Debate - Is MS going into next gen with good will or they are blowing it?

[Playstation Tablet 1,725]

Last gen Sony really started to build good will with the brand from 2009-2013 which really helped them with the PS4 launch. They focused on exclusives, finally started to build one of the strongest first parties. I remember the arguements of the era saying that exclusives are merely fanboy fodder, and that its purely multiplats like COD, Fifa, Madden etc that sell consoles. We've seen a complete 180 on this position in the gaming community this gen.

 

 

There seem to be two opinion on MS.

 

1. They're building good will with game pass, X (Seems most people forgot this thing exists vs the pre launch hype and first few months post launch) and studio buyouts. Though we haven't seen any of this actually translate into real world One sales.

 

 

2. The brand is devalued. Day 1 releases on Steam, ports of games to Switch. Lost marketing deals for core XBox associated franchise's like COD and FIFA that MS had at the start of the gen. Sony is giving gamers FF7, TLOU2, Ghosts right before PS5 launches and MS basically has a drought till Scarlett and even that is a day 1 Steam release. You have XBox focused user channels switching to PlayStation or endlessly bashing the shit out of XBox, and this is the crowd that buys thing like 500 dollar launch Ones sand Xs.

 

So which scenario is going to play in real life.

[lynux3 2,078]

They have good will with their existing hardcores through $1 subscriptions, that's about it. The brand is all but dead to the rest of the gaming community.

[Playstation Tablet 1,725]

3 minutes ago, lynux3 said:

They have good will with their existing hardcores through $1 subscriptions, that's about it. The brand is all but dead to the rest of the gaming community.

The biggest game pass defenders seem to be PC gamers on forums since they get them for 1 dollar and don't have to get an XBox lol. I'd be happy if I was a PC gamer and could get God Of War on PC day 1 on Steam as well.

 

Say what you want about One, but people bought it regardless assuming that they would get a console for 6-7 years with a library of exclusives. There was value in that. Plus MS is sticking to cross gen for the foreseeable future which is a weakness compared to Sony.

Edited November 28, 2019 by Team 2019

[Playstation Tablet 1,725]

We're also in an interesting timeline compared to the PS360 era.

 

God of War is a bigger franchise than Halo today, which is insane.

 

Uncharted nevermind TLOU is a bigger franchise than Gears.

 

Spiderman is bigger than any XBox franchise as well.

 

Horizon is also huge now Vs Killzone sales. It's bigger than Gears now.

 

 

In the PS2/PS3 era Sony had nothing that could measure upto Halo first party wise and even Gears saleswise.

[lynux3 2,078]

3 minutes ago, Team 2019 said:

The biggest game pass defenders seem to be PC gamers on forums since they get them for 1 dollar and don't have to get an XBox lol.

 

Say what you want about One, but people bought it regardless assuming that they would get a console for 6-7 years with a library of exclusives. There was value in that. Plus MS is sticking to cross gen for the foreseeable future which is a weakness compared to Sony.

This is just their initial push to get subscribers on board so that their service is actually sustainable. They need to stop giving hand outs to produce good will with their customers and start making fucking games. There's no better way to build good will than to produce high quality AAA content.

[Playstation Tablet 1,725]

1 minute ago, lynux3 said:

This is just their initial push to get subscribers on board so that their service is actually sustainable. They need to stop giving hand outs to produce good will with their customers and start making fucking games. There's no better way to build good will than to produce high quality AAA content.

I wonder how many people will stick around for a 10 dollar sub permanently after the discounts stop Vs subbing for one big game and then cancelling. Too bad MS will never give the data and numbers.

[lynux3 2,078]

5 minutes ago, Team 2019 said:

We're also in an interesting timeline compared to the PS360 era.

 

God of War is a bigger franchise than Halo today, which is insane.

 

Uncharted nevermind TLOU is a bigger franchise than Gears.

 

Spiderman is bigger than any XBox franchise as well.

 

Horizon is also huge now Vs Killzone sales. It's bigger than Gears now.

 

 

In the PS2/PS3 era Sony had nothing that could measure upto Halo first party wise and even Gears saleswise.

Almost all of Sony's biggest games (even Days Gone) are bigger than Halo and Gears. Gran Turismo Sport is killing Forza Motorsport and it had a horrible launch. Microsoft hasn't produced a single new quality IP since Gears. Sea of Thieves is trash and everything else they have was aquired and not produced internally like Sony.

Edited November 28, 2019 by lynux3

[Playstation Tablet 1,725]

Didn't God of War, Spiderman  and TLOU top Halo 3 MS's best selling game ever? We aren't talking Halo/Gears now, these games topped them in their prime years.

Edited November 28, 2019 by Team 2019

[lynux3 2,078]

Just now, Team 2019 said:

Didn't God of War and TLOU to Halo 3MS's best selling game ever?

Yeah, along with Uncharted, Spider-man and possibly even Horizon Zero Dawn.

[Spicalicious 128]

2 hours ago, Team 2019 said:

We're also in an interesting timeline compared to the PS360 era.

 

God of War is a bigger franchise than Halo today, which is insane.

 

Uncharted nevermind TLOU is a bigger franchise than Gears.

 

Spiderman is bigger than any XBox franchise as well.

 

Horizon is also huge now Vs Killzone sales. It's bigger than Gears now.

