Why was it immediately deemed a "conspiracy" to say covid came from a lab?

[Cooke 2,031]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10495613/Early-version-Covid-19-discovered-Chinese-lab.html

[jehurey 3,243]

On 2022-02-10 at 7:55 AM, Cooke said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10495613/Early-version-Covid-19-discovered-Chinese-lab.html

that's the daily mail

 

you already no that's not going to go anywhere around actual adults.

 

LOL, now I know why you only post links, but not the actual contents of the article.

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Scientists in Hungary found traces of a unique variant of coronavirus while examining DNA from soil from Antarctica that had been sent to the firm Sangon Biotech in Shanghai.

The researchers also found genetic material from Chinese hamsters and green monkeys, which may suggest the virus was being examined in a lab, using either the animals themselves or their cells.

Some of those who support the lab leak theory suggest Chinese scientists engineered the virus in a lab to make it more dangerous as part of an experiment, before the virus escaped.

Viscount Ridley, author of Viral: The Search for the Origin of Covid-19, suggested the latest evidence may support the lab leak theory due to the presence of 'three key [Covid] mutations' that are characteristic of the earliest sequences of the virus.

The discovery, from analysis of soil samples, suggests coronavirus may not have jumped from wildlife into humans naturally (file photo used)

However, the findings must be interpreted with caution, as the soil DNA may have been contaminated with the virus by the first Covid patients, who were reported by China in December 2019.

The soil samples were sent in the same month to Sangon Biotech but it is not clear when they were analysed.

 

The reason why I enlarge that is because that theory gets demolished by this:

 

 

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COVID-19 Appeared in Boy in Italy in November 2019

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20201213/covid-19-appeared-in-boy-in-italy-in-november-2019

 

 

 

 

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More evidence suggests COVID-19 was in US by Christmas 2019

By MIKE STOBBEJune 15, 2021

https://apnews.com/article/more-evidence-covid-in-US-by-Christmas-2019-11346afc5e18eee81ebcf35d9e6caee2

 

 

 

 

And those samples went to Shanghai, no Wuhan...in December.  It absolutely fails to match the timeline, AND the location.

[Cooke 2,031]

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fviro.2022.834808/full

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7744920/

 

More evidence the virus was manipulated in a lab. Containing a patented DNA sequence of Moderna (2016).  Apparently the odds of this happening are 1 in a factor of trillions. 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10542309/Fresh-lab-leak-fears-study-finds-genetic-code-Covids-spike-protein-linked-Moderna-patent.html

 

So far no major news has reported in this except for the lol daily mail. 

Edited February 24, 2022 by Cooke

[jehurey 3,243]

5 hours ago, Cooke said:

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fviro.2022.834808/full

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7744920/

 

More evidence the virus was manipulated in a lab. Containing a patented DNA sequence of Moderna (2016).  Apparently the odds of this happening are 1 in a factor of trillions. 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10542309/Fresh-lab-leak-fears-study-finds-genetic-code-Covids-spike-protein-linked-Moderna-patent.html

 

So far no major news has reported in this except for the lol daily mail. 

What passage from those articles specifically cite the "evidence" that the virus was "manipulated in a lab"

 

Actually go and post the passage.

 

Or else its pretty much looking like you don't actually read these articles.

[Cooke 2,031]

5 minutes ago, jehurey said:

What passage from those articles specifically cite the "evidence" that the virus was "manipulated in a lab"

 

Actually go and post the passage.

 

Or else its pretty much looking like you don't actually read these articles.

A BLAST search revealed that a 19 nucleotide portion of the SARS.Cov2 genome encompassing the furing cleavage site is a 100% complementary match to a codon-optimized proprietary sequence that is the reverse complement of the human mutS homolog (MSH3). The reverse complement sequence present in SARS-CoV-2 may occur randomly but other possibilities must be considered. Recombination in an intermediate host is an unlikely explanation. Single stranded RNA viruses such as SARS-CoV-2 utilize negative strand RNA templates in infected cells, which might lead through copy choice recombination with a negative sense SARS-CoV-2 RNA to the integration of the MSH3 negative strand, including the FCS, into the viral genome. In any case, the presence of the 19-nucleotide long RNA sequence including the FCS with 100% identity to the reverse complement of the MSH3 mRNA is highly unusual and requires further investigations.  

