Avenatti lmfao

[McWicked 825]

4 hours ago, Saucer said:

 

You're so dumb you don't understand the difference between criminal charges, which you just said he'd be facing,  versus civil charges?

 

I said being president was the only thing keeping him from going to prison.  $413 million in tax fraud is the tip of the iceberg.  There's also Campaign Finance Fraud, Conspiracy against the United States, and Obstruction of Justice.  All those things we've talking about that you Trumpets hand-wave away because you're under the impression that he's your lord and savior, even though you're too chicken shit to out and say you like him.

[Vini 430]

Bush and Cheney weren't even prosecuted for war crimes these dumbos think Trump will catch fraud charges out of office lmao

 

If the Russian investigation turns up nothing this guy will not be impeached and will not be prosecuted for anything, now or after presidency. Stop dreaming

[Goukosan 2,258]

27 minutes ago, Vini said:

Bush and Cheney weren't even prosecuted for war crimes these dumbos think Trump will catch fraud charges out of office lmao

 

If the Russian investigation turns up nothing this guy will not be impeached and will not be prosecuted for anything, now or after presidency. Stop dreaming

If it turns up nothing?  You think it's a coincidence that EVERYONE around him in his campaign is getting indicted in relation to the investigation but somehow they will find nothing on Trump? 

 

It's not IF they will find something... it's what will happen once they do.... will it actually lead to impeachment or removal from office?  Or just taint him as the President that betrayed his country for personal gain. 

Edited November 19, 2018 by Goukosan

[Vini 430]

Yeah there's a really good chance they'll find no direct impeachable collusion. Probably more than 50% at this point.

 

I think if there was a smoking gun they would've found it by now. 

[jehurey 3,273]

1 hour ago, Vini said:

Yeah there's a really good chance they'll find no direct impeachable collusion. Probably more than 50% at this point.

 

I think if there was a smoking gun they would've found it by now. 

LOL, ah the ole "the investigation is taking too long" excuse.

 

This is actually one of the shortest secial counsel investigations, thus far.

 

Water gate took over 2 years.  This investigation started in May 2017. So that 18 months, so far.

 

LOL, its amazing how Vini's excuses seem to come straight out of the Republican playbook.

[Vini 430]

He's not going anywhere Jerry, let alone jail. And because of people like you he's gonna get a second term. 

 

Time to do what Pelosi is doing and try and work with the guy

 

Edited November 19, 2018 by Vini

[jehurey 3,273]

23 minutes ago, Vini said:

He's not going anywhere Jerry, let alone jail. And because of people like you he's gonna get a second term. 

 

Time to do what Pelosi is doing and try and work with the guy

 

LOL, he keeps on repeating right-wing facebook comments.

 

"Hey guys...............this mid-term where Democrats got 40 seats and 7 gubernatorial races and 8 million people voted for Democrats than Republicans is probably going to force this country to go even further to the right"

 

-Vini

[McWicked 825]

3 hours ago, Vini said:

If the Russian investigation turns up nothing

There have been 35 indictments by Mueller's investigation.  Thirty.  Five.  We're so far past the point of turning up nothing that I feel sorry that you'd even try this line of attack again.  It's embarrassing. 

[McWicked 825]

1 hour ago, jehurey said:

Water gate took over 2 years.

Quick reminder: the only reason it stopped at the 2 year point is because Nixon resigned and was pardoned by Ford.  Since all of Nixon's crimes were at the federal level, this effectively killed any indictments he may have received.

 

Trump, on the other hand, already has multiple state investigations against him.  There's blood in the water.  Dude's going down one way or another.

[jehurey 3,273]

Vini literally doesn't know that Trump IS going to be guilty of the same exact charges Michael Cohen just plead guilty to, in the state of NY.

 

Its more than likely they have sealed indictments that have Trump's name on it, already.

[Vini 430]

Jesus you guys are gonna have a rough 6 years. Don't tell me I didn't warn you

[Vini 430]

1 hour ago, McWickedSmawt85 said:

There have been 35 indictments by Mueller's investigation.  Thirty.  Five.  We're so far past the point of turning up nothing that I feel sorry that you'd even try this line of attack again.  It's embarrassing. 

Yea you're counting a bunch of Russians in that number.

 

But it doesn't matter anyway even if there were a thousand incitements unless there's recorded evidence of a phone call or any sort of communication compromising Trump either directly with Russians or explicitly giving direction to collude with Russians none of this shit means anything. 

 

Edited November 19, 2018 by Vini

[jehurey 3,273]

1 hour ago, Vini said:

Jesus you guys are gonna have a rough 6 years. Don't tell me I didn't warn you

lol you can tell that he is guided by so much bitterness.

 

Its all he has left.

[54212 432]

8 hours ago, McWickedSmawt85 said:

I said being president was the only thing keeping him from going to prison.  $413 million in tax fraud is the tip of the iceberg.  There's also Campaign Finance Fraud, Conspiracy against the United States, and Obstruction of Justice.  All those things we've talking about that you Trumpets hand-wave away because you're under the impression that he's your lord and savior, even though you're too chicken shit to out and say you like him.

 

You said he was going to prison because he committed tax fraud. 

 

"$413 million in tax fraud.  Trump's going to try to do everything he can not to lose power because it's literally the only thing keeping him from going to prison."

 

Again, are you so dumb that you don't understand the difference between civil and criminal charges? 

[54212 432]

11 hours ago, jehurey said:

Trump is an unindicted co-conspirator in many of the same charges that Michael Cohen plead GUILTY in a New York courtroom.

