Playstation Tablet 1,746 Posted January 26, 2019 Author Share Posted January 26, 2019 All of MS's first party games will be on gamepass day 1. They make all their profit from online services not hardware sales. The cut from retail is eating their profits. They don't give a shit about people that aren't part of the agenda. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,088 Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 42 minutes ago, Team 2019 said: The vast majority of profits comes from game sales, accessories etc. Not the actual console hardware for retailers. So no, MS will have to satisfy retailers for them to carry discless SKUs. That's not how it works lol, literally the only thing that would change in the retail market from the ways things are now to then would be the addition of this diskless system, nothing else would change. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,088 Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 35 minutes ago, Team 2019 said: All of MS's first party games will be on gamepass day 1. They make all their profit from online services not hardware sales. The cut from retail is eating their profits. They don't give a shit about people that aren't part of the agenda. It's not all about pure profit you moron, retail exposure fuels their exposure and does 90% of their marketing for them. Fuck you are oblivious. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,746 Posted January 26, 2019 Author Share Posted January 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said: It's not all about pure profit you moron, retail exposure fuels their exposure and does 90% of their marketing for them. Fuck you are oblivious. You're going to get boxes with codes instead of discs. There is your retail exposure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,088 Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 Just now, Team 2019 said: You're going to get boxes with codes instead of discs. There is your retail exposure. That's not going to happen, people would reject it and it would harm the business as bad as 2013 mess did if not worse. Do you know what happened with the Halo 5 Limited Collector's Edition? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,746 Posted January 26, 2019 Author Share Posted January 26, 2019 32 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said: That's not going to happen, people would reject it and it would harm the business as bad as 2013 mess did if not worse. Do you know what happened with the Halo 5 Limited Collector's Edition? We are already getting a discless model, how are people going to reject it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,088 Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Team 2019 said: We are already getting a discless model, how are people going to reject it? How obtuse can you be? Getting something optional into market to cater to a minority percentage of the consumer base who want all digital libraries is different than forcing that single faceted device on the entire consumer base. Edited January 26, 2019 by DynamiteCop! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,746 Posted January 26, 2019 Author Share Posted January 26, 2019 The discless version will always be cheaper, it's anything but optional when it can easily be the main selling SKU. Yes with One it is optional. Next gen is another story. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,746 Posted January 27, 2019 Author Share Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) Going discless to undercut Sony on pricing is exactly the lame ass strategy we'd see from someone like MS, especially when they have no European or Asian presence. The higher profit margins on the digital store will be used to keep the price lower, and that's what MS will justify it with. Especially when they don't even see consoles in the future being drivers of their growth. Its all streaming and services. First party on gamepass is partly bypassing retail all together. MS couldn't even provide the limited disc print to release Nier Automata, niche games, or limited prints on disc while the other two can and do. It's clearly on their agenda. Edited January 27, 2019 by Team 2019 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,088 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, Team 2019 said: Going discless to undercut Sony on pricing is exactly the lame ass strategy we'd see from someone like MS, especially when they have no European or Asian presence. The higher profit margins on the digital store will be used to keep the price lower, and that's what MS will justify it with. Especially when they don't even see consoles in the future being drivers of their growth. Its all streaming and services. First party on gamepass is partly bypassing retail all together. MS couldn't even provide the limited disc print to release Nier Automata, niche games, or limited prints on disc while the other two can and do. It's clearly on their agenda. Do you think if you keep repeating yourself that you'll will this non-reality into existence? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,746 Posted January 28, 2019 Author Share Posted January 28, 2019 PS3 had free online while 360 charged just to play for a full gen. You'd expect there to be a massive bitchfest. Even now the biggest online game Fortnite is true F2P with no PSN Plus required. Everyone would just jump and defend a pay to play, pay wall. When this was posed to people on forums who were "XBox fans". They didn't argue that they need to make F2P games not require gold. All they said that PSN Plus should be required for F2P games, and they are happy with XBox's model. MS can shove whatever it wants down its core audience's throats and will get away with it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,746 Posted March 1, 2019 Author Share Posted March 1, 2019 If MS wants it to be mainly a Gamepass system. Why would a gamepass oriented system have a guaranteed disc drive next-gen? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,088 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Team 2019 said: If MS wants it to be mainly a Gamepass system. Why would a gamepass oriented system have a guaranteed disc drive next-gen? Because you still have to cater to the way things work presently and where your numbers are, you phase things out gradually. You have to wait until your audience reaches a certain saturation point until you can commit to big changes. Xbox is what I would assume is 40% digital and 60% physical at this point, at an 80% digital saturation point it would start to make sense to make a big change. What things like GamePass and Play Anywhere are doing is trying to get more people comfortable with the idea of adopting to digital games and it's working. Like Zhuge, Benji, Matt and others have said, Xbox has a much larger digital presence than Sony and Nintendo and it's because of things like that. They still need physical media though, that's still their bread and butter when it comes to direct game purchasing and they'll continue to support it while at the same time incentivize people to move away from it. Edited March 1, 2019 by DynamiteCop! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,746 Posted March 1, 2019 Author Share Posted March 1, 2019 1 minute ago, DynamiteCop! said: Because you still have to cater to the way things work presently and where your numbers are, you phase things out gradually. You have to wait until your audience reaches a certain saturation point until you can commit to big changes. Xbox is what I would assume is 40% digital and 60% physical at this point, at an 80% digital saturation point it would start to make sense to make a big change. What things like GamePass and Play Anywhere are doing is trying to get more people comfortable with the idea of adopting to digital games and it's working. Like Zhuge, Benji, Matt and others have said, Xbox has a much larger digital presence than Sony and Nintendo and it's because of things like that. It would clearly be an effort to move people to digital, many of the XBox users probably won't care. The risk seems to justify the end goal in many ways. Matt has almost flatout said you should go digital with the current XBox because it will pay off next-gen, that can interperted in a few ways. One of them is discless. Plus Brad Sams has suggested they are considering discless. You'll be able to buy codes cards with games at retail stores anyways. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,088 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Team 2019 said: It would clearly be an effort to move people to digital, many of the XBox users probably won't care. The risk seems to justify the end goal in many ways. Matt has almost flatout said you should go digital with the current XBox because it will pay off next-gen, that can interperted in a few ways. One of them is discless. Plus Brad Sams has suggested they are considering discless. You'll be able to buy codes cards with games at retail stores anyways. See you read Matt's statement differently than me, apparently Microsoft is working on native Xbox game operation on PC so you/they won't even need a native PC build anymore. It will be one unified game package. That's one thing that would benefit digital adopters, another is the possibility of a game purchase at full $60 price allowing you play that game on xCloud if you buy it digitally. There's a lot of different ways Matt's statement could be interpreted that don't lead to Microsoft releasing a system without an optical drive. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,746 Posted March 1, 2019 Author Share Posted March 1, 2019 1 minute ago, DynamiteCop! said: See you read Matt's statement differently than me, apparently Microsoft is working on native Xbox game operation on PC so you/they won't even need a native PC build anymore. It will be one unified game package. That's one thing that would benefit digital adopters, another is the possibility of a game purchase at full $60 price allowing you play that game on xCloud if you buy it digitally. There's a lot of different ways Matt's statement could be interpreted that don't lead to Microsoft releasing a system without an optical drive. This discless One is releasing this Spring. If there is no major backlash in reception and sales they are going to go ahead with it. That console is a huge red flag, because it turns theory into practice. At this point MS clearly hasn't decided themselves if they will go discless or not, but they are keeping the option on the table. There are many clear benefits for them, will the cons outweigh them for them not to make such a decision? The XBox Maverick model will tell when it releases. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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