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6 minutes ago, Team 2019 said:

Some research on keto and mitochondria. 

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2898565/

lmfao  all of this is using wishy-washy language

 

"May" 

 

"Appears to" 

 

"Might"

 

"SEEMS" 

 

 

ROFLMFAO 

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3 minutes ago, SheepKilla said:

lmfao  all of this is using wishy-washy language

 

"May" 

 

"Appears to" 

 

"Might"

 

"SEEMS" 

 

 

ROFLMFAO 

Don't like government studies anymore I see?

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7 minutes ago, SheepKilla said:

Two of these are entirely false characterizations of my position. The last one was a joke/tongue-in-cheek comment. 

 

I'm running CIRCLES around you

Yeah counting bagel calories isnt a joke in itself.

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2 minutes ago, Team 2019 said:

Don't like government studies anymore I see?

PubMed =/= government studies.  It's a federal agency which hosts research from pretty much every institution in the country.  It's literally just a repository.

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23 minutes ago, Team 2019 said:

Everyone on keto notes improved brain functions, there is limited research of keto acting as mood stabiliser for bipolar which I can attest to being true. 



 

Also people jumping back from keto note that they start noticing brain fog associated with sugar jumps between meals, before your carb refeed. 

is that why when you google "keto brain …" the autofill is fog?

 

Everyone ive met that's done keto talks about this stuff.

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1 minute ago, teh_4th said:

PubMed =/= government studies.  It's a federal agency which hosts research from pretty much every institution in the country.  It's literally just a repository.

LMAO he doesn't even know that 

I also doubt Aza understands any of the shit he linked. His IQ is too low. Here's a typical sentence: "Initial studies indicate that the ketogenic diet appears effective in other metabolic conditions, including phosphofructokinase deficiency and glycogenosis type V (McArdle disease)".

 

The odds of Aza understanding this are 0. 

 

Literally ALL he did was google some keywords and try to find a positive article. This is all he could find.  This shit says NOTHING about diet. It's an article about how the diet helps people with rare conditions sensitive to sugar, because it doesn't depend on glucose. He doesn't even understand that's irrelevant to this convo. 

[hoshino 148]

Aza, here's the discussion of the article you just posted.

 

"The ketogenic diet is well established as therapy for intractable epilepsy. It should be considered first-line therapy in glucose transporter type 1 and pyruvate dehydrogenase deficiency. It should be considered early in the treatment of Dravet syndrome and myoclonic-astatic epilepsy (Doose syndrome).

Initial studies indicate that the ketogenic diet appears effective in other metabolic conditions, including phosphofructokinase deficiency and glycogenosis type V (McArdle disease). It appears to function in these disorders by providing an alternative fuel source. A growing body of literature suggests the ketogenic diet may be beneficial in certain neurodegenerative diseases, including Alzheimer disease, Parkinson’s disease, and amyotrophic lateral sclerosis. In these disorders, the ketogenic diet appears to be neuroprotective, promoting enhanced mitochondrial function and rescuing adenosine triphosphate production.

Dietary therapy is a promising intervention for cancer, given that it may target the relative inefficiency of tumors in using ketone bodies as an alternative fuel source. The ketogenic diet also may have a role in improving outcomes in trauma and hypoxic injuries."

 

That article really only discusses benefits of ketosis for some pretty rare and obscure diseases and doesn't mention anything about ketosis being a superior diet in the absence of an underlying disease state.

 

Of course it's the superior fuel for individuals with metabolic conditions like glycogen storage disorders, but it doesn't mean it's the best fuel for people with normal metabolisms.

Edited December 31, 2018 by teh_4th

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5 minutes ago, teh_4th said:

is that why when you google "keto brain …" the autofill is fog?

 

Everyone ive met that's done keto talks about this stuff.

That's during the keto flu stage, it's when you lose like 6-8 pounds of water and you need to replace the salt, potassium, and magnesium at record pace. After the adaptation phase its a different story. The 2 week keto flu is when most people crack. 

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5 minutes ago, Team 2019 said:

That's during the keto flu stage, it's when you lose like 6-8 pounds of water and you need to replace the salt, potassium, and magnesium at record pace. After the adaptation phase its a different story. The 2 week keto flu is when most people crack. 

can you explain, from an evolution standpoint, why if keto is the superior diet, our body reacts so violently to it?

 

Also, can you please explain to me why countries that consume high volumes of Unsaturated fats, vegetables and fruits and lean meats/fish and low volumes of red meat and saturated fats typically have significantly longer lifespans?  

Edited December 31, 2018 by teh_4th

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The fasting Community that aren't in ketosis, but enter it after 48 hours by default by fasting all also note a certain mental clarity and that's without long term adoption. 

 

Generally speaking there is very little keto or fasting research out there. 

 

3 minutes ago, teh_4th said:

Aza, here's the discussion of the article you just posted.

