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On 2022-03-10 at 1:59 PM, Goukosan said:

 

The Switch is 5 years old. The deck is supposed to be more powerful than the Switch. 

 

The deck doesn't place any pressure on Switch what so ever for a number of reasons. 

 

1) Mass market appeal/ commercial success - Deck is not even aiming to be a mass market device.  There won't be enough units in the wild to even make a dent against any competitor. 

 

2) Power - as shown by the hacked internal NVIDIA documents, the Switch pro that was delayed/canceled was already more powerful than the Deck. So Nintendo along with NVIDIA was already on the road map for a more powerful device. 

 

3) Exclusives - this needs no explanation. 

 

 

I don't think the deck will be a failure because it will do what it's designed to do, be a portable steam device for your last gen and indie games along with cross gen games that are still being made. 

 

But if you expect it to be more than that an be some huge commercial success when Valve themselves already said no games will be made specifically for the device... Then you will be disappointed. 

You're overestimating Nintendo. And if you were an honest fan, you wouldn't be lie to yourself about Nintendo's hardware aspirations. The next Switch will be a minor jump, likely smaller than PS4-Pro. I know this is because Nintendo simply has no interest in joining regular AAA budgets. But you could defensibly say it's because they prioritize low/no fan noise, long battery life, kid-friendly pricing, smaller form factor, etc. There's no way Nintendo is going to make a less portable, chunkier system than Valve has done, and that's exactly what it would take to outperform the Deck.

You're talking about Steam Deck capping out at "cross gen" games, but it's well positioned to play all games of the PS5/Series era. It has the same architecture inside, same ram. At some point you'll have to tick back to 540p with upscaling, but as long as developers have to target Series S, there's no reason for Deck to fall out of support.

Plus when you figure indie devs are probably 10 years or more away from matching today's AAA requirements, I'm not joking when I say the gen-1 Deck will continue playing brand new games after Switch's followup is dead.

7 minutes ago, jehurey said:

 

 

Now who's narrative am I going to believe.

 

The developers of some of the very best, most critically acclaimed indie 2D games from the past few years, saying that the Switch platform is where they are finding the majority of their commercial success?

 

Or somebody talking about a company that has had multiple pieces of hardware fail and abandoned?

We're talking about indie games.........x86 processing power shrinking down is irrelevant because these games are not massive 3D games.

 

Let's look at that form factor, again:

 

 

Like................did you even pay attention to handheld gaming the 90's? We've seen this before.

 

We've seen how it ends, multiple times, before.

 

Even more embarassing is how they both have the same exact screen size, 7 inch.  So not only is the Steam Deck hardware not impressive, or even useful in changing what a handheld can actually do.

 

Valve has failed at even the most BASIC levels when it comes to how to design a handheld that people will actually want.

 

The Steam Deck literally looks like a Game Gear from 1992.

big difference: Deck has a d-pad.

Like it or not, x86 shrinking down to handheld puts a ton of pressure on Nintendo.  Of course they can sell Disnified mascots brands to their masochistic fanbase, but the whole layer of 3rd party indies and middle-tier 3d game are going to be permanently portable in a variety of hardware options, not just Valve's. In general, Steam gets these games first, cheapest, and is the best platform for them. It's not so much whether the Steam Deck will "succeed" or not. The form factor existing takes away a major reason to buy Nintendo's shit. People who mostly play Rocket League or Cuphead for example.  When you add in that handheld x86 chips can practically emulate Nintendo's entire catalog, their complacent approach is getting squeezed from both the high and low ends (4k console / handheld).

The only good platforms

1 minute ago, jehurey said:

LOL I remember you saying things this stupid back when the DS was bitchslapping the everloving shit out of the PSP.

 

Good times.

When you proudly claimed Nintendogs as AAA.

12 minutes ago, jehurey said:

you're right.

 

it'd almost certainly would be better.