 

more investigation required obviously 

[jehurey 3,243]

1 minute ago, Cooke said:

A BLAST search revealed that a 19 nucleotide portion of the SARS.Cov2 genome encompassing the furing cleavage site is a 100% complementary match to a codon-optimized proprietary sequence that is the reverse complement of the human mutS homolog (MSH3). The reverse complement sequence present in SARS-CoV-2 may occur randomly but other possibilities must be considered. Recombination in an intermediate host is an unlikely explanation. Single stranded RNA viruses such as SARS-CoV-2 utilize negative strand RNA templates in infected cells, which might lead through copy choice recombination with a negative sense SARS-CoV-2 RNA to the integration of the MSH3 negative strand, including the FCS, into the viral genome. In any case, the presence of the 19-nucleotide long RNA sequence including the FCS with 100% identity to the reverse complement of the MSH3 mRNA is highly unusual and requires further investigations.  

 

more investigation required obviously 

Except anybody who has been paying attention knows that mRNA vaccines first started after SARS in 2009, and they worked on developing the mRNA vaccine until funding dried up because the virus had already come and gone.

And, anybody who has been paying attention, knows that COVID-19 novel coronavirus shares many similarities with SARS.

That is why the mRNA development was able to turn around and produce a vaccine so quickly, because they used the work they had already partially started.

So..........the article is "revealing" that the Modern mRNA vaccine is using some genetic sequencing that is similar to SARS?

Yeah, no shit. They used the partial worked they had developed for SARS and altered it for COVID-19.

Here is the first article that I found when I googled for "moderna mrna developed SARS"

Dated August 2020

 

So, to explain in layman's terms.

Moderna had been developing mRNA for SARS in 2009, 2010, 2011, and then they stopped.

Covid-19 comes along, and governments need to get a vaccine quick.

Moderna takes the preliminary mRNA design developed for SARS, and they quickly modify it for the COVID-19 strain.

This has been known since they started discussing mRNA vaccines.

[Cooke 2,031]

I think you're missing the point. They are simply explaining that it is very unlikely something like this could happen naturally. To have a unique patented DNA sequence appear in a virus that was not manipulated in a lab is a 1 in a multi trillion event. 

 

But you do you jehurey. It came 100% from nature, yup you're right. Not sure why you can't accept other possibilities. 

[jehurey 3,243]

5 hours ago, Cooke said:

I think you're missing the point. They are simply explaining that it is very unlikely something like this could happen naturally. To have a unique patented DNA sequence appear in a virus that was not manipulated in a lab is a 1 in a multi trillion event. 

 

 

No, from the very beginning there had been comparisons of COVID-19 being a respiratory virus with many similarities to SARS.

 

And nowhere in that passage did they imply HUMAN MANIPULATION.

 

Your shittier click-bait articles are the ones who claimed that conclusion, correct?

[Cooke 2,031]

1 minute ago, jehurey said:

No, from the very beginning there had been comparisons of COVID-19 being a respiratory virus with many similarities to SARS.

 

And nowhere in that passage did they imply HUMAN MANIPULATION.

 

Your shittier click-bait articles are the ones who claimed that conclusion, correct?

You are insufferable.  

 

This new report suggests that there is a one-in-three trillion chance Moderna’s sequence randomly showed up via natural evolution, at the very least “is highly unusual and requires further investigations.”

The sequence Moderna patented is part of a gene known as MSHE and is involved in how damaged cells repair themselves. It is a possible target for cancer therapies. Twelve of the 19 amino acids are in SARS-CoV-2’s furin cleavage site, with the remaining seven matching nucleotides in a part of the genome nearby. The researchers suggest that this matching code may have become part of the COVID-19 genome by way of infected human cells expressing the MSH3 gene.

[jehurey 3,243]

1 minute ago, Cooke said:

You are insufferable.  

 

This new report suggests that there is a one-in-three trillion chance Moderna’s sequence randomly showed up via natural evolution, at the very least “is highly unusual and requires further investigations.”

The sequence Moderna patented is part of a gene known as MSHE and is involved in how damaged cells repair themselves. It is a possible target for cancer therapies. Twelve of the 19 amino acids are in SARS-CoV-2’s furin cleavage site, with the remaining seven matching nucleotides in a part of the genome nearby. The researchers suggest that this matching code may have become part of the COVID-19 genome by way of infected human cells expressing the MSH3 gene.

But I already explained to you that Moderna's work was a continuation of what they started with the SARS strain.

 

Its almost as if they used a gene sