Remij 4,679 Posted August 9, 2020 Author Share Posted August 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, jehurey said: Except Switch is already breaking all sales records, and it had already been supply constrained during two separate summers. It really is funny how you're trying to find a way to downplay it. Except the reason why Switch is breaking sales records is because it's serving two markets. And Nintendo's handheld market was the big money maker for them. The WiiU flopped like the shit garbage it was, and the Switch wouldn't be much better if it wasn't for the handheld aspect combining both markets into one. You're dumb Jehurey... but you're not THAT dumb. You KNOW that's the only reason it's reached the sales numbers it has at this point. And appealing to handheld gamers along with games meant to penetrate a large of a demographic as possible with games like RingFit and Pokemon and Animal Crossing, is the reason why Nintendo has the numbers it does and has broke records during a pandemic where video games are one of the main sources for entertainment. Breaking down the Switch's "success" is extremely easy. Nintendo folded an entire market into the other. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,679 Posted August 9, 2020 Author Share Posted August 9, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Goukosan said: The resources that Sony poured into this handheld market for Vita and PSP. When Sony left that market, where did those resources go? (1st party Developers, Budgets etc) Resources =/= market dumbass. Sony combined all their resources to serve ONE market with ONE product. Nintendo combined all their resources to serve TWO markets with ONE product. Edited August 9, 2020 by HALOmij Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,230 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 1 minute ago, HALOmij said: Except the reason why Switch is breaking sales records is because it's serving two markets. And Nintendo's handheld market was the big money maker for them. The WiiU flopped like the shit garbage it was, and the Switch wouldn't be much better if it wasn't for the handheld aspect combining both markets into one. You're dumb Jehurey... but you're not THAT dumb. You KNOW that's the only reason it's reached the sales numbers it has at this point. And appealing to handheld gamers along with games meant to penetrate a large of a demographic as possible with games like RingFit and Pokemon and Animal Crossing, is the reason why Nintendo has the numbers it does and has broke records during a pandemic where video games are one of the main sources for entertainment. Breaking down the Switch's "success" is extremely easy. Nintendo folded an entire market into the other. No. I'm pretty sure selling 22 million copies of Animal Crossing at $60 is a bigger moneymaker than selling Animal Crossing New Leaf at $40. Those are facts, dude. In fact, Animal Crossing Switch has sold more than BOTH Animal Crossing games that were released on the same handheld. Animal Crossing New Leaf + Happy Home designer = 15.49 million Animal Crossing Wide World (DS) + City Folk (Wii) = 15.13 million Sorry.........the facts don't support your weak theory. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,679 Posted August 9, 2020 Author Share Posted August 9, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, jehurey said: No. I'm pretty sure selling 22 million copies of Animal Crossing at $60 is a bigger moneymaker than selling Animal Crossing New Leaf at $40. Those are facts, dude. In fact, Animal Crossing Switch has sold more than BOTH Animal Crossing games that were released on the same handheld. Animal Crossing New Leaf + Happy Home designer = 15.49 million Animal Crossing Wide World (DS) + City Folk (Wii) = 15.13 million Sorry.........the facts don't support your weak theory. Nintendo is ripping off gamers by selling handheld games for $60 now. Handheld gaming fans are forced to buy into Switch at this point. Nintendo knows this and is taking advantage of them. They consolidated their markets and are able to sell games at higher prices due to the fact that the console can be played traditionally as well as portably. And again... handheld Animal Crossing games weren't sold during a world wide pandemic... Sorry, but the facts COMPLETELY support my theory. Nintendo's handheld market-base is what's buying and propping Switch's sales up. As a traditional console only, it would be a failure compared to PS4, and possibly even XO. Edited August 9, 2020 by HALOmij Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,230 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Just now, HALOmij said: Nintendo is ripping off gamers by selling handheld games for $60 now. He just abandoned his own argument. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,679 Posted August 9, 2020 Author Share Posted August 9, 2020 Just now, jehurey said: He just abandoned his own argument. No They're one in the same market for Nintendo now.... LMAO Talk about completely missing the point Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,255 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, HALOmij said: Resources =/= market dumbass. Sony combined all their resources to serve ONE market with ONE product. Nintendo combined all their resources to serve TWO markets with ONE product. Thanks for proving my point. Both Nintendo and Sony combined their resources to make one product. The only difference is Sony made a dedicated Console and Nintendo Made a Hybrid. Sony is breaking their own internal records and making more money than they every did. Nintendo is breaking industry records and making more money than