I guess StarField is woke and designed to humiliate white men?

[Mr. Impossible 409]

 

 

Lmfao these are the types of people that half of you like or agree with on most topics. 

[z,warrior 155]

This guy literally goes “Bethesda there is nothing I love more... omg think of all the planets, all the people and places I go” …so he wants all this diversity in planets and people except their pronouns? That’s where he draws the line, in fact would rather they don’t have diversity in? 
 

And why is the inclusion of others taken as an exclusion of white men?? There are way too many white men with that kind of mindset, that if you give their privileges to others, than you are taking it away from them…

Edited September 4, 2023 by z,warrior

[Mr. House 3,371]

 

 

He sort of has a point. Bethesda RPG are the ultimate escapism fantasy. That's the whole point of their game existence, it's true role play in the truest sense of the word. You don't want to me reminded of real life modern politics in your fictional setting. Granted I don't know much about Starfield universe but it would feel very out of place in Elderscrolls or Fallout.

 

But then again, I had a LGBTQ flag in Fallout 76 for the longest time. The LGBT flags are free and automatically equip if you get them. Lmao. That sure as fuck didn't stop me from playing but I understand not wanting that immersion breaking shit in your games. It has no place in it. 

[Mr. Impossible 409]

32 minutes ago, Mr. House said:

 

 

He sort of has a point. Bethesda RPG are the ultimate escapism fantasy. That's the whole point of their game existence, it's true role play in the truest sense of the word. You don't want to me reminded of real life modern politics in your fictional setting. Granted I don't know much about Starfield universe but it would feel very out of place in Elderscrolls or Fallout.

 

But then again, I had a LGBTQ flag in Fallout 76 for the longest time. The LGBT flags are free and automatically equip if you get them. Lmao. That sure as fuck didn't stop me from playing but I understand not wanting that immersion breaking shit in your games. It has no place in it. 

 

It's a retarded sentiment. Every work of fiction is based on some real world allegory. You'd have to go to like HP Lovecraft to find shit that is completely bonkers outside of our world. There's almost always some sort of moral message as well as details that we need to understand the world we're experience or it's not actually possible to be immersed. I dont know much about Starfield but it doesn't seem to be some abstract world that is vastly alien to humanity. It just seems to be in the future with space travel. It's also pretty fucking dishonest to claim real world influences completely break immersion of enjoyment. Like Twinblade claimed an entire season of a show was ruined for him because in one episode, covid was mentioned one time for like 20 seconds. That same week he was belly laughing at how enjoyable an episode of another show was because they were bagging on woke people. No immersion broken, he didn't like a group of people and enjoyed seeing them mocked. It's people who can't accept views that they dont abide by. 

 

Some idiot on Twitter bugged me about how he was taken out of Top Gun 2 when one of the new pilot recruits was a pretty latina. He wasn't taken out of the story of a 60 year old air force pilot who then engages in a ground fight as well. He could could accept and believe that, because it was a straight white man. It's a weird level of cope and insecurity that's been growing at a cancerous rate since probably gamergate and only gotten worse with the cross pollination of MAGA/AntiWoke/redpill/manosphere/PUA/Gamergate/Snydercut  people. Like these freaks can play games where you can be an ork, cyborg, robot, alien, wizard. elf, or whatever have same sex marriages, interspecies relationships but a pronoun that never gets brought up again in game is a great slight to the them?  

[Mr. Impossible 409]

2 hours ago, z,warrior said:

This guy literally goes “Bethesda there is nothing I love more... omg think of all the planets, all the people and places I go” …so he wants all this diversity in planets and people except their pronouns? That’s where he draws the line, in fact would rather they don’t have diversity in? 
 

And why is the inclusion of others taken as an exclusion of white men?? There are way too many white men with that kind of mindset, that if you give their privileges to others, than you are taking it away from them…

 

"When equality feels like oppression" as the saying goes. 

 

I watched a podcast years ago when the new Star Trek shows were dropping and the host made a good point about the Elon Musk fanboys types who like Sci Fi but for all the wrong reasons. Like Star Trek has been woke AF since the 60s. The world eliminated capitalism and currency. It's literally a communist, one world government. If someone wrote that today these chuds would lose their minds about how woke it is. Yet when things looked like they were going to be woke all the middle aged white gatekeepers were crowing on about how woke they were turning Star Trek with no awareness of the lore in show and actually irl. They had a prominent heroic Russian character during the cold war. 

 

These guys like the technology, straight white avatars slaying alien pussy and beating aliens and running the universe and the technology. 

[Mr. House 3,371]

15 minutes ago, Mr. Impossible said:

 

It's a retarded sentiment. Every work of fiction is based on some real world allegory. You'd have to go to like HP Lovecraft to find shit that is completely bonkers outside of our world. There's almost always some sort of moral message as well as details that we need to understand the world we're experience or it's not actually possible to be immersed. I dont know much about Starfield but it doesn't seem to be some abstract world that is vastly alien to humanity. It just seems to be in the future with space travel. It's also pretty fucking dishonest to claim real world influences completely break immersion of enjoyment. Like Twinblade claimed an entire season of a show was ruined for him because in one episode, covid was mentioned one time for like 20 seconds. That same week he was belly laughing at how enjoyable an episode of another show was because they were bagging on woke people. No immersion broken, he didn't like a group of people and enjoyed seeing them mocked. It's people who can't accept views that they dont abide by. 

 

Some idiot on Twitter bugged me about how he was taken out of Top Gun 2 when one of the new pilot recruits was a pretty latina. He wasn't taken out of the story of a 60 year old air force pilot who then engages in a ground fight as well. He could could accept and believe that, because it was a straight white man. It's a weird level of cope and insecurity that's been growing at a cancerous rate since probably gamergate and only gotten worse with the cross pollination of MAGA/AntiWoke/redpill/manosphere/PUA/Gamergate/Snydercut  people. Like these freaks can play games where you can be an ork, cyborg, robot, alien, wizard. elf, or whatever have same sex marriages, interspecies relationships but a pronoun that never gets brought up again in game is a great slight to the them?  

Of course real life influence seeps in world of fictions. But it doesn't have to be so blatant and in your face. In this case, it's not even a part of the game universe as far as I can tell. It's just there to please real life modern ideology/sensibilities. I have no issue when it's well integrated. 

[Mr. Impossible 409]

1 minute ago, Mr. House said:

Of course real life influence seeps in world of fictions. But it doesn't have to be so blatant and in your face. In this case, it's not even a part of the game universe as far as I can tell. It's just there to please real life modern ideology/sensibilities. I have no issue when it's well integrated. 

 

How many games have you fill in information that never gets used again? Like the characters name or first name? Pluse we ALL USE PRONOUNS anyway or have them used in reference to us. People are acting like pronouns are descriptors no one uses but woke queer people. Like you never say "Where is she?" "I called him.", You dont expect to be called him or he by someone at some point? It's a thing because people keep telling you it's a thing. 

[Mr. House 3,371]

Just now, Mr. Impossible said:

 

How many games have you fill in information that never gets used again? Like the characters name or first name? Pluse we ALL USE PRONOUNS anyway or have them used in reference to us. People are acting like pronouns are descriptors no one uses but woke queer people. Like you never say "Where is she?" "I called him.", You dont expect to be called him or he by someone at some point? It's a thing because people keep telling you it's a thing. 

I understand uses of pronouns. lol This isn't a big deal.

 

I think I know why it's there though. Because they'd receive complaints if it wasn't. That's about the extent of it, it's not there to incorporate modern ideology in in a smart way that enhanced the work of fiction. It's just there to follow and obey the current ideology. That's all I'm saying, I don't really give a shit, that wouldn't affect my enjoyment at all.

[Mr. Impossible 409]

23 minutes ago, Mr. House said:

I understand uses of pronouns. lol This isn't a big deal.

 

I think I know why it's there though. Because they'd receive complaints if it wasn't. That's about the extent of it, it's not there to incorporate modern ideology in in a smart way that enhanced the work of fiction. It's just there to follow and obey the current ideology. That's all I'm saying, I don't really give a shit, that wouldn't affect my enjoyment at all.

 

There you go injecting your hangups on other people. You ever notice your negative cadence when talking about "woke" issues. 

 

It's always some untrustworthy, deceitful, or subjugation to the left or trans people or somethings. In your mind they couldn't have possibly put that in there simply to make it more inclusive in a non mechanical feature that doesn't impact the game except making the CAC seem a bit more robust. 

