PS5's expansion problems get even worse.

[MalaXmaS 648]

The reason Sony had that expansion port locked was because the technology to cool such fast SSDs is not there yet, even with desktop PCs.

 

You can put a Gen 4 NVME SSD in a big tower PC with really good cooling but that would mean making the unit even bigger.

 

TCHBFR

Sony hyped SSD gaming but it won't fully deliver it due to tech limitations.

 

Bottom line; Sony will have to lower their expectations with slower loading times in their games.

 

That or expect lots of PS5s literally melting.

[Goukosan 2,258]

Lemmings hopes and dreams.... 

[Tears of the Cows 1,213]

Bro I just made this same thread and you even commented in it

[Remij 4,690]

And there's already PC NVMe SSDs faster than the PS5's drive with no extra cooling required  

[MalaXmaS 648]

29 minutes ago, ghostz life matters said:

Bro I just made this same thread and you even commented in it

You said that the PS5 can't handle faster SSDs without catching fire.

I made this thread to explain it is not only a hardware problem but also logistics.

Sony overhyped the PS5 in paper and the actual thing won't be able to meet such demands unless a total redesign is made.

The current PS5 is useless.

It will probably overheat trying to run games with fast loading high res textures.

It is either that or not take advantage of SSDs at all.

[MalaXmaS 648]

7 minutes ago, Remij said:

And there's already PC NVMe SSDs faster than the PS5's drive with no extra cooling required  

So why not use those instead?

Firmware locks?

[jehurey 3,273]

what? the other thread by the other dumbass already says that they cool it by updating the firmware to increase the fanspeeds.

 

are you saying that they designed the mainboard with a second NVMe port and never bothered testing it?

 

What do you mean "the technology to cool such fast SSDs doesn't exist yet"?

 

I have an even faster SSD and "its technology" is that the mother board came with a metal heatsink piece with a thermal strip on the underside to stick to the SSD's topside.  And then it uses the general flow of air going throughout the case  to stay cool.

 

Its not even in an ideal spot, since the SSD is sitting right on top of my video card, and therefore the air around it is going to be quite hot, but the whole point of have good airflow throughout the computer is that you are able to push out the air hot efficiently and push in cool air.

[Remij 4,690]

19 minutes ago, MalaXmaS said:

So why not use those instead?

Firmware locks?

They're locked, for the moment.  I'm sure some of the already released Gen4 NVMe SSDs will be certified by Sony... but they just have to finish doing their testing.

 

The early "Gen4" NVMe drives hover around the 5GB/s mark, but Sony tested them and they were working properly because of the overhead with them having their own architectures and memory controllers...so Sony needed to wait for the real Gen4 SSDs to start hitting.  The ones that hit 7GB/s, and have the extra headroom to work.

[MalaXmaS 648]

16 minutes ago, jehurey said:

what? the other thread by the other dumbass already says that they cool it by updating the firmware to increase the fanspeeds.

 

are you saying that they designed the mainboard with a second NVMe port and never bothered testing it?

 

What do you mean "the technology to cool such fast SSDs doesn't exist yet"?

 

I have an even faster SSD and "its technology" is that the mother board came with a metal heatsink piece with a thermal strip on the underside to stick to the SSD's topside.  And then it uses the general flow of air going throughout the case  to stay cool.

 

Its not even in an ideal spot, since the SSD is sitting right on top of my video card, and therefore the air around it is going to be quite hot, but the whole point of have good airflow throughout the computer is that you are able to push out the air hot efficiently and push in cool air.

I'll ask you a simple question Jerry.

What generates more heat? One SSD or two SSDs?

[jehurey 3,273]

2 minutes ago, MalaXmaS said:

I'll ask you a simple question Jerry.

What generates more heat? One SSD or two SSDs?

if the SSD is in a different spot on the mainboard...........it doesn't generate more heat in the areas where its already hot.

 

Which is how the PS5 is designed.

 

 

Its in a relatively isolated area behind that vertical plate

 

 

 

and its even right beside the PS5's intake fan, which means that its going to be getting fresh air probably before the rest of the chipset does.

 

You obviously can't explain how Sony is supposedly failing here, so now you resort to reductive questions.

 

Lemme ask you this...........did Microsoft adding a storage expansion card to the Xbox Series X cause more heat?? [GASP] Then they must've fucked up!!!

[MalaXmaS 648]

1 hour ago, jehurey said:

if the SSD is in a different spot on the mainboard...........it doesn't generate more heat in the areas where its already hot.

 

Which is how the PS5 is designed.

 

 

Its in a relatively isolated area behind that vertical plate

 

 

 

and its even right beside the PS5's intake fan, which means that its going to be getting fresh air probably before the rest of the chipset does.

 

You obviously can't explain how Sony is supposedly failing here, so now you resort to reductive questions.

 

Lemme ask you this...........did Microsoft adding a storage expansion card to the Xbox Series X cause more heat?? [GASP] Then they must've fucked up!!!

However that spot is not functional yet.

Which is why if you try to put a ssd there right now, it won't work.

Sony already knew this so later this summer, they know people will experiment with different brand ssds so thats why that firmware will  boost the fans on top of activating that slot.

 

It will make that ps5 loud as fuck.

What about future games with more and high res textures running at double the rate?

 

Instant system meltdown without the cooling boost and really high temps and annoyingly loud fans with the cooling boost on.

 

System is a pos.

