Jesus is too woke for right wingers now.

[Mr. Impossible 409]

 

https://nypost.com/2023/08/09/former-top-evangelical-church-official-laments-christians-who-think-jesus-quotes-are-liberal-talking-points/

 

So I was right yet again. This is why when Republicans pretending they liked MLK grinds my gears. MLK was woke by today's standard and he was a black activist. They would absolutely hate King in today's world. 

[Mr. House 3,371]

We went from hating Jesus to MLK in half a second because of what some crazy pastor said. 

 

This is how your mind operates. 

[Mr. Impossible 409]

5 hours ago, Ramza said:

We went from hating Jesus to MLK in half a second because of what some crazy pastor said. 

 

This is how your mind operates. 

 

"What seems to be popular in this moment is not so much a prosperity gospel as a depravity gospel. In this depravity gospel, appeals to character or moral norms are met not with appeals of “Not guilty!” but with dismissals of “Get real!”

 

Yet this depravity gospel tries to lure us in. It doesn’t matter if you get to it by adopting it outright, with glee at cruelty and vulgarity, or if it drives you to the kind of cynicism that doesn’t ever expect anything better.

That way lies nihilism. You will find yourself in situations, and you may be in one of those situations already, where you have a responsibility for holding an institution accountable. Maybe it’s simply as a voter. You can just shrug and give your assent to anyone your party tells you to support. That will change you, over time. Maybe it’s as a church member or a part of some denomination or Christian ministry.

 

Do not confuse giftedness with character, in yourself or in anyone else. You shouldn’t expect your leaders to be sinless. They will sin, but there’s a difference between a sinning, repenting human being and a pattern of corruption. If the latter, you will have to ask yourself how to address it. Is it through staying where you are and seeking to effect change? Or is it by leaving and finding a new place to live and to serve? I don’t know. Much of that is contingent on factors you often just can’t know. I would suggest that you ask yourself where your vulnerabilities are."

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There's more... 

 

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“The presenting issue here is that, first and foremost, of sexual abuse,” Moore wrote. “This Executive Committee, through their bylaws workgroup, ‘exonerated’ churches, in a spur-of-the-moment meeting, from serious charges of sexual abuse cover-up.”

 

At the ERLC’s National Conference in 2019, Moore interviewed Rachael Denhollander, a former gymnast who was the first woman to publicly accuse Larry Nassar, the USA Gymnastics doctor, of sexual assault. (Nassar was the perpetrator in the largest sexual-abuse scandal in sports history and will serve the rest of his life in prison.) In the interview, Denhollander criticized the executive committee for how it had handled the case of Jennifer Lyell, who had accused a Southern Baptist seminary professor of abuse.

 

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So the man that speaks against prosperity gospel, blindly supporting political parties, and called out the SBC for covering sexual abuse in their churches - but he's some psychopath in your eyes (despite the fact that you know nothing about him) because he called out the kinds of morons that hate empathy and compassion? In what sounds like the most believable situation possible in the south. 

 

You are the same person who claims the LGBTQ community and I guess the hundreds of teacher unions out there are working together to turn all of the kids gay or trans to create more democrats and destroy the nuclear family. 

 

This is the right wing mindset I talk about. Y'all pretend your some kind of moderate liberals or whatever fence sitting bullshit, but you guys chud out every single time to defend right wing politics even at the expense of showing us how stupid and dishonest you guys are. 

Edited August 12, 2023 by Mr. Impossible

[Mr. House 3,371]

21 minutes ago, Mr. Impossible said:

 

"What seems to be popular in this moment is not so much a prosperity gospel as a depravity gospel. In this depravity gospel, appeals to character or moral norms are met not with appeals of “Not guilty!” but with dismissals of “Get real!”

 

Yet this depravity gospel tries to lure us in. It doesn’t matter if you get to it by adopting it outright, with glee at cruelty and vulgarity, or if it drives you to the kind of cynicism that doesn’t ever expect anything better.

That way lies nihilism. You will find yourself in situations, and you may be in one of those situations already, where you have a responsibility for holding an institution accountable. Maybe it’s simply as a voter. You can just shrug and give your assent to anyone your party tells you to support. That will change you, over time. Maybe it’s as a church member or a part of some denomination or Christian ministry.

 

Do not confuse giftedness with character, in yourself or in anyone else. You shouldn’t expect your leaders to be sinless. They will sin, but there’s a difference between a sinning, repenting human being and a pattern of corruption. If the latter, you will have to ask yourself how to address it. Is it through staying where you are and seeking to effect change? Or is it by leaving and finding a new place to live and to serve? I don’t know. Much of that is contingent on factors you often just can’t know. I would suggest that you ask yourself where your vulnerabilities are."

---

 

There's more... 

 

--

“The presenting issue here is that, first and foremost, of sexual abuse,” Moore wrote. “This Executive Committee, through their bylaws workgroup, ‘exonerated’ churches, in a spur-of-the-moment meeting, from serious charges of sexual abuse cover-up.”

 

At the ERLC’s National Conference in 2019, Moore interviewed Rachael Denhollander, a former gymnast who was the first woman to publicly accuse Larry Nassar, the USA Gymnastics doctor, of sexual assault. (Nassar was the perpetrator in the largest sexual-abuse scandal in sports history and will serve the rest of his life in prison.) In the interview, Denhollander criticized the executive committee for how it had handled the case of Jennifer Lyell, who had accused a Southern Baptist seminary professor of abuse.

 

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So the man that speaks against prosperity gospel, blindly supporting political parties, and called out the SBC for covering sexual abuse in their churches - but he's some psychopath in your eyes (despite the fact that you know nothing about him) because he called out the kinds of morons that hate empathy and compassion? In what sounds like the most believable situation possible in the south. 

 

You are the same person who claims the LGBTQ community and I guess the hundreds of teacher unions out there are working together to turn all of the kids gay or trans to create more democrats and destroy the nuclear family. 

Woah slow down chief. I don't know who he is. Still doesn't change he's one guy. You always seem to interpret one voice as if it means all of a sudden everyone on the right agrees on everything. If anything the right is far more divided than the world of current leftists due to diverging opinions. 

 

That's all I'm saying. 

 

Yes no LGBTQ is being pushed unto children. That's a conspiracy nut job talking point but saying right winged people would hate MLK today if I was still alive is a true fact. Happy? 

[Mr. Impossible 409]

38 minutes ago, Ramza said:

Woah slow down chief. I don't know who he is. Still doesn't change he's one guy.

 

No that wasn't your point, you called him crazy because you assumed he wasn't credible. All it takes is one guy to get you to believe anything you want to believe. Hypocrite. 

 

Hell, you base your beliefs based on gossip and conspiracy theories that exist in the ether. I've spent the last 18 months asking you to provide receipts for your beliefs and nothing has been posted so far. You don't even have "one guy" to back up what you claim. 

 

38 minutes ago, Ramza said:

You always seem to interpret one voice as if it means all of a sudden everyone on the right agrees on everything. If anything the right is far more divided than the world of current leftists due to diverging opinions. 

 

Again, this is what I mean by about dishonesty and stupidity. The right is "divided" on what? Trump or DeSantis? Both men who have entirely the same politics? Fuck, DeSantis is has been emulating Trump since he first ran for governor. 

 

What are the ideological differences on the right? Hell, what are the political differences? Liz Cheney and Adam Kizenger (sic) were driven out of office by the MAGA set despite the fact they voted along Trump lines over 90% of the time. 

 

Please post the diverse platform stances that exist on the right. Also feel free to ignore this like you didn't see it, like you always do when you can't actually make a legitimate counter. We're used to it. 

 

38 minutes ago, Ramza said:

That's all I'm saying. 

 

Yes no LGBTQ is being pushed unto children. That's a conspiracy nut job talking point but saying right winged people would hate MLK today if I was still alive is a true fact. Happy? 

 

Go fuck yourself. So right wingers hate CRT, Affirmative Action, BLM, police accountability, diversity initiatives, historically black colleges... All of the stuff that were spawned it advocated for by MLK, but would love them if he were still alive? 

 

Just like they love socialism? Which is pretty much everything Jesus Christ advocated for? The point isn't people disliking Jesus or MLK personality wise or in theory but practice. Especially right wingers who love democratic policies in "blind taste test" but hate them when they see a democratic label. 

 

It's like how they really like the ACA, but hated Obamacare, even though they are the same exact thing. They just hated it because he pushed for it. 

 

This is why you're dishonest...or stupid or both.

 

Do you really find it hard to believe the same people who go into the Lego store or target and tell the teenagers working there that they suport grooming and sexualizing children...like they fucking own Target or the Lego store or have any power over those companies would go up to their pastors and claim preaching forgiving or loving your enemies or that being rich is a sin or society should help the poor? If you do, then you're officially retarded. 

 

This is the "reactionary" nature you have. Nothing you have said in the past year and a half in here is nuanced, is supported by context, or even holds up in a philosophical examination. Everything you believe is based on how you personally feel about the topic and no tangible external ideology or data. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/17/mlk-is-revered-today-but-the-real-king-would-make-white-people-uncomfortable

 

 

 

That was barely 50 years ago. 

 

 

[Mr. House 3,371]

Rofl, thinking a corrupted organization like MLB that encouraged violent riots is equivalent to MLK. 

 

The left always speak with one voice on most issues while right wingers cannot get the party to work in unison like that with constant infighting. It's hardly praise anyway.

 

Leftists are pure sheep mentality these days. You are not any different than the typical social justice warrior leftist in anything you talk about on here, just more intelligent. 

[Hot Sauce 2,734]

1 hour ago, Ramza said:

The left always speak with one voice on most issues while right wingers cannot get the party to work in unison like that with constant infighting.

 

You might be the first person to ever call the Democrats coordinated.

[Mr. Impossible 409]

42 minutes ago, Ramza said:

Rofl, thinking a corrupted organization like MLB that encouraged violent riots is equivalent to MLK. 

 

They never encouraged violence, you're already starting to lie. 

 

42 minutes ago, Ramza said:

The left always speak with one voice on most issues while right wingers cannot get the party to work in unison like that with constant infighting. It's hardly praise anyway.

 

What constant infighting are they having? The McCarthy power play that was about a few commitee assignments? I'm talking policy. What policy difference exist with in the Republican party or even just conservative media? At most it's people just being slightly more cruel than one another. 

 

42 minutes ago, Ramza said:

Leftists are pure sheep mentality these days. You are not any different than the typical social justice warrior leftist in anything you talk about on here, just more intelligent. 

 

So I challenged you to post any external data to back up what you say and of course it's just whatever nebulous yet paradoxically clearly inaccurate political assessments you can think of in your head.

 

It's not about being smart as much as being informed. You constantly make strong claims about topics you're not knowledgeable about based solely on your first reaction to it or assumption you are making. 

[Goukosan 2,255]

Paging @Ramza to back up his claims. Tik Tok Tik Tok.. Times a wasting. 

 

[z,warrior 155]

This is moot. “I’m literally quoting Jesus Christ” is bullshit since Jesus didn’t write anything in the Bible. The pastor would have been quoting or paraphrasing hat is already a paraphrase of what Jesus may have said…

[Mr. Impossible 409]

17 hours ago, z,warrior said:

This is moot. “I’m literally quoting Jesus Christ” is bullshit since Jesus didn’t write anything in the Bible. The pastor would have been quoting or paraphrasing hat is already a paraphrase of what Jesus may have said…

 

Christians take it at face value. 

[z,warrior 155]

On 2023-08-15 at 5:14 PM, Mr. Impossible said:

 

Christians take it at face value. 

https://www.columbian.com/news/2023/jun/03/letter-jesus-was-original-woke-guy/#:~:text=The current discussions of this,legitimately be called “Christian.”

vs

https://answersingenesis.org/jesus/jesus-woke/

 

"yes Jesus would be woke because he stood for the marginalized" vs "no Jesus would not be woke because he enforced doctrines that the self-imposed marginalize oppose"

or "yes MLK would be woke because he too stood for the marginalized" vs "no MLK would not be woke because he was "colorblind" and against racial preferential treatment"

 

But at least the words of MLK that they are twisting... would have came from MLK, in that same second article of the guy saying Jesus was not woke, because Jesus said or did this and that... he still links all his sources under the name of the actual authors and none from Jesus himself because there were none. In fact, while the Gospel of Luke tells of the origins, birth, ministry, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus, Luke himself never actually met Jesus... so anything he wrote about Jesus, whether these actions would be labeled as "woke" or not, are entirely fictitious.

Edited August 17, 2023 by z,warrior

[Mr. Impossible 409]

12 minutes ago, z,warrior said:

https://www.columbian.com/news/2023/jun/03/letter-jesus-was-original-woke-guy/#:~:text=The current discussions of this,legitimately be called “Christian.”

vs

https://answersingenesis.org/jesus/jesus-woke/

 

"yes Jesus would be woke because he stood for the marginalized" vs "no Jesus would not be woke because he enforced doctrines that the self-imposed marginalize oppose"

or "yes MLK would be woke because he too stood for the marginalized" vs "no MLK would not be woke because he was "colorblind" and against racial preferential treatment"

 

But at least the words of MLK that they are twisting... would have came from MLK, in that same second article of the guy saying Jesus was not woke, because Jesus said or did this and that... he still links all his sources under the name of the actual authors and none from Jesus himself because there were none. In fact, while the Gospel of Luke tells of the origins, birth, ministry, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus, Luke himself never actually met Jesus... so anything he wrote about Jesus, whether these actions would be labeled as "woke" or not, are entirely fictitious.

 

I'm not sure what your point is. I dont believe in God or Jesus so it's not like I think the son of God said or did anything. The bible was written by literate people for specific reasons. I wager the power of religion to herd people was advantageous to the ruling classes of the world. What I am saying is there are a lot of people who fully believe in Jesus and believe the bible to be a historical record.

Edited August 17, 2023 by Mr. Impossible

[z,warrior 155]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Impossible said:

 

I'm not sure what your point is. I dont believe in God or Jesus so it's not like I think the son of God said or did anything. The bible was written by literate people for specific reasons. I wager the power of religion to herd people was advantageous to the ruling classes of the world. What I am saying is there are a lot of people who fully believe in Jesus and believe the bible to be a historical record.

my point is, we should be happy and encourage the teachings of Jesus to be seen as subversive, as opposed to crying about it when we can't use Christian conservatives' supposed preaching against them. "Yes, but that doesn't work anymore" in fact should be said more often to bible-thumpers threatening others that they are going to hell. There's absolutely nothing wrong with treating the "teachings of Jesus" as subversive bs whether because its too woke or anti-woke, its an outdated 2000year old text that no longer serves a purpose.

[Mr. Impossible 409]

10 hours ago, z,warrior said:

my point is, we should be happy and encourage the teachings of Jesus to be seen as subversive, as opposed to crying about it when we can't use Christian conservatives' supposed preaching against them. "Yes, but that doesn't work anymore" in fact should be said more often to bible-thumpers threatening others that they are going to hell. There's absolutely nothing wrong with treating the "teachings of Jesus" as subversive bs whether because its too woke or anti-woke, its an outdated 2000year old text that no longer serves a purpose.

 

People just need to learn empathy for people different from them. It doesn't have to be some grand over the top level of forgiveness or loving an enemy. They just need to recognize that other people are just trying to make their way through life the same way they are. 

 

Right wing social media has been encouraging people to dehumanize or villify people with different views with lies and misrepresenting reality and history because they can't do it with policy or even religion anymore. 

[Mr. Impossible 409]

Also, my point isn't about holding conservatives to their word or pointing out their hypocrisy. These people have no shame or honor. 

Look at the people here who are constantly proven wrong but haven't adjusted any of their expressed beliefs. 

 

It's just to illustrate why they are terrible and how obvious the fascade is. 

[Mr. House 3,371]

On 2023-08-12 at 11:53 PM, Mr. Impossible said:

 

They never encouraged violence, you're already starting to lie. 

 

 

What constant infighting are they having? The McCarthy power play that was about a few commitee assignments? I'm talking policy. What policy difference exist with in the Republican party or even just conservative media? At most it's people just being slightly more cruel than one another. 

 

 

So I challenged you to post any external data to back up what you say and of course it's just whatever nebulous yet paradoxically clearly inaccurate political assessments you can think of in your head.

 

It's not about being smart as much as being informed. You constantly make strong claims about topics you're not knowledgeable about based solely on your first reaction to it or assumption you are making. 