 

Or even just a fan service to a niche community on something that doesn't affect the game in anyway. It's always a boy transing to beat girls at sports or a media company afraid of a woke twitter hashtag. It's fucking wild who the good guys and the bad guys in your mind is giving the people you always give the benefit of the doubt despite all evidence pointing to the opposite. 

[z,warrior 155]

1 hour ago, Mr. Impossible said:

 

"When equality feels like oppression" as the saying goes. 

 

I watched a podcast years ago when the new Star Trek shows were dropping and the host made a good point about the Elon Musk fanboys types who like Sci Fi but for all the wrong reasons. Like Star Trek has been woke AF since the 60s. The world eliminated capitalism and currency. It's literally a communist, one world government. If someone wrote that today these chuds would lose their minds about how woke it is. Yet when things looked like they were going to be woke all the middle aged white gatekeepers were crowing on about how woke they were turning Star Trek with no awareness of the lore in show and actually irl. They had a prominent heroic Russian character during the cold war. 

 

These guys like the technology, straight white avatars slaying alien pussy and beating aliens and running the universe and the technology. 

I think Star Trek had the first interracial kiss on tv, and the controversy then seems like the same controversy now of having lgbt characters in popular fiction

[Mr. House 3,371]

7 hours ago, Mr. Impossible said:

 

 

 

It's always some untrustworthy, deceitful, or subjugation to the left or trans people or somethings. In your mind they couldn't have possibly put that in there simply to make it more inclusive in a non mechanical feature that doesn't impact the game except making the CAC seem a bit more robust. 

 

 Oh please. 

 

When we have made-up pronouns like They/Them referring to a single individual you know the whole thing is untrustworthy and deceitful by default.

 

Only deeply mentally unstable individuals gives a shit about pronouns. I played Bethesda games as female characters in the past. I didn't freak out when I was called a she in game.

 

This is meant to appeal to the overly sensitive snowflakes that needs every work fiction to perfectly reflect real life or they cry about it on the internet. Nothing more. Mah representashion! 

 

Reminds me of FFXVI developers being called racists because there are not enough people of color in it.

 

I spent most of my childhood playing JRPG with a bunch of queer looking Asian models saving the world. I never felt like any of them represented me. I still loved those games. Amazing I know, a kid who doesn't need every part of a work of fiction to cater to his every whim. 

 

[Mr. Impossible 409]

9 minutes ago, Mr. House said:

 Oh please. 

 

When we have made-up pronouns like They/Them referring to a single individual you know the whole thing is untrustworthy and deceitful by default.

 

Barring how stupid your logic is here, Plenty of games refer to individuals as they/them because players can create a male/female character and many games wouldn't have male/female pronouns specific dialog. Nothing was done to anyone, nothing lossed of forced upon anybody. 

 

9 minutes ago, Mr. House said:

 

Only deeply mentally unstable individuals gives a shit about pronouns. I played Bethesda games as female characters in the past. I didn't freak out when I was called a she in game.

 

 

Yes, I agree. That is why I made this thread to talk about these right wing psychos that act like this is some war being waged upon them. Funny how you guys are blind to anything right wing all of the time. 

 

9 minutes ago, Mr. House said:

 

This is meant to appeal to the overly sensitive snowflakes that needs every work fiction to perfectly reflect real life or they cry about it on the internet. Nothing more. Mah representashion! 

 

So the white guy dont do this too? Even in stupid shit like a fucking Barbie movie? Again, you're not hung up on people complaining about representation, you're bothered by particular groups of people being represented. 

 

9 minutes ago, Mr. House said:

 

Reminds me of FFXVI developers being called racists because there are not enough people of color in it.

 

Japanese people are pretty racist. It's funny how excluding black people is fine for "immersion" in worlds that never existed and not remotely rooted in our reality but a pronoun option in a CAC is a bridge too far. 

 

 

9 minutes ago, Mr. House said:

 

I spent most of my childhood playing JRPG with a bunch of queer looking Asian models saving the world. I never felt like any of them represented me. I still loved those games. Amazing I know, a kid who doesn't need every part of a work of fiction to cater to his every whim. 

 

 

If you're talking about JRPGS that's pretty funny since most of the  characters in those games dont look Asian at all. Hell most Japanese games/manga/anime have White passing visual designs so this point isn't even actually true. 

[Mr. House 3,371]

52 minutes ago, Mr. Impossible said:

Barring how stupid your logic is here, Plenty of games refer to individuals as they/them because players can create a male/female character and many games wouldn't have male/female pronouns specific dialog. Nothing was done to anyone, nothing lossed of forced upon anybody. 

 

Stop trying to normalize they/them to refer to an individual. It's not going to work.  

 

53 minutes ago, Mr. Impossible said:

Yes, I agree. That is why I made this thread to talk about these right wing psychos that act like this is some war being waged upon them. Funny how you guys are blind to anything right wing all of the time. 

I find the reaction just as ridiculous as you. Like I said, that wouldn't affect me.

 

54 minutes ago, Mr. Impossible said:

So the white guy dont do this too? Even in stupid shit like a fucking Barbie movie? Again, you're not hung up on people complaining about representation, you're bothered by particular groups of people being represented. 

It wasn't a comment about race. Not every work of fiction as to reflect the current reality and represent everyone. No arguments will ever make me change my mind on that subject.

 

55 minutes ago, Mr. Impossible said:

Japanese people are pretty racist. 

Did you just generalize for 120m people calling them racists? 

 

57 minutes ago, Mr. Impossible said:

If you're talking about JRPGS that's pretty funny since most of the  characters in those games dont look Asian at all. Hell most Japanese games/manga/anime have White passing visual designs so this point isn't even actually true. 

While that's true. They still look effeminate because they follow Japanese beauty standards and in no way do I feel represented by such characters, which was the point I was making. You can like a character that is the complete opposite of yourself, crazy I know. 

 

Stop trying to seeing your pathetic self in work of fictions. It's like the western devs making women with zero sex appeal on purpose. As if Lara Croft never appealed to women. 

[Mr. Impossible 409]

2 hours ago, Mr. House said:

Stop trying to normalize they/them to refer to an individual. It's not going to work.  

 

I find the reaction just as ridiculous as you. Like I said, that wouldn't affect me.

 

It wasn't a comment about race. Not every work of fiction as to reflect the current reality and represent everyone. No arguments will ever make me change my mind on that subject.

 

Did you just generalize for 120m people calling them racists? 

 

While that's true. They still look effeminate because they follow Japanese beauty standards and in no way do I feel represented by such characters, which was the point I was making. You can like a character that is the complete opposite of yourself, crazy I know. 

 

Stop trying to seeing your pathetic self in work of fictions. It's like the western devs making women with zero sex appeal on purpose. As if Lara Croft never appealed to women. 

 

IT'S A CREATE A CHARACTER, dumb bitch. WTF? The player is tasked with exactly creating what they want. Some people make extreme opposites of themselves. some people make their avatars look like they do irl, some people try to create pop culture icons. NOTHING has been forced. You dislike trans and queer people so much youre like "this is stupid but also he's right." lmfao

[Mr. House 3,371]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Impossible said:

 

IT'S A CREATE A CHARACTER, dumb bitch. WTF? The player is tasked with exactly creating what they want. Some people make extreme opposites of themselves. some people make their avatars look like they do irl, some people try to create pop culture icons. NOTHING has been forced. You dislike trans and queer people so much youre like "this is stupid but also he's right." lmfao

There's nothing normal about referring to an individual as they. I've played thousands of games with created character and I never, ever seen the pronoun They. This is nothing but a political statement to affirm non binary people.

 

This has nothing to do with trans. Better luck next time. 

[jehurey 3,231]

1970's:

"i dun wan my favrite comic books being ruined by today's politics!"

 

[goes back to reading X-men]

[Goukosan 2,255]

20 hours ago, Mr. House said:

 

 

He sort of has a point. Bethesda RPG are the ultimate escapism fantasy. That's the whole point of their game existence, it's true role play in the truest sense of the word. You don't want to me reminded of real life modern politics in your fictional setting. Granted I don't know much about Starfield universe but it would feel very out of place in Elderscrolls or Fallout.

 

But then again, I had a LGBTQ flag in Fallout 76 for the longest time. The LGBT flags are free and automatically equip if you get them. Lmao. That sure as fuck didn't stop me from playing but I understand not wanting that immersion breaking shit in your games. It has no place in it. 

