PS5 overtakes Nintendo Switch to become 2022’s best-selling console in the UK

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1 minute ago, Remij said:

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3 hours ago, sugarhigh said:

This is what I mean. That whole path is now permanently solved by handheld PCs. Nintendo won't even match Steam Deck performance if they come out in 2024.

 

Lmfao.  Those handheld PCs aren't coming close to the mass market of a Nintendo hybrid.  Stop the madness. 

 

Relatively speaking, the steam deck is as powerful as the Switch was when it launched 5 years ago.  A portable that more powerful than last gen (for Switch that was PS3/360) but not quite as powerful as current gen (PS4/X1). 

 

So you think 6 years later they're going to launch a system relatively weaker than the Switch was when it launched? 

Edited September 9, 2022 by Goukosan

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2 hours ago, Remij said:

Spider-Man Remastered is also Sony's fastest selling PC release so far  

 

In the UK yes. 

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2 hours ago, sugarhigh said:

PSP was a great system and anyone over 12 who bought a DS is still a virgin today.

 

However, there's a huge difference with handheld PCs: they don't need developer support. Without even trying, they're a better indie platform than Switch. There's no more novelty to a handheld that can plug into a TV because it is completely commodified.

 

The same reason why consoles outsell gaming PCs is the same reason Switch will outsell all those handheld PCs combined. 

 

Pick up and play ease of use of a console.  The mass market consumer is not tinkering for two hours to get a game to run. 

 

Keep dreaming. 

Edited September 9, 2022 by Goukosan

[Remij 4,683]

4 minutes ago, Goukosan said:

 

Lmfao.  Those handheld PCs aren't coming close to the mass market of a Nintendo hybrid.  Stop the madness. 

 

Relatively speaking, the steam deck is as powerful as the Switch was when it launched 5 years ago.  A portable that more powerful than last gen (for Switch that was PS3/360) but not quite as powerful as current gen (PS4/X1). 

 

So you think 6 years later they're going to launch a system relatively weaker than the Switch was when it launched? 

They will be limited in what they can do, due to power constraints.  Nintendo has far more stringent conditions to adhere to when it comes to their device's battery life.

 

That's literally the only thing that has me concerned about the next Switch.. with regards to being much more performant than the Deck. 

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5 minutes ago, Goukosan said:

 

In the UK yes. 

Wont be surprised when it's confirmed world wide.  

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1 minute ago, Remij said:

They will be limited in what they can do, due to power constraints.  Nintendo has far more stringent conditions to adhere to when it comes to their device's battery life.

 

That's literally the only thing that has me concerned about the next Switch.. with regards to being much more performant than the Deck. 

 

The power efficiency gains that Nvidia will target for Switch 2 will take care of that.

 

Unlike the first Switch, switch 2 chipset will be designed/tailored specifically for Nintendo. 

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Just now, Goukosan said:

 

The power efficiency gains that Nvidia will target for Switch 2 will take care of that.

 

Unlike the first Switch, switch 2 chipset will be designed/tailored specifically for Nintendo. 

You think so huh?  I'm not sure about that, at all.  If it's using Ampere, then efficiencies aren't going to be much better than RDNA2.

 

That's a fair point, but the Switch is already tailored to Nintendo in all the meaningful ways it can be.  Nintendo's customization will come down to removing things to improve battery life  

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5 minutes ago, Remij said:

Wont be surprised when it's confirmed world wide.  

 

Then that will solidify Sony charging full prices to PC owners for their old ports

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Just now, Goukosan said:

 

Then that will solidify Sony charging full prices to PC owners for their old ports

If they can get away with it then that's great for them.  I mean, they're trying to solidify $70 for remakes of old games on their primary platform as well.

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Just now, Remij said:

You think so huh?  I'm not sure about that, at all.  If it's using Ampere, then efficiencies aren't going to be much better than RDNA2.

 

That's a fair point, but the Switch is already tailored to Nintendo in all the meaningful ways it can be.  Nintendo's customization will come down to removing things to improve battery life  

 

The X1 hardware wise wasn't made with Switch in mind. 

 

The X1 was tailored to switch through API ONLY specifically NVN.  The chips set itself wasn't designed with Switch in mind.  Disabling some Cuda cores and down clocking does not equal the chip being designed for Nintendo. 

 

I'm saying whatever chip set they use for Switch 2 would have both software and hardware tailored to it... Unlike X1 which was purely tailored through APIs. 

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Just now, Goukosan said:

 

The X1 hardware wise wasn't made with Switch in mind. 

 

The X1 was tailored to switch through API ONLY specifically NVN.  The chips set itself wasn't designed with Switch in mind.  Disabling some Cuda cores and down clocking does not equal the chip being designed for Nintendo. 

 

I'm saying whatever chip set they use for Switch 2 would have both software and hardware tailored to it... Unlike X1 which was purely tailored through APIs. 

I know that.  The API and tools is the most important thing.  Nvidia isn't designing a new chip architecture for Nintendo

 

Since when has Nintendo ever not just used the cheapest option that was offered to them?  