Every left wing in the entire western world espouse the same fucking talking points. The woke phenomenon alone is proof of the Sheep mentality of leftists, it's the same arguments everywhere. The authoritarian answer about Covid mandates is also enough and was the same everywhere. Hell, you're still crying about anti vaxxer to this day when people simple dare to question the efficiency of the mandates. Or the fear mongering of climate change and introductions of terrible green energy agenda energy that aren't feasible or proven scientifically. 

 

The way leftists demonize right wingers politicians is also the same everywhere, Orange man is bad, Farage is the new Adolf Hitler and Poilievre is Stalin reincarnated. It's the same tactic, same sheep mentality everywhere. Left wingers are the EXACT same in Canada, as they are in the US, as they are in the UK. 

 

Meanwhile do you think all Canadian/UK conservatives are doing the same exact shtick as their counterparts in the US about guns, the bible and abortions? The only point that I see a true consensus is immigration. Because everyone saw what happened in Europe and their disastrous left wing policies and no one with a functioning brain wants that. 

 

What about you guys prove to me the diversity of leftists instead? Which seems to be so clear to you guys. I have yet to hear one single argument that prove your point. Where are the diverging liberals opinions? Bill Maher who was chastised by most leftists? You guys don't even tolerate people with different opinions and you are trying to present yourselves as the political wing of diversity of thoughts. Absolute nonsense, this is honestly hilarious. 

[Mr. House 3,371]

Another point where all leftists are in universal agreement: The Ukrainian war. 

 

Only right wingers question it at all. Leftists are way too happy to indulge in the west official propaganda and be little war cheerleaders. Gonna add a little Ukrainian flag next to my name on Twitter, right next to my LGBTQ flag. 

 

Fucking morons.  

 

90% of leftists are just happy to be part of the herd that proclaims they have the moral high ground. Proof of this : You do that shit every single day here.

[Mr. Impossible 409]

2 hours ago, Ramza said:

Every left wing in the entire western world espouse the same fucking talking points. The woke phenomenon alone is proof of the Sheep mentality of leftists, it's the same arguments everywhere. The authoritarian answer about Covid mandates is also enough and was the same everywhere. Hell, you're still crying about anti vaxxer to this day when people simple dare to question the efficiency of the mandates. Or the fear mongering of climate change and introductions of terrible green energy agenda energy that aren't feasible or proven scientifically. 

 

A simplified take on Western leftist is views is to treat everyone with mutual respect and understanding based more on a secular ideology. Shocking and terrible to bootlickers/fascist/bigots who love hierarchies. I wont speak outside of the US but generally the Left messaging has from 2/3 to nearly 3/4 support from the general public. Almost all of the stuff you guys claim is crazy made up shit or purposely misleading or out of context information. You still can't actually name the terrible hive mind leftist ideologies you're talking about so you have to use "woke" like  a lazy bot.

 

2 hours ago, Ramza said:

The way leftists demonize right wingers politicians is also the same everywhere, Orange man is bad, Farage is the new Adolf Hitler and Poilievre is Stalin reincarnated. It's the same tactic, same sheep mentality everywhere. Left wingers are the EXACT same in Canada, as they are in the US, as they are in the UK. 

 

lol There you go defending Trump again... and Farrage? LMFAO Not going to defend Boris too?

 

Apparently right wingers in Canada were calling Trudeau Hitler, plenty of right wingers call Biden Hitler too. What's your point?

 

 

2 hours ago, Ramza said:

Meanwhile do you think all Canadian/UK conservatives are doing the same exact shtick as their counterparts in the US about guns, the bible and abortions? The only point that I see a true consensus is immigration. Because everyone saw what happened in Europe and their disastrous left wing policies and no one with a functioning brain wants that. 

 

IDGAF about Canada or the UK and have spent less than three minutes thinking of both combined over the past 5 years at most. 

 

2 hours ago, Ramza said:

 

What about you guys prove to me the diversity of leftists instead? Which seems to be so clear to you guys. I have yet to hear one single argument that prove your point. Where are the diverging liberals opinions? Bill Maher who was chastised by most leftists? You guys don't even tolerate people with different opinions and you are trying to present yourselves as the political wing of diversity of thoughts. Absolute nonsense, this is honestly hilarious. 

 

How about you actually make a valid point before dropping cards for others to pick up. You and Cooke arent American yet you both bootlick the political right so you're not even living up to the point you're trying to make.