 

Before I even came into this thread I knew you would have held this dumb ass position

[Mr. Impossible 409]

4 hours ago, Mr. House said:

There's nothing normal about referring to an individual as they. I've played thousands of games with created character and I never, ever seen the pronoun They. This is nothing but a political statement to affirm non binary people.

 

Nothing is 'normal' about referring to an individual as "y'all" but people in the south have been doing it for over a hundred years and the world is still spinning. 

 

It's odd but people acting like it's breaking their brains is as charming like a rotting corpse. 

 

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This has nothing to do with trans. Better luck next time. 

 

 

Lol yes it does. It's a deep seated thing. He even mentioned gender once or twice in his rant, and not grammar a single time. He later uploaded this reaction to a female clone of a male donor. So as futuristic and sci-fi as possible, but since it's a female clone based off a male character he has to have a issue with it. 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 5, 2023 by Mr. Impossible

[Mr. House 3,371]

Just now, Mr. Impossible said:

 

Nothing is 'normal' about referring to an individual as "y'all" but people in the south have been doing it for over a hundred years and the world is still spinning. 

 

It's odd but people acting like it's breaking their brains is as charming like a rotting corpse. 

 

 

 

Lol yes it does. It's a deep seated thing. He even mentioned gender once or twice in his rant, and not grammar a single time. He later uploaded this reaction to a female clone of a male donor. So as futuristic and sci-fi as possible, but since it's a female clone based off a male character 

 

 

 

I'm referring to my own statements. I'm not that guy. Dude is dying over a clone?  At least that's part of the game mythos, I have no issue with that.

 

I don't believe non binary is even a thing. To pretend you are neither female or male or both is nonsense. Trans aren't identifying as non binary seeing as they want to be the other sex which is why I'm saying my posts had nothing to do with trans people. I also still haven't figured out what is supposed to be a queer person. 

 

You need to stop thinking everything I say come from deep resentment. It really isn't. My best friend could come out as trans and I wouldn't change a thing. 

[Mr. Impossible 409]

1 hour ago, Mr. House said:

I'm referring to my own statements. I'm not that guy. Dude is dying over a clone?  At least that's part of the game mythos, I have no issue with that.

 

 

1 hour ago, Mr. House said:

I don't believe non binary is even a thing. To pretend you are neither female or male or both is nonsense.

 

I think you boomer-like types just disassociate when you hear something you don't immediately like and just let your lizard brain fill in the blanks. 

 

There's a number of reasons why some people identify as non-binary and it's not necessarily because they don't think they are male or female in  terms biology, but have in relation societal expectations of female humans vs male humans based on gender. I see chuds all the time saying "so they are tomboys, or androgenous...why not say that?" and it's like maybe an adult woman doesn't want to be called "Tom boy" like she's in the fucking 5th grade. 

 

Words and language changes around a lot less every few decades and it's always conservatives who have some problems for no reason. We say PTSD now instead of shellshock just like 20 years ago or whatever. 

 

I remember when I was a kid "ain't" was still a controversial. 

 

1 hour ago, Mr. House said:

Trans aren't identifying as non binary seeing as they want to be the other sex which is why I'm saying my posts had nothing to do with trans people. I also still haven't figured out what is supposed to be a queer person. 

 

Some do, everything has to be so black and white with you people to the point of making it impossible to ever actually make any growth or discovery. Also it's you people who tie all of this together because y'all have no actual principles. 

 

It's just "everything woke is bad", and to you guys woke is black ppl, women, gays, and trans ppl. 

 

Queer is basically anyone not straight. Again, IT'S NOT THAT HARD. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Mr. House said:

You need to stop thinking everything I say come from deep resentment. It really isn't. My best friend could come out as trans and I wouldn't change a thing. 

 

That's because you have no ideological consistency. When talking about a generic rhetorical Trans person, you assume all of the worst about them. I've been pointing that out loud to you for over a year now. 

 

You'll die on a mountain defending credible racist, misogynist, and transphobes but even a teenager in the process of transitioning is simply a grifter trying to exploit girls. 

 

You can't conceive and earnest trans person existing... Unless they wee already your friend I suppose.