, mechanisms of subordination to the superpower of the West and the USA.

In order to implement the plan of denazification of Ukraine, Russia itself will have to finally give up its pro-European and pro-Western illusions, to realize itself as the last instance of protection and preservation of those values of historical Europe (Old World), which deserve it and which the West ultimately abandoned, having lost in the struggle for itself. This struggle continued throughout the twentieth century and manifested itself in the World War and the Russian Revolution, inextricably linked to each other.

Russia did everything it could to save the West in the twentieth century. It realised the main Western project, the alternative to capitalism which defeated the nation-states - the socialist, red project. It crushed German Nazism, the monstrous spawn of the crisis of Western civilisation. The last act of Russian altruism was Russia's outstretched hand of friendship, for which Russia received a monstrous blow in the 1990s.

Everything Russia has done for the West, it has done at its own expense, by making the greatest sacrifices. The West eventually rejected all these sacrifices, devalued Russia's contribution to resolving the Western crisis, and decided to take revenge on Russia for the help it unselfishly provided. From here on, Russia will go its own way, without worrying about the fate of the West, building on another part of its legacy: leadership in the global decolonisation process.

As part of this process, Russia has high potential for partnership and alliance with countries that the West has oppressed for centuries and have no intention of putting its yoke back on. Without Russian sacrifice and struggle, these countries would not have been liberated. The denazification of Ukraine is at the same time its decolonisation, something the Ukrainian population will have to realise as it begins to free itself from the ghosts, temptations and dependencies of the so-called European choice.

Source (in Russian): ria *dot* ru / 20220403/ukraina-1781469605.html

15 hours ago, Twinblade said:

 

The Afghanistan withdrawal was an absolute failure that weakened the U.S. on the world stage and nearly everyone would agree with that regardless of political affiliation. Sometimes I think you're living in an alternate dimension.

The pullout was gonna be a shitshow no matter what. That's what happens when you lose a war...

Crazy watching this and knowing it isn't a game:

https://twitter.com/luxification1/st...G9IcVJkrI-xxBA


The Russian manifesto for genocide was released today.
State website RIA Novosti calls for UA statehood to be destroyed. Openly justifies the need for ethnic cleansing and mass repression.
"Denazification" = "de-Ukrainization".
Moscow's Ukraine Solution.


Here are some highlights from their article on "What should be done in Ukraine:

-The Bandera elite must be liquidated, its re-education is impossible.

-The terms of denazification can in no way be less than one generation, which must be born, grow up and reach maturity under the conditions of denazification.

-The name "Ukraine" apparently cannot be retained as the title of any fully denazified state entity in a territory liberated from the Nazi regime.

-Denazification will inevitably also be a de-Ukrainization.

-Unlike, say, Georgia and the Baltic countries , Ukraine, as history has shown, is impossible as a nation state, and attempts to "build" one naturally lead to Nazism. Ukrainism is an artificial anti-Russian construction that does not have its own civilizational content, a subordinate element of an alien and alien civilization.

-The denazifying state - Russia - cannot proceed from a liberal approach with regard to denazification. The ideology of the denazifier cannot be disputed by the guilty party subjected to denazification.

-Further denazification of this mass of the population consists in re-education, which is achieved by ideological repression (suppression) of Nazi attitudes and strict censorship

Russia as a nation is practiacally a cult

https://v.redd.it/2a6x1jvh94r81

On 2022-03-24 at 12:14 PM, Twinblade said:

 
Why do so many liberals want Ukraine to just surrender? Why are you so afraid of Putin? 
 

Biden just said that he would respond if Putin uses chemical weapons. Not unlike when Obama said Russia would be crossing a red line if they used chemical weapons in Syria.

 
Russia used them back then in Syria, and Obama did nothing.

 
If the same weapons are used again, Biden will probably whine and nap it off afterwards because as we’ve seen before democrats are all talk and no action.  
 

Nobody wants to talk about it, but Trump warned that he would bomb Syrian forces if they used chemical weapons again back in 2018. And he not only kept his word, but many Russians working with Assad’s forces were killed in those attacks.  
 
Bullies like Putin only understand force, and that move put him in his place. There’s a reason he didn’t even look in Ukraine’s direction when Trump was president.

 
Now that Obama 2.0 is in office, Putin knows he can do whatever he wants.

TBF, there's about 6,000 reasons to be afraid

Do I want Ukraine to surrennder? no. But I do believe that stoppinng the killinng should be the firsr priority with negotionations. The proble is that Russia's demands have been very unrealistic. 

The GQP are fucking demons.

4 hours ago, Cooke said:

Calling for a no fly zone that would lead to nuclear war? That's one of them. 

You're not wrong. I noticed that on Reddit. Though IDK if they're lefties or just edgy 14 year olds.

But the media is no help either.

6 hours ago, Mr. Impossible said:

Even tho aza is a creep with terrible taste in music, any sort of "brain washing" should be taken with some consideration of the environment he lives in. There were thousands of Americans who actually thought that JFK Jr was actually alive and aligned with Donald Trump. 

 

At least Aza has the state media excuse. What is Twinblade's excuse for thinking Donald Trump ended the drone program? Or Cooke blaming Biden for the XL pipeline not currently transporting fuel? 

TBF, Russian state media infiltrated our airwaves a long time ago:

lol this one was good. 

4 minutes ago, Cell said:

If the last two world wars are anything to go by you fucks won’t show up until half way through anyway. 
 

Nobody is gonna show up. 
Remote warfare. AKA work from bunker:

3 minutes ago, Twinblade said:

 

If you truly believe Fox is far right, then you pretty much have no idea what you're talking about.

 

And 95% of conservatives are against Putin. Also, why aren't you mentioning the leftists that are on his side? Code Pink just had a rally in D.C blaming U.S. and NATO for the war. But of course you would conveniently ignore that.

It's been far right. You litereally have Tucker Carlson spitting white nationalist agiprop. 

28 minutes ago, Twinblade said:

 
Don’t be mad that fox is the only news channel people watch.

"news"

Just now, Twinblade said:

 
tucker was literally the only person on fox to say anything remotely positive in regards to Russia/Putin. There front page is constantly full of news stories condemning Russia. Enough with the fake news.

Ingraham was defending the Oligarchs from the sanctionns a few days ago.

4 hours ago, Goukosan said:

My right leaning Karen friends are comparing their "fight for their freedoms" over mask and vaccine mandates over the last two years during the pandemic to Ukraine's fight for their freedom against the Russian invasion. 

 

They're also spit balling theories that Putin is playing the good guy here to expose Ukraine's corruption with the Biden's. And some other nut ball theories they pulled out of their asses to make America or more specifically the Biden Administration the bad guys in this conflict.   They would rather support Putin and Russia than the current administration. 

 

You cannot make this shit up if you tried😐

 

That's the kind of people fox, OAN, news max was going after with their Putin praise and Ukraine is not a democracy BS. 

 

 

 

 

This was all the work of Russia. Really tap into the American psychie and make a mess of it.

I guess you can call this a World Proxy War. Russia is sending in Syrians. 
 

It’s also a RL horde mode for Ukraine. And they have the high score.

18 minutes ago, jehurey said:

classic sitcom premise.

 

anyways, Zelensky is pleading for some sort of no-fly zone, but quite frankly that just cannot happen from a NATO country or NATO planes, because Putin would consider it as the west officially entering and participating in the war.

 

The problem is that the United States and other NATO countries can't just give Ukrainians some jets because those are F16s, and Ukrainian air force pilots are not trained  to fly those jets.

 

The only country that HAS similar jets that Ukrainians fly, Migs, is Poland.

 

But Poland started modifying their Migs for NATO.  And if they give those jets to Ukraine, Poland isn't going to have anything to fly in.

 

So, the US is planning on giving Poland F16s, because Poland has time to have their pilots re-train, and it appears as if Poland is rushing to re-modify those Migs back to their original design, so that they can give those to Ukraine.

 

Who knows how fast that will be. But if Ukraine has those jets, they should be able to establish air superiority, and that will help start driving away alot of the ground forces from the major cities.

Could they technically give American pilots Ukrainian citizenship? And temporarily remove their American citizenship?

3 hours ago, Cell said:

Have we ever seen a picture of Aza? Is he mentally handicapped? Obviously that’s no laughing matter but it might explain some of the things he’s saying in this thread. 
 

Also it’s a shame Russia is sat on a stockpile of shitty old nukes from the 60s, if they actually got into a war with NATO, judging from what we’ve seen here, they would get absolutely ruined. 

Damn, can’t imagine I’d feel good about that. Like great we survived.  But thought of that many people getting killed.

It’s fucking hellish.

it’s up to the Russian people to stop this. Aza your on the wrong side of history brother.

9 hours ago, Team 2019 said:

I'm not sure how you imagine a Russia invasion. This isn't napoleon or Hitler times. Biden riding in on an Abrahams tank into red square? 

I asked you a hypothetical question. So you believe in the importance of standing up for your own country against an invading force? Do you believe in self defense in general?

3 minutes ago, Team 2019 said:

The point is to lay down arms and not listen to idiots like Zelensky that sends civilians to certain death. Molotov vs a tank and people with guns that know how to use them. Fantastic idea. 

Az, would you stand up for Russia if it was invaded?