 

"The ketogenic diet is well established as therapy for intractable epilepsy. It should be considered first-line therapy in glucose transporter type 1 and pyruvate dehydrogenase deficiency. It should be considered early in the treatment of Dravet syndrome and myoclonic-astatic epilepsy (Doose syndrome).

Initial studies indicate that the ketogenic diet appears effective in other metabolic conditions, including phosphofructokinase deficiency and glycogenosis type V (McArdle disease). It appears to function in these disorders by providing an alternative fuel source. A growing body of literature suggests the ketogenic diet may be beneficial in certain neurodegenerative diseases, including Alzheimer disease, Parkinson’s disease, and amyotrophic lateral sclerosis. In these disorders, the ketogenic diet appears to be neuroprotective, promoting enhanced mitochondrial function and rescuing adenosine triphosphate production.

Dietary therapy is a promising intervention for cancer, given that it may target the relative inefficiency of tumors in using ketone bodies as an alternative fuel source. The ketogenic diet also may have a role in improving outcomes in trauma and hypoxic injuries."

 

That article really only discusses benefits of ketosis for some pretty rare and obscure diseases and doesn't mention anything about ketosis being a superior diet in the absence of an underlying disease state.

 

Of course it's the superior fuel for individuals with metabolic conditions like glycogen storage disorders, but it doesn't mean it's the best fuel for people with normal metabolisms.

Well if you can find some studies that focus on brain functions on ketones vs glucose in healthy individuals, it'd be good. Most of it is anecdotal, but there is a reason why keto is popular aside from just weight loss. 

 

I also honestly view keto without fasting as a waste of time, both need to be combin d. 

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Just now, teh_4th said:

can you explain, from an evolution standpoint, why if keto is the superior diet, our body reacts so violently to it?

 

Also, can you please explain to me why countries that consume high volumes of vegetables and fruits and low volumes of red meat and saturated fats typically have significantly longer lifespans?  

Hasn't the blue zone been debunked. Since most of them consume extremely healthy fats like fish, high produce diary that we could only dream off finding in a supermarket etc. They aren't leaf eaters like marketed. 

[hoshino 148]

Aza, what are your shits like on this diet of yours?

[hoshino 148]

2 minutes ago, Team 2019 said:

Hasn't the blue zone been debunked. Since most of them consume extremely healthy fats like fish, high produce diary that we could only dream off finding in a supermarket etc. They aren't leaf eaters like marketed. 



I don't think it's been debunked. Last I've heard it's still a very promising avenue of research.

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4 minutes ago, teh_4th said:

Aza, what are your shits like on this diet of yours?

Like magic. Fat digests perfectly with almost nothing left, so does protien. You are never bloated and it's possible to go 2 weeks without a single fart. 

 

There is borderline almost nothing to even shit out after eating a a steak with butter, or fat fish with butter. The things that can fuck you up are cheese and nuts. You basically fart out a bit of creme, and that's your shit after 6 pounds of meat and butter. 

 

I know this guy is a comical act, but his experience mimics mine. He healed his hemorrhoids by switching to meat and fat after trying to solve the issue with high fiber.

 

 

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The biggest advantage of keto imo is fat adaptation. People that couldn't survive 8 hours without a snack on a normal carb diet, after a 6 week fat adaptation phase on keto. Can fast their ass off for 7 days without a single hick up. 

 

And the health benefits of fasting alone, are 10x the benefits of keto itself. 

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I'm against the "standard" "mainstream" keto. 

 

3 keto meals, keto fat bomb snacks, bulletproof coffee, 20 grams of vegetables. 

 

If you aren't using keto's hunger suppression and fat adaptation to fast, it's a waste of time. 

 

24 hour OMAD, one meal a day is the minimum. You should be knocking of 48-72 hour fasts like nothing. Using keto as a fasting instrument. 

[hoshino 148]

26 minutes ago, Team 2019 said:

I'm against the "standard" "mainstream" keto. 

 

3 keto meals, keto fat bomb snacks, bulletproof coffee, 20 grams of vegetables. 

 

If you aren't using keto's hunger suppression and fat adaptation to fast, it's a waste of time. 



 

24 hour OMAD, one meal a day is the minimum. You should be knocking of 48-72 hour fasts like nothing. Using keto as a fasting instrument. 

That's an interesting take.  Lot of cool research on fasting coming out right now.

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1 hour ago, teh_4th said:

That's an interesting take.  Lot of cool research on fasting coming out right now.

Even the fasting Community are bitching how the first 48 hours are so hard till you hit ketosis. So why not make it part of your diet so can fast whenever you want and however long you want. 

 

Getting into ketosis after 7 days of fasting, then breaking it with fruits to reset any possible fat adaptation, then start it all over again. It's miserable and torture. 

 

This way you can adapt a full fasting lifestyle that's easy to pull off.  Plus the fasting benefits when you are fat adapted are much greater than randomly pulling off non fat adapted fasts from a carb diet. Quitting/reseting when it just starts to get good sounds like insanity. 

Edited December 31, 2018 by Team 2019

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