 

LOL there were articles reviewing the Steam Deck launch in which their rationale from releasing a product with an unfinished, half-broken OS is because they couldn't wait any longer because the internal hardware is not going to look impressive six months from now.

 

Sweetie. an Ampere-based SoC, especially if they utilize the latest versions of DLSS, will absolutely perform better than this low-end hardware that probably isn't even as good as a low-end gaming laptop.

😂 Why do you do this to yourself? Nintendo's blockbuster, "AAA" games are technically inferior to mid-shelf indies like RIME or Little Nightmares. They don't want to level up to the big leagues because they know children will nag their parents to pay $60 for Mario Kart from 2014.

Even if Nintendo announced their next hardware tomorrow we know it wouldn't be in the same generation as Steam Deck. Nintendo isn't ready to make games at that level yet. They're taking Pokemon back to the N64 era, and they haven't made a game that couldn't run equally well on Xbox 360.

16 minutes ago, jehurey said:

Oh, so the new excuse is that Valve hasn't marketed it properly.

 

 

 

 

...............to their 120 million users of steam.

 

And, just like I predicted............you're talking about 2D games and emulated ROMs as the main attraction to the Steam Deck.

 

Just like I figured.

Approximately 100% of those Google searches were "can Nintendo switch play elden ring?". (Answer: 🤣🤣)

1 hour ago, jehurey said:

Sorry, seems like basic observable facts don't agree with you, chumley.

 

 

Even worse:

Yea no shit. Like 100 people have a Steam Deck right now. What's embarrassing is Nintendo is too scared their customers will find out Steam Deck plays Nintendo games better than their own hardware. They have to be copyright trolls. Pretty cucked move, couldn't be me.

31 minutes ago, jehurey said:

 

31 minutes ago, jehurey said:

You hear that noise???????????????????????

 

That the silence of nobody talking about the steam deck one week after its been released. A new hardware platform has been launched............and the hermits have gone quiet.

Actually *everyone* is talking about it and Nintendo is busy doing copyright takedowns because they're terrified of the competition outclassing their shit.

2 hours ago, Goukosan said:

 

Steam deck wouldn't be what it is if the Switch didn't exist

Switch wouldn't be what it is if Nintendo knew how online gaming works.

1 hour ago, jehurey said:

do you honestly think typing platitudes is going to be a convincing argument

 

you sound like an idiot sports player being interviewed after a game

 

"you gotta all 60 minutes"

 

"you gotta play the game hard"

 

You are responding to what I said............which was Nintendo is EATING STEAM'S LUNCH with indie game sales, the developers ARE SAYING SO.

 

Steam Deck is nothing more than a glorified 2D indie game machine, and that's why Valve made it.

 

Its not really going to convince people about AAA-production quality 3D games..............because, quite frankly, its fucking terrible and PC gamers almost won't use it for that at all.

 

They will use it as their 2D indie platformer gaming device, because Valve is trying to stop losing sales to the Switch.

 

You've said nothing that contradicts this.

I don't sound like that, and the OG Steam Deck will still be playing new games after the Switch's successor is dead.

Anything but Nintendo tbh. PlayStation and Steam are ahead of the game.

26 minutes ago, jehurey said:

Your anecdote doesn't really mean anything.

 

We have it from the word of the developers who have been making the most critically acclaimed and commercially successful indie games tell us that their Switch versions are what is bringing the money in.

 

 

Your peasant mentality doesn't mean anything. I don't play indie developer revenue, I play games. Games come out first, better and cheaper on Steam. Also Switch is a POS. The turd doesn't even have analog triggers ffs. Stop living in the past, grow up.

52 minutes ago, TLHBO said:

This. We were meant to be impressed with some heavily downgraded ports, the sheep went apeshit for Doom. Now they tell us playing it at 720-800p on medium settings is unplayable. Real hypocrites.

These fucking slobs literally argued for decades that they don't want to play console games on the go.

1 hour ago, jehurey said:

yeah, you actually end up playing better games that are exclusive.