Edited March 25, 2021 by MalaXmaS

[MalaXmaS 648]

Also, wouldn't it make sense to do thr testing phase before the mass manufacturing phase?

 

Sony fucked up big time.

 

They rushed the system.

[jehurey 3,273]

1 hour ago, MalaXmaS said:

However that spot is not functional yet.

Which is why if you try to put a ssd there right now, it won't work.

Sony already knew this so later this summer, they know people will experiment with different brand ssds so thats why that firmware will  boost the fans on top of activating that slot.

 

It will make that ps5 loud as fuck.

What about future games with more and high res textures running at double the rate?

 

Instant system meltdown without the cooling boost and really high temps and annoyingly loud fans with the cooling boost on.

 

System is a pos.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

 

So you're saying Sony created a second SSD port...............and never bothered to test it, eh?

 

We already know how loud the PS5 fan is. The firmware update would end up just changing the parameters for how quickly and how long the fan turns on.

 

Here's another bit of news..........they would've already tested the limits of the fan.

 

You're an idiot.

 

What is Microsoft doing from preventing the second storage card from getting extremely hot? Let me know.

[MalaXmaS 648]

17 minutes ago, jehurey said:

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

 

So you're saying Sony created a second SSD port...............and never bothered to test it, eh?

 

We already know how loud the PS5 fan is. The firmware update would end up just changing the parameters for how quickly and how long the fan turns on.

 

Here's another bit of news..........they would've already tested the limits of the fan.

 

You're an idiot.

 

What is Microsoft doing from preventing the second storage card from getting extremely hot? Let me know.

If they had already tested it, why not leave it unlocked from Day 1?

Why leave it locked till later?

Seems like they released the system in the middle of testing phase.

That's more like it.

Even more so to have no expansion product available AND firmware still prevented that slot from being functional.

 

Also, couple that issue with the fact that the ram inside the ps5 heats up really fast and some of its components is not resting near the heatsink.

That will create some warping issues that will force some x-clamp solutions.

[jehurey 3,273]

1 hour ago, MalaXmaS said:

If they had already tested it, why not leave it unlocked from Day 1?

Why leave it locked till later?

 

because there aren't many PCIe 4.0 SSD on the retail market when they manufactured the console during Summer 2020.

 

Samsung's 980 SSD did not come out until November

 

Western Digital's SN850 did not come out until October.

 

Sony would have done testing on their OWN OEM SSD drive.............which you can't buy................because its an OEM part, and you would be buying retail versions.

 

Sony would have to wait until those parts came out to test them for compatibility, and maybe even develop firmware updates to ensure that they work.

 

Are you telling me that you couldn't use your brain and think for like a good, solid 30 seconds to figure that out by yourself?

 

You're really that stupid?

[jehurey 3,273]

1 hour ago, MalaXmaS said:

 

Also, couple that issue with the fact that the ram inside the ps5 heats up really fast and some of its components is not resting near the heatsink.

That will create some warping issues that will force some x-clamp solutions.

what, exactly, is warping?

 

what, exactly, needs to be "x-clamped"

 

I want you to fully detail your stupid theory.

[MalaXmaS 648]

13 minutes ago, jehurey said:

because there aren't many PCIe 4.0 SSD on the retail market when they manufactured the console during Summer 2020.

 

Samsung's 980 SSD did not come out until November

 

Western Digital's SN850 did not come out until October.

 

Sony would have done testing on their OWN OEM SSD drive.............which you can't buy................because its an OEM part, and you would be buying retail versions.

 

Sony would have to wait until those parts came out to test them for compatibility, and maybe even develop firmware updates to ensure that they work.

 

Are you telling me that you couldn't use your brain and think for like a good, solid 30 seconds to figure that out by yourself?

 

You're really that stupid?

You only need a handful to test that feature so that comment doesnt apply.

Still we are 1st quarter 2021, plenty of SSDs around and that feature is still locked.

Your argument just went out of the window.

[jehurey 3,273]

1 hour ago, MalaXmaS said:

You only need a handful to test that feature so that comment doesnt apply.

Still we are 1st quarter 2021, plenty of SSDs around and that feature is still locked.

Your argument just went out of the window.

No........you don't only "need a handful"

 

They would test an entire range of products, that all have different speeds, different types of flash modules, and they would have to develop a firmware update.

 

No, my argument didn't fly out the window.

 

Do you know what Sony was doing during November

 

....and December?

 

....and January?

 

They were trying to launch a new hardware platform and take care of higher priority things like the new OS, making sure its compatible with all types of TV with new technologies (4K, 120Hz, HDR). And new video games coming in hot.

That's what they spent their time on.

 

You're too stupid to see that............well, that's not really my fault.

Edited March 25, 2021 by jehurey

[DynamiteCop 2,087]

It's nearly been 5 months already, the fact that this hasn't happened yet should be extremely alarming. Think about it, it's updating a fan curve and activating a port which is already in the system.

 

Why has this not happened yet? Why have there been no certified drives announced yet? What in the hell is going on? This whole thing stinks like a much bigger problem.

[Tears of the Cows 1,213]

22 minutes ago, DynamiteCop said:

It's nearly been 5 months already, the fact that this hasn't happened yet should be extremely alarming. Think about it, it's updating a fan curve and activating a port which is already in the system.

 

Why has this not happened yet? Why have there been no certified drives announced yet? What in the hell is going on? This whole thing stinks like a much bigger problem.

Jerry is deflecting, but Mal and you are completely correct.  Sony had no ideas how to get this to work and it shows.