they ever did. So the notion that the Switch is a "perceived" success is beyond retard Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,679 Posted August 9, 2020 Author Share Posted August 9, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Goukosan said: Thanks for proving my point. Both Nintendo and Sony combined their resources to make one product. The only difference is Sony made a dedicated Console and Nintendo Made a Hybrid. Sony is breaking their own internal records and making more money than they every did. Nintendo is breaking industry records and making more money than they ever did. So the notion that the Switch is a "perceived" success is beyond retard Nope. Nintendo's product serves 2 markets... Sony's serves one. Switch IS a perceived success.... it's being compared to other products which only serve ONE market. They aren't directly comparable.. Breaking records.... because of a pandemic Edited August 9, 2020 by HALOmij Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,255 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, HALOmij said: Nintendo is ripping off gamers by selling handheld games for $60 now. Handheld gaming fans are forced to buy into Switch at this point. Nintendo knows this and is taking advantage of them. They consolidated their markets and are able to sell games at higher prices due to the fact that the console can be played traditionally as well as portably. And again... handheld Animal Crossing games weren't sold during a world wide pandemic... Sorry, but the facts COMPLETELY support my theory. Nintendo's handheld market-base is what's buying and propping Switch's sales up. As a traditional console only, it would be a failure compared to PS4, and possibly even XO. Yes the Hybrid nature of the Switch is its major selling point.... That's the entire point of the Switch.... the flexibility of a hybrid.... it took you 3 years to realize this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,230 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Just now, HALOmij said: No They're one in the same market for Nintendo now.... LMAO Talk about completely missing the point Yes you did. YOu completely abandoned it and started making excuses. You are NOW SAYING that alot of people bought Animal Crossing because of the pandemic. Oh I see. So............right before the pandemic started, Micrsoft had announced they had 10 million GamePass subscriptions, so judging by your theory that the pandemic just caused alot of people to get into video games.........that would mean GamePass subscriptions must've skyrocketed, right? I mean..............if a pandemic caused alot of people to pay $300 plus an additional $60 JUST FOR Animal Crossing. Then a $10-$15 subscriptions must've exceed over 15 million, or 20 million subscribers, right?????? Microsoft would've made a press release boasting about that, right? You can confirm that for us, right? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,255 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Just now, HALOmij said: Nope. Nintendo's product serves 2 markets... Sony's serves one. Switch IS a perceived success.... it's being compared to other products which only serve ONE market. They aren't directly comparable.. Nintendo has always served two markets and are making more money now with Switch as one device serving two markets than they did serving two markets with two systems. Switch is a success no matter how you spin it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,679 Posted August 9, 2020 Author Share Posted August 9, 2020 Just now, jehurey said: Yes you did. YOu completely abandoned it and started making excuses. You are NOW SAYING that alot of people bought Animal Crossing because of the pandemic. Oh I see. So............right before the pandemic started, Micrsoft had announced they had 10 million GamePass subscriptions, so judging by your theory that the pandemic just caused alot of people to get into video games.........that would mean GamePass subscriptions must've skyrocketed, right? I mean..............if a pandemic caused alot of people to pay $300 plus an additional $60 JUST FOR Animal Crossing. Then a $10-$15 subscriptions must've exceed over 15 million, or 20 million subscribers, right?????? Microsoft would've made a press release boasting about that, right? You can confirm that for us, right? Switch = ONE console TWO markets PS/XO = ONE console ONE market Nintendo has ALWAYS had control of the handheld market. It was by far their biggest market.. outside of when the Wii was popular. WiiU flopped like shit.. literally only sold 14M Nintendo folded the handheld market into the traditional market... and thus Switch is successful. But it's success is based on the fact that it's serving TWO markets. If it was a traditional console only... there would be no 60M Switches sold at this point... NOT EVEN CLOSE. Deal with the facts Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,679 Posted August 9, 2020 Author Share Posted August 9, 2020 Just now, Goukosan said: Nintendo has always served two markets and are making more money now with Switch as one device serving two markets than they did serving two markets with two systems. Switch is a success no matter how you spin it As a traditional Nintendo console... it would fail. It's being propped up by the handheld market. Call it what you want... just recognize the facts... it's a sidekick "me too" console Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,230 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Just now, HALOmij said: Sorry, answer the question. You just tried to dismiss Animal Crossings sales as being nothing more than it benefitting from a