 

I guarantee you the steam deck becomes your "I primarily use it to play my 2D indie games, and mess with emulation" device.

 

Which is the real reason why Valve created it.  Its not really meant for AAA-production 3D games.

 

Its to get people buying 2D indie games on steam again, because nintendo is absolutely eating their lunch and taking sales away from that.

I already buy 2d games on Steam. If I played on Switch, I'd have to wait longer, pay more money and get a worse experience than the Deck provides. Even if Switch's hardware wasn't 3 generations behind the Deck, Switch doesn't even have a fucking D-pad.

Not sure what you mean by "meant" when it literally plays Elden Ring. I guess Sheep look at hardware specs and think "not meant for me".

1 hour ago, jehurey said:

that's actually really funny.

 

no, it isn't.

 

its made for adults who have nothing else going on in their lives, so they spend their time trying to tweak a shitty device that looks like it was made by an chinese seller on Amazon and see if they can get Dying Light 2 to run at a combination of Low-Medium settings at 30fps at 800p, because their only other option would be...........actually playing Dying Light 2.

You still got 5 months to wait for Switch to not actually play Dying Light 2 on any settings.

On 2022-03-01 at 9:21 AM, ghostz said:

It will fail bc it’s obviously made for adults, but adults would rather just buy a PC. Nintendo wins because of its mass appeal and exclusive games. 
 

 

Steam Deck is made for successful adults with interesting lives. That's why SW sheep can't understand the appeal.

Steam Deck is gonna be a viable way to play current (next) gen games basically the whole way. The hardware is a feature match with PS5/XBX with proportional downscaling to the 720p res. Some day we will be playing the next God of War on Deck. MS establishing the low priced Series S also means developers will have to scale their tech more than in previous generations.

Even plugged into a TV/monitor, the FidelityFX upscaling should be decent. This is a great way for new people to start building a PC library.

Linux good. Fedora 34 is a very good Linux Desktop with some brand new tech inside.

Since SteamOS 3 is switching from Debian to Arch, I thought I'd give that a shot on my gaming PC.

I will definitely play this on Steam Deck.

When you think about this vs a remake of Advanced Wars, it just makes you proud not to be a Sheep.

It's funny during the whole PSP and Vita period of competition Sheep insisted that handheld games and console games are different. Now they're thrilled to be able to play terrible versions of Witcher 3 and Doom.

Jerry's still trying to figure out how online gaming works. 🤡

19 hours ago, jehurey said:

and yet they still won't put in that work, no matter how little it may seem.

 

unless Valve makes a deal with certain developers, or provides incentives.

 

this is pretty much another attempt from Valve to see how many people they can get on SteamOS, and its probably going to fare as well as their previous attempts.  They look at a slight rise in SteamOS users, so it drop back down. And then they'll abandon this product for another couple of years before they come out with a second handheld device.

I agree with you there is no guarantee devs would support it, but they can't support it if Valve doesn't provide for it.

I disagree that the Deck wont be successful. I think these handheld PCs will be a new norm. Alienware already announced one and other less known OEMs have them as well. Valve's hardware might not even be the best, but the form factor running SteamOS will be viable.

10 minutes ago, DynamiteCop said:

This is one thing I won't agree with you on. It's a nice concept but that would require additional work on behalf of every developer and that's just not going to happen. It'd be a kin to the work put into stadia titles where they're basically just a PC game configured a certain way with the settings removed.

 

The deck has SD expansion for additional storage, capacity is not going to be an issue.

When software is built, there is a "pipeline" of steps that go from error checking, compiling, testing, etc through to the final image. Packing up all the assets is part of that pipeline. Adding a step to compress and downscale media files is a lot less work than any kind of platform-specific code changes.

One major thing Valve needs to add is a low-storage download option for Steam. There's no reason why a 720p device needs the full 80GB+ install of Death Stranding with 4k-ready assets. Devs can build a version with downscaled assets pretty easily for a smaller install.