Voidler 1,675 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 48 minutes ago, DynamiteCop said: This isn't about optimization, this is about the peak capability of their development hamstrung to the maturity of the tools and devkit availability. The tools are new, devkits arrived late, this is a period of growing pains which will pass. They're only as capable as what was provided to them prior to release. This is Xbox peak capability. Its a bottlenecked piece of shit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,087 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 25 minutes ago, Voidler said: This is Xbox peak capability. Its a bottlenecked piece of shit I'm really not interested in a conversation like this, it's absolutely not true. You couldn't even conceive a choke point in this system if you tried. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,258 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, DynamiteCop said: I'm really not interested in a conversation like this, it's absolutely not true. You couldn't even conceive a choke point in this system if you tried. Every closed box system has a limitation. Stop being retarded. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,087 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, Goukosan said: Every closed box system has a limitation. Stop being retarded. Limitations doesn't equal a bottleneck, everything has limitations. Where's the bottleneck in this system? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,258 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Just now, DynamiteCop said: Limitations doesn't equal a bottleneck, everything has limitations. Where's the bottleneck in this system? The system just launched. As time goes on each system's bottleneck will come to light. But to claim mater of fact that their is no bottleneck is disingenuous at best. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,087 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Just now, Goukosan said: The system just launched. As time goes on each system's bottleneck will come to light. But to claim mater of fact that their is no bottleneck is disingenuous at best. Not being able to explain a bottleneck is disingenuous, what's very clearly taking place is entirely software and devkit availability related. It's beyond plain to see. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Voidler 1,675 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 18 minutes ago, DynamiteCop said: I'm really not interested in a conversation like this, it's absolutely not true. You couldn't even conceive a choke point in this system if you tried. Split RAM pool Slower IO structure No cache scrubber or built in coherency features No shared L3 cache that Zen3 and PS5 have RDNA1 CUs Large overhead from the UI and game switching DirectX API that will never allow coding as close to the metal as PS5 API Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,258 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Just now, DynamiteCop said: Not being able to explain a bottleneck is disingenuous, what's very clearly taking place is entirely software and devkit availability related. It's beyond plain to see. Hey retard. I didn't say this current issue is a bottle neck. I'm addressing you saying the system will have no bottle necks when you cannot say that for a matter of fact. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,273 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 1 minute ago, DynamiteCop said: Not being able to explain a bottleneck is disingenuous, what's very clearly taking place is entirely software and devkit availability related. It's beyond plain to see. Nope, you're not able to explain what the "software and devkit" shortcomings are to explain the console's underwhelming performance. So in other words you are trying to criticize others for being too obtuse.................but you are absolutely doing it, as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,087 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, jehurey said: Nope, you're not able to explain what the "software and devkit" shortcomings are to explain the console's underwhelming performance. So in other words you are trying to criticize others for being too obtuse.................but you are absolutely doing it, as well. The hell are you talking about? It can and has been explained. We know Microsoft just switched to GDK from XDK, it's a new development environment that will take getting used to. We know that Microsoft used spec'd PC's as development kits and the actual kits arrived late and were in short supply. We know these things, third party developers were getting frustrated that Microsoft didn't have hardware available to them yet. This was talked about in depth basically everywhere in Spring/Summer. We know the intrinsic link between software and hardware, we know hardware capability is only as proficient as the software and tools made available to develop for it. We know all of this. You guys are pure bred liars, you conveniently forget things and are on the whole reality deniers. I'm sick of you idiots, you're nauseating. /fin Edited December 3, 2020 by DynamiteCop Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,273 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 1 minute ago, DynamiteCop said: The hell are you talking about? It can and has been explained. We know Microsoft just switched to GDK from XDK, it's a new development environment that will take getting used to. We know that Microsoft used spec'd PC's as development kits and the actual kits arrived late and were in short supply. We know these things, third party developers were getting frustrated that Microsoft didn't have hardware available to them yet. This was talked about in depth basically everywhere in Spring/Summer. We know the intrinsic link between software and hardware, we know hardware capability is only as proficient as the software and tools made available to develop for it. We know all of this. You guys are pure bred liars, you conveniently forget things and are on the whole reality deniers. I'm sick of you idiots, you're nauseating. /fin No, that isn't an explaination at all. You are basically saying nothing in remote detail. What part or software function of the devkit is failing to be efficient? Explain it to me. Point it out to me with an actual video game. I'll wait. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,690 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Voidler said: This is Xbox peak capability. Its a bottlenecked piece of shit Holy fuck this is the dumbest thing said on this forum for a long time Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,087 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, jehurey said: No, that isn't an explaination at all. You are basically saying nothing in remote detail. What part or software function of the devkit is failing to be efficient? Explain it to me. Point it out to me with an actual video game. I'll wait. It doesn't need further explanation, it's clear cut and easily digestible. I'm not going to baby talk you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,690 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 46 minutes ago, Voidler said: Split RAM pool Slower IO structure No cache scrubber or built in coherency features No shared L3 cache that Zen3 and PS5 have RDNA1 CUs Large overhead from the UI and game switching DirectX API that will never allow coding as close to the metal as PS5 API Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,690 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Just now, DynamiteCop said: It doesn't need further explanation, it's clear cut and easily digestible. I'm not going to baby talk you. Don't even bother with that clown. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,273 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, DynamiteCop said: It doesn't need further explanation, it's clear cut and easily digestible. I'm not going to baby talk you. No, it isn't. Its just an obtuse, catch-all excuse. And it isn't working. It has been explained to you, multiple times already, that you need to design a game around using all of those compute units, because the PS5 is just straight up beating the Xbox in rasterization performance since its clocked higher. The developers already have the ability to do so. They just have no reason to do so. And, its going to become abundantly clear, that developers will not consider the XsX as a primary platform to spend resources on trying to optimize it, since the PS5 is already running away with being the main platform for next-gen gamers. You can't even baby talk, if you tried................you actually don't know anything going on with Xbox development. Not a single thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,087 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Remij said: Don't even bother with that clown. The absurdity and intentionally obtuse nature of these people acting like they don't understand these things is incredible. If you don't actually understand I get it, but to act like you don't just to argue is fucking pathetic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,258 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, Remij said: Don't even bother with that clown. You're telling DynamiteCop don't bother with himself? 🤡... lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Voidler 1,675 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Remij said: Holy fuck this is the dumbest thing said on this forum for a long time Where are these tool improvements? Post launch games are failing just as hard on Series X Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. House 3,371 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 4 hours ago, DynamiteCop said: This isn't about optimization, this is about the peak capability of their development hamstrung to the maturity of the tools and devkit availability. The tools are new, devkits arrived late, this is a period of growing pains which will pass. They're only as capable as what was provided to them prior to release. Thats sounds like what Cows were saying circa 2006 with the PS3 and the Cell. The brand image damage to the Xflop Series X has already happened and its irreversible for the clueless masses. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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