pandemic. So.............thats a UNIVERSAL THING..............and we can see such increases in game buying all across the board. And the easiest purchase for ANY game to make..............would be a $5, $10, or $15 GamePass purchase. So..............after the 10 million subscriber in April...........it must've exploded into huge increases, right? At least double, right? I'm sure Microsoft would've boasted about it in a press release right? Because if that didn't happen.............then your excuse about Animal Crossing completely falls apart..........now don't it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,255 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 18 minutes ago, HALOmij said: And appealing to handheld gamers along with games meant to penetrate a large of a demographic as possible with games like RingFit and Pokemon and Animal Crossing, is the reason why Nintendo has the numbers it does and has broke records during a pandemic where video games are one of the main sources for entertainment. Lmfao you think AC sold that because of a pandemic? Yea the pandemic helped add a few million on there.... but it would have sold that about 20 million anyway Zelda, Smash, Mario, Kart and Pokemon all heading towards 20 million sold before the pandemic hit. Historically AC sells more than all. those franchises (Except for Pokémon) on average. So given how those franchises sold on Switch and How AC sold in the past, it was bound to sell 20 million regardless of a pandemic or not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,679 Posted August 9, 2020 Author Share Posted August 9, 2020 Just now, jehurey said: Sorry, answer the question. You just tried to dismiss Animal Crossings sales as being nothing more than it benefitting from a pandemic. So.............thats a UNIVERSAL THING..............and we can see such increases in game buying all across the board. And the easiest purchase for ANY game to make..............would be a $5, $10, or $15 GamePass purchase. So..............after the 10 million subscriber in April...........it must've exploded into huge increases, right? At least double, right? I'm sure Microsoft would've boasted about it in a press release right? Because if that didn't happen.............then your excuse about Animal Crossing completely falls apart..........now don't it? Switch serves 2 markets. Games are selling like crazy right now. Their sales records are down to those facts. As a traditional console... the Switch would be fraction of what it is right now. A failure by any reasonable measure. It wouldn't even be close to XO numbers. Nintendo saw their traditional market evaporate with the WiiU... and they decided that the best course of action was to pool their resources into one product that could serve both markets. Nobody's saying it's not smart....they were flopping hard in the traditional market... just that the "success" cost them consolidating their markets into one product. They'll never be able to separate the two again and have 2 flagship products leading their respective markets. That ship has sailed Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,255 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, HALOmij said: As a traditional Nintendo console... it would fail. It's being propped up by the handheld market. Call it what you want... just recognize the facts... it's a sidekick "me too" console bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbuuutut if this and if that Reality is... Switch is here... it was designed as Hybrid and it's a success..... deal with it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quad Damage 1,730 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 playstation and nintendo reached their final forms by focusing on one platform. maybe ms should do the same. makes you think Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,679 Posted August 9, 2020 Author Share Posted August 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Goukosan said: Lmfao you think AC sold that because of a pandemic? Yea the pandemic helped add a few million on there.... but it would have sold that about 20 million anyway Zelda, Smash, Mario, Kart and Pokemon all heading towards 20 million sold before the pandemic hit. Historically AC sells more than all. those franchises (Except for Pokémon) on average. So given how those franchises sold on Switch and How AC sold in the past, it was bound to sell 20 million regardless of a pandemic or not. AC games always sell amazingly. I never said it sold that way because of the pandemic. I said it helped it break records. These are the kinds of games that sell well to Nintendo's bread and butter... the handheld market. My whole fucking point... is those 60M Switches out there... are because of the handheld market. That market is propping up the Switch numbers to make it look more impressive than it actually is. As ONE product serving TWO markets... fuck, it should be selling even better. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,230 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Just now, HALOmij said: Sorry, you're not getting out of this. You tried to give an excuse about ANimal Crossing by saying it merely benefitted from a unique, once-in-a-lifetime pandemic. So your excuse is UNIVERSAL................and can be applicable to ANYTHING video game related in terms of sales, right? SO you can point to me the explosion of new GamePass subscribers since they crossed 10 million in April, right? You can do that to prove that the Animal Crossing sales are nothing special, right? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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