John Hopkins study found lockdowns had very little if any positive effect or COVID mortality

[Cooke 2,031]

8 minutes ago, jehurey said:

you're watching a fucking youtuber...........who does NO RESEARCH, with NO RESEARCH FACILITIES, and conducted NO TESTS.

 

You don't have any credible source............and you're lecturing us about the concept of "trust"

 

You aren't looking for the truth.

 

You have an agenda, and will post anything that fits your agenda.

The fucking truth is the vaccine has a 12% efficacy rate when they said it was 90.7%. OK? Is that truthy enough for you jehurey?

[jehurey 3,243]

Just now, Cooke said:

A youtuber.. He's an actual Dr.

So are the people at the CDC.

 

And............he still has not conducted his own research, his own testing.

 

That should be a big giveaway that he isn't a source of any kind.

 

He's not a doctor at that point.

 

he's not an institution

 

he's not an organization

 

He's just a youtube giving his opinion at that point.

 

His diploma is not a substitution for RESEARCH AND DATA

[jehurey 3,243]

Just now, Cooke said:

The fucking truth is the vaccine has a 12% efficacy rate when they said it was 90.7%. OK? Is that truthy enough for you jehurey?

No, the 90.7% was for "symptomatic COVID"

 

and no specifically for the Omicron strain, which is what that doctor is comparing it against (he has no choice but to, because its currently the dominant strain).

 

So once again...........you fail to imply proper context.

 

Pfizer isn't lying to to. You simply MISLEAD about how the data is applied in order to accuse it of being an intentional lie.

 

If I drive a car on a street full of ice..............I can't turn around and accuse General Motors and Ford of lying to me and selling me a car that isn't safe........because the car wasn't designed for THAT specific scenario.

 

The Pfizer vaccine is for the original COVID strain, the children's vaccine is a diluted form of the adult vaccine.

 

Omicron is not the original COVID virus, its a mutated variant.

 

Why are you playing stupid and not using basic common sense?

[Cooke 2,031]

1 minute ago, jehurey said:

So are the people at the CDC.

 

And............he still has not conducted his own research, his own testing.

 

That should be a big giveaway that he isn't a source of any kind.

 

He's not a doctor at that point.

 

he's not an institution

 

he's not an organization

 

He's just a youtube giving his opinion at that point.

 

His diploma is not a substitution for RESEARCH AND DATA

The CDC and FDA don't conduct their own testing and studies either dumb shit. They rely on the information provided by the pharmaceutical companies. If Pfizer had said this vaccine has an efficacy of 12% after 28 days do you fucking think it would be approved under an EUA? All FDA does is analyze the data provided by Pfizer. And Pfizer doesn't run the study either. They farm it out to a 3rd party. 

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-04163-8

 

And you know these companies are going to want to provide positive results to big Pharma so they can acquire future work contracts. 

 

 

[jehurey 3,243]

Just now, Cooke said:

The CDC and FDA don't conduct their own testing and studies either dumb shit. They rely on the information provided by the pharmaceutical companies.

 

 

They review tests that they establish.

 

This doctor hasn't conducted his own trials, either.

 

So thanks for pretty much admitting that he has less credibility than even the pharmaceutical companies.

 

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If Pfizer had said this vaccine has an efficacy of 12% after 28 days do you fucking think it would be approved under an EUA?

With it having no serious or long-term side effects?

 

Yeah, it would've been approved under EUA. Absolutely.

 

There were worse things that were approved for Emergency or Experimental use during 2020, and had less testing.

[Cooke 2,031]

Oh man, those socialist swedes with modern healthcare and some of the best healthcare outcomes in the world. Why would they do this!? 

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/sweden-decides-against-recommending-covid-vaccines-kids-aged-5-12-2022-01-27/

 

"With the knowledge we have today, with a low risk for serious disease for kids, we don't see any clear benefit with vaccinating them," Health Agency official Britta Bjorkholm told a news conference.