 

That's in dispute. Dershowitz, a Constitutional and criminal law professor at Harvard, says he isn't: 

 

"Before this claim is repeated so often that people assume it is true, let me state categorically that Trump is not an unindicted coconspirator and that it is wrong to characterize him as such. An unindicted coconspirator is someone against whom a grand jury has found probable cause, on the basis of evidence, that he or she is guilty of being a coconspirator in a crime. But as far as we know there has been no grand jury indictment in this case, because Cohen waived the grand jury and pleaded guilty to “an information” prepared by a prosecutor, not a grand jury. An information is used in federal trials generally when a defendant voluntarily pleads guilty and waives the right of an indictment by a grand jury. So unless there is a secret indictment against Cohen, accusing Trump of being his coconspirator, Trump cannot be an unindicted coconspirator. Moreover, the information against Cohen did not include the allegation by Cohen that he was directed to pay hush money by the candidate. That self-serving accusation was made by Cohen in his statement to the judge."

 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2018/09/07/donald-trump-not-unindicted-coconspirator/BSTHmaIPpmOzRAHP7EyS2H/story.html

[jehurey 3,273]

11 minutes ago, Saucer said:

 

That's in dispute. Dershowitz, a Constitutional and criminal law professor at Harvard, says he isn't: 

 

"Before this claim is repeated so often that people assume it is true, let me state categorically that Trump is not an unindicted coconspirator and that it is wrong to characterize him as such. An unindicted coconspirator is someone against whom a grand jury has found probable cause, on the basis of evidence, that he or she is guilty of being a coconspirator in a crime. But as far as we know there has been no grand jury indictment in this case, because Cohen waived the grand jury and pleaded guilty to “an information” prepared by a prosecutor, not a grand jury. An information is used in federal trials generally when a defendant voluntarily pleads guilty and waives the right of an indictment by a grand jury. So unless there is a secret indictment against Cohen, accusing Trump of being his coconspirator, Trump cannot be an unindicted coconspirator. Moreover, the information against Cohen did not include the allegation by Cohen that he was directed to pay hush money by the candidate. That self-serving accusation was made by Cohen in his statement to the judge."

 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2018/09/07/donald-trump-not-unindicted-coconspirator/BSTHmaIPpmOzRAHP7EyS2H/story.html

The last couple of sentences are quite misleading. (oh wait................you really are quoting Dershowitz, no wonder, he specifically deals in this type of bullshit double-speak)

 

If Cohen named Trump in his statement to the judge, and Cohen is cooperating with the state of NY, then whenever NY does charge him, they will use Cohen against him.

 

You do understand that the phrase "unindicted" specifically means that its something that the prosecution has NOT DONE. What is Dershowitz even arguing there? He's literally trying to use semantics that Cohen didn't go through an indictment because he went straight to pleading guilty, therefore nobody has been indicted, so far. ............but..............that's............why..............we're.............using.............the.............word.........."unindicted."

 

Jesus, his bullshit reminds me alot of your posts.

Edited November 19, 2018 by jehurey

[54212 432]

4 minutes ago, jehurey said:

The last sentence is quite misleading. (oh wait................you really are quoting Dershowitz, no wonder, he specifically deals in this type of bullshit double-speak)

 

If Cohen named Trump in his statement to the judge, and Cohen is cooperating with the state of NY, then whenever NY does charge him, they will use Cohen against him.

 

You do understand that the phrase "unindicted" specifically means that its something that the prosecution not NOT DONE. What is Dershowitz even arguing there? He'sliterally trying to use semantics that Cohen didn't go through an indictment because he went straight to pleading guilty, therefore nobody has been indicted, so far. ............but..............that's............why..............we're.............using.............the.............word.........."unindicted."

 

Jesus, his bullshit reminds me alot of your posts.

 

Useless babble. You haven't addressed Dershowitz's argument at all. He said:

 

"An unindicted coconspirator is someone against whom a grand jury has found probable cause, on the basis of evidence, that he or she is guilty of being a coconspirator in a crime."

 

Cite where a grand jury indicted Cohen. Cite it.

[jehurey 3,273]

Just now, Saucer said:

 

Useless babble. You haven't addressed Dershowitz's argument at all. He said:

 

"An unindicted coconspirator is someone against whom a grand jury has found probable cause, on the basis of evidence, that he or she is guilty of being a coconspirator in a crime."

 

Cite where a grand jury indicted Cohen. Cite it.

The evidence is in the plea deal and Cohen admission of guilt, which would be used as evidence towards indicting Trump.

 

Sorry, that's not going to work either.

 

You, and Dershowitz, are trying to hide behind semantics.

 

The same evidence that Michael Cohen decided to not fight against and plead guilty to, would be the same evidence presented to a Grand Jury to get an indictment against Trump. It just hasn't happened, by the state of NY has not moved forward with Trump yet.

 

Even though they clearly have the biggest witness and his testimony in which to indict him with. 

 

You KNOW Dershowitz is bullshittin' that's why you want to try and direct this into semantics.

[54212 432]

Just now, jehurey said:

The evidence is in the plea deal and Cohen admission of guilt, which would be used as evidence towards indicting Trump.

 

Sorry, that's not going to work either.

 

You, and Dershowitz, are trying to hide behind semantics.

 

The same evidence that Michael Cohen decided to not fight against and plead guilty to, would be the same evidence presented to a Grand Jury to get an indictment against Trump. It just hasn't happened, by the state of NY has not moved forward with Trump yet.

 

Even though they clearly have the biggest witness and his testimony in which to indict him with. 

 

You KNOW Dershowitz is bullshittin' that's why you want to try and direct this into semantics.

 

You're avoiding the question.  

 

"An unindicted coconspirator is someone against whom a grand jury has found probable cause, on the basis of evidence, that he or she is guilty of being a coconspirator in a crime."

 

Cite where a grand jury indicted Cohen. Cite it.

[54212 432]

Once again Jerry is throwing around terms he doesn't understand to try and sound intelligent. What a fool's errand that is.