 

 

In the PS2/PS3 era Sony had nothing that could measure upto Halo first party wise and even Gears saleswise.

 

What happens when MS takes over again and sony fans once again have egg on their faces?  See green text - if ps2/ps3 era had nothing to measure up to Halo, what's stopping MS from doing the same with some other franchises to Sony?  It's nice to be overconfident on SW but you don't realize how easily the tables can be turned once again.  

 

So what's the ace up the sleeve cows?  bah bah exclusives? Don't expect to see the Outer worlds sequels and whatever else MS has coming down the pipe on your shit console. 

But you get play them on PC? 

 

1) Do you have a gaming PC capable of it?

2) Doesn't matter, Outer Worlds and sequels plus anything else coalition builds won't be on your precious shitstation consoles  

 

 

Edited November 28, 2019 by Spicalicious

[lynux3 2,078]

50 minutes ago, Spicalicious said:

 

What happens when MS takes over again and sony fans once again have egg on their faces?  See green text - if ps2/ps3 era had nothing to measure up to Halo, what's stopping MS from doing the same with some other franchises to Sony?  It's nice to be overconfident on SW but you don't realize how easily the tables can be turned once again.  

 

So what's the ace up the sleeve cows?  bah bah exclusives? Don't expect to see the Outer worlds sequels and whatever else MS has coming down the pipe on your shit console. 

But you get play them on PC? 

 

1) Do you have a gaming PC capable of it?

2) Doesn't matter, Outer Worlds and sequels plus anything else coalition builds won't be on your precious shitstation consoles  

 

 

[Remij 4,676]

They are going in with more good will than they had since the start of this generation after the always online and used games fiasco.

 

They've built up an impressive list of features and services... they quite simply just have to execute on games.

[madmaltese★ 2,558]

They have good will but are probably going in a new gen with the weakest their games have ever been. 

 

[Playstation Tablet 1,725]

38 minutes ago, Remij_ said:

They are going in with more good will than they had since the start of this generation after the always online and used games fiasco.

 

They've built up an impressive list of features and services... they quite simply just have to execute on games.

They started the gen coming off the 360, One was selling faster than the 360 initially.

 

So objectively they started off better than the 360, but are ending much worse by the end. So it's very debatable, since next gen isn't a fresh restart, and we could just see both carry on the current momentum.

[Remij 4,676]

5 minutes ago, Team 2019 said:

They started the gen coming off the 360, One was selling faster than the 360 initially.

 

So objectively they started off better than the 360, but are ending much worse by the end. So it's very debatable, since next gen isn't a fresh restart, and we could just see both carry on the current momentum.

They lost any of that momentum and goodwill within the first year of the console...  Once you lose the mindshare, then you're done.

 

They've done an admirable job of turning it around within the constraints of their situation.  If MS was pumping out high quality AAA games right now... they'd sell like hotcakes.  That's all they need.

[Playstation Tablet 1,725]

1 minute ago, Remij_ said:

They lost any of that momentum and goodwill within the first year of the console...  Once you lose the mindshare, then you're done.

 

They've done an admirable job of turning it around within the constraints of their situation.  If MS was pumping out high quality AAA games right now... they'd sell like hotcakes.  That's all they need.

I'm a bit concerned that by "making more games" MS is going to go for AA cross gen game pass fodder. I just hate the game pass business model were AA quantity matters more than rare AAA quality.

 

Sony doing day 1 PSN sub releases would also result in a nightmare scenario for AAA single player games.

[TLHBO 2,162]

54 minutes ago, Remij_ said:

They lost any of that momentum and goodwill within the first year of the console...  Once you lose the mindshare, then you're done.

 

They've done an admirable job of turning it around within the constraints of their situation.  If MS was pumping out high quality AAA games right now... they'd sell like hotcakes.  That's all they need.

If....IF Microsoft was pumping out AAA games.

 

but they aren’t, and having been for basically an entire decade now. Microsoft is not capable of this anymore.

[TLHBO 2,162]

2 hours ago, Spicalicious said:

 

What happens when MS takes over again and sony fans once again have egg on their faces? 

What happens when the end times occur and everyone realises that Islam was the true religion all along?

 

Oh wait, it’s never going to happen just like your scenario. In fact I’d argue there is more case for mine being more likely to happen than yours.

[102020393023445948594 2,223]

look at this forum, most of the 'xbox' supporters are wearing orange names.

 

they have no goodwill beyond the $1 PC beggars, they love MS because MS fucked over their customers and handed everything to PoC gamers on a silver platter.

 

the only saving grace is that pretty much everything MS makes is sub 6.0 trash so PC gamers really didn't get much, just the hollowed out shell of gears and a few racing car non-games.

[Playstation Tablet 1,725]

PS4/One launched in 2013, and by Q4 2014 the PS4/One versions were outselling the PS360 versions 2:1 with a fraction of the userbase.

 

The battle isn't really to the top 100 million, it's who gets the 30-40 million most active users that buy like 80% of all the shit released. It's why securing the hardcore is absolutely crucial.

 

Those people buying $150 XBox and $200 PS4 BF bundles barely buy anything long term or on a consistent basis. One SW memeber probably spends 20x the average person spends on gaming a year if not more.

Edited November 28, 2019 by Team 2019