 

She added that the decision could be revisited if the research changed or if a new variant changed the pandemic. Kids in high-risk groups can already get the vaccine.

 

Oh wow would you look at that. 

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Cooke, you've got a lot of patience to do this man lol. 

 

I have 2 kids. I'm passing on the vaccine, I've read the statistics, we know it doesn't stop the spread and both of them are healthy. I'm vaccinated and that's good enough. They've both had covid anyway and it was very mild. 

[Goukosan 2,258]

34 minutes ago, Cooke said:

The fucking truth is the vaccine has a 12% efficacy rate when they said it was 90.7%. OK? Is that truthy enough for you jehurey?

 

Cooke with the patented bad faith argument. 

 

 

Pfizer Covid vaccine was just 12% effective against omicron in kids 5 to 11, study finds

 

That's 12% against the Omicron varient. 

 

It's 90.7 against Delta and almost 98% against the orginal strain. 

 

Pfzier said it was 90.7% against Delta, which was the strain at the time it was being rolled out to kids. 

 

"And the company’s final numbers, submitted to the FDA, show that the pediatric dose was 90.7 percent effective at preventing symptomatic cases of COVID-19 in this age group in the few months after inoculation, including over the summer, against the Delta coronavirus variant."

Edited March 1, 2022 by Goukosan

[jehurey 3,243]

20 minutes ago, Cooke said:

Oh man, those socialist swedes with modern healthcare and some of the best healthcare outcomes in the world. Why would they do this!? 

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/sweden-decides-against-recommending-covid-vaccines-kids-aged-5-12-2022-01-27/

 

"With the knowledge we have today, with a low risk for serious disease for kids, we don't see any clear benefit with vaccinating them," Health Agency official Britta Bjorkholm told a news conference.

 

She added that the decision could be revisited if the research changed or if a new variant changed the pandemic. Kids in high-risk groups can already get the vaccine.

 

Oh wow would you look at that. 

Except if you continue reading your own article:

 

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Sweden's government on Wednesday extended restrictions, which included limited opening hours for restaurants and an attendance cap for indoor venues, for two weeks but said it hoped to remove them on Feb. 9.

So, they have MUCH MUCH harder restrictions in the United States.

 

Gee.............I wonder why they don't need vaccines mandated as a high priority.

 

You are hurting your own argument.

 

In America, we have abandoned any series social distancing or restrictions, and kids are going to school everyday.

 

THAT is why vaccines would be more useful over here................because we're not bothering to do the OTHER THINGS that would help lower spread.

 

Things that Sweden is doing.

 

This guy thought he had a smoking gun article to win his side of the argument.

 

[jehurey 3,243]

13 minutes ago, Goukosan said:

 

 

 

That's 12% against the Omicron varient. 

 

It's 90.7 against Delta and almost 98% against the orginal strain. 

 

 

I didn't even go and verify that.................I was almost exactly positive that was what that stupid youtube doctor was INTENTIONALLY MISLEADING.

 

He should know better as a doctor that the Pfizer children's vaccine and the 90.7% claim is based on the ORIGINAL Covid strain.

 

Instead the youtuber doctor is being misleading.

 

And cooke is posting a misleading video from a doctor whom I would no longer watch his videos if I knew he was intentionally doing that.

[Goukosan 2,258]

2 minutes ago, jehurey said:

I didn't even go and verify that.................I was almost exactly positive that was what that stupid youtube doctor was INTENTIONALLY MISLEADING.

 

He should know better as a doctor that the Pfizer children's vaccine and the 90.7% claim is based on the ORIGINAL Covid strain.

 

Instead the youtuber doctor is being misleading.

 

And cooke is posting a misleading video from a doctor whom I would no longer watch his videos if I knew he was intentionally doing that.

 

Actually that was based on the Delta strain, the number is even higher for the orginal strain. 

[Literal Nazi Rudolf Hess 278]

24 minutes ago, Goukosan said:

 

Cooke with the patented bad faith argument. 

 

 

Pfizer Covid vaccine was just 12% effective against omicron in kids 5 to 11, study finds

 

That's 12% against the Omicron varient. 

 

It's 90.7 against Delta and almost 98% against the orginal strain. 

 

Pfzier said it was 90.7% against Delta, which was the strain at the time it was being rolled out to kids. 

 

"And the company’s final numbers, submitted to the FDA, show that the pediatric dose was 90.7 percent effective at preventing symptomatic cases of COVID-19 in this age group in the few months after inoculation, including over the summer, against the Delta coronavirus variant."

Uh.. shouldn't we adapt to new variants? Delta is gone bro. 

[Goukosan 2,258]

Just now, Literal Nazi Rudolf Hess said:

Uh.. shouldn't we adapt to new variants? Delta is gone bro. 

 

At the time the vaccine was being tested for children there wasn't an Omicron varient.

[Literal Nazi Rudolf Hess 278]

I think the point is, what's the point now? 

[Goukosan 2,258]

Just now, Literal Nazi Rudolf Hess said:

I think the point is, what's the point now? 

 

That wasn't Cooke's point he said that it's only 12% when they claimed it was 90.7%.  If he took two seconds to actually read something fully and not continually be intellectually lazy then he would have realized how stupid he looks once again. 

 

Those other two varients still exist FYI.  It's not as prevalent anymore because the majority of the population was thankfully vaccinated against it. 

 

 

 

 

[Cooke 2,031]

33 minutes ago, jehurey said:

Except if you continue reading your own article:

 

So, they have MUCH MUCH harder restrictions in the United States.

 

Gee.............I wonder why they don't need vaccines mandated as a high priority.

 

You are hurting your own argument.

 

In America, we have abandoned any series social distancing or restrictions, and kids are going to school everyday.

 

THAT is why vaccines would be more useful over here................because we're not bothering to do the OTHER THINGS that would help lower spread.

 

Things that Sweden is doing.

 

This guy thought he had a smoking gun article to win his side of the argument.

 

They have ended all restrictions bud

[Cooke 2,031]

4 minutes ago, Goukosan said:

 

That wasn't Cooke's point he said that it's only 12% when they claimed it was 90.7%.  If he took two seconds to actually read something fully and not continually be intellectually lazy then he would have realized how stupid he looks once again. 

 

Those other two varients still exist FYI.  It's not as prevalent anymore because the majority of the population was thankfully vaccinated against it. 

 

 

 

 

"Turns out vaccinating kids was pretty much a waste of time and the risk to them from vaccine injury was completely unjustified.  The doses were too weak, but if they made them more potent it could harm a much higher percentage of kids. And they are the least at risk group for covid complications. "

 

 

my very first point was that it was pointless and it continues to be pointless. 

[jehurey 3,243]

Just now, Cooke said:

They have ended all restrictions bud

After February 9th, when the Omicron strain had already come and gone.

 

LOL, you simply aren't paying attention.

 

Would've loved America, in all 48 contiguous states, to have restrictions as stringent as Sweden during the end of 2021 and through February 2022.

[jehurey 3,243]

Just now, Cooke said:

 

 

 

my very first point was that it was pointless and it continues to be pointless. 

You're point is invalid because you are misleading with the statistics and the claims.

 

And so was that youtube doctor.

 

His credibility is shot if he is intentionally misleading and no properly explaining the Pfizer statistic.

 

And it seems like he did exactly that, mislead.

[Goukosan 2,258]

1 hour ago, Cooke said:

"Turns out vaccinating kids was pretty much a waste of time and the risk to them from vaccine injury was completely unjustified.  The doses were too weak, but if they made them more potent it could harm a much higher percentage of kids. And they are the least at risk group for covid complications. "

 

 

my very first point was that it was pointless and it continues to be pointless. 

 

Based on your misunderstanding of the data as seen below when you tried to explain why you felt that way. 

 

2 hours ago, Cooke said:

The fucking truth is the vaccine has a 12% efficacy rate when they said it was 90.7%. OK? Is that truthy enough for you jehurey?