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17 minutes ago, Remij said:

I know that.  The API and tools is the most important thing.  Nvidia isn't designing a new chip architecture for Nintendo

 

Since when has Nintendo ever not just used the cheapest option that was offered to them?  

 

Of course the API tools are the most important.  But tailored API tools +tailored hardware > tailored APIs alone.  Example OG Switch vs Newer. Model Switches... One has much better battery life because of the additional tailoring in hardware (designed on a smaller node) 

 

When has Nintendo went with the cheapest option besides the Blue ocean era? (Wii/u).  NES wasn't a cheap option for its time, Neither was SNES, neither was N64 or GameCube.

 

At the time the Switch was being developed the X1 was the best chip avaliable at mass market scalability for a hybrid console. 

 

Which brings me to my last point. 

 

The Switch 2 will be a Hybrid... Not just simply a handheld.  For it to work as a hybrid it has to be able to play console games on the go.  That would require at the least steam deck level or slightly above for Switch 2.

 

If it doesn't have that level of powder in Switch 2 then it wouldn't be a hybrid anymore because it wouldn't be able to play console games and would be relegated to just bring a handheld. 

Edited September 9, 2022 by Goukosan

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41 minutes ago, Goukosan said:

 

Lmfao.  Those handheld PCs aren't coming close to the mass market of a Nintendo hybrid.  Stop the madness. 

 

Relatively speaking, the steam deck is as powerful as the Switch was when it launched 5 years ago.  A portable that more powerful than last gen (for Switch that was PS3/360) but not quite as powerful as current gen (PS4/X1). 

 

So you think 6 years later they're going to launch a system relatively weaker than the Switch was when it launched? 

You sheep set yourselves up for this every time. The Switch was 2 years out of date when it launched. The Deck is so cutting edge, it outperforms boutique alternatives. Nintendo wouldn't even consider a comparable chipset given the size and cooling concessions Valve had to make.

 

The next Switch if it is the boring update we all expect, will be closer to the Oculus Quest 2 in raw performance than the Steam Deck.

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4 minutes ago, sugarhigh said:

You sheep set yourselves up for this every time. The Switch was 2 years out of date when it launched. The Deck is so cutting edge, it outperforms boutique alternatives. Nintendo wouldn't even consider a comparable chipset given the size and cooling concessions Valve had to make.

 

The next Switch if it is the boring update we all expect, will be closer to the Oculus Quest 2 in raw performance than the Steam Deck.

 

The Switch was two  years out of date compared to what other hybrid when it launched in 2017?

 

 

And You're proving my point.  The steam deck is also two years out of date as wel when it launched.

 

That's a given because it's a mobile system... But it is powerful enough to play console games on the go. 

 

Which  was the Switch was as well at launch in 2017.

 

And which will be Switch 2 when it launches next spring. 

 

Edited September 9, 2022 by Goukosan

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41 minutes ago, Goukosan said:

 

The same reason why consoles outsell gaming PCs is the same reason Switch will outsell all those handheld PCs combined. 

 

Pick up and play ease of use of a console.  The mass market consumer is not tinkering for two hours to get a game to run. 

 

Keep dreaming. 

This is why Valve has spent 10 years burning money to make Linux viable. SteamOS is easier to use than Nintendo's primitive system. Handheld PCs arent poking around on a desktop. They've got an excellent interface designed for gaming.

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3 minutes ago, Goukosan said:

 

The Switch was two  years out of date compared to what other hybrid when it launched in 2017?

 

 

And You're proving my point.  The steam deck is also two years out of date as wel when it launched.

 

That's a given because it's a mobile system... But it is powerful enough to play console games on the go. 

 

Which  was the Switch was as well at launch in 2017.

 

And which will be Switch 2 when it launches next spring. 

 

The Tegra chipset in Switch was an interesting mobile part when it launched with the Shield TV in 2015.

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1 minute ago, sugarhigh said:

The Tegra chipset in Switch was an interesting mobile part when it launched with the Shield TV in 2015.

 

Shield TV isn't a hybrid console, it's a streaming box that also plays games.  There's no portability or screen. 

 

But if that's the logic you're using.... What year did the chipset in the steam deck launch? How many years before Deck came out?

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Just now, Goukosan said:

 

Shield TV isn't a hybrid console, it's a streaming box that also plays games.  There's no portability or screen. 

 

But if that's the logic you're using.... What year did the chipset in the steam deck launch? How many years before Deck came out?

It's the same board inside. That's why the hacking community went to town on the original revision.

 

The chip in Deck is brand new and never seen before.

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6 minutes ago, sugarhigh said:

This is why Valve has spent 10 years burning money to make Linux viable. SteamOS is easier to use than Nintendo's primitive system. Handheld PCs arent poking around on a desktop. They've got an excellent interface designed for gaming.

 

And yet still the deck isn't ready for mass market.... You still have to tinker to get tons of games to work.  Its not a out the box experience as yet...same with the TV mode... Still in beta. 

 

Current Steam deck owners are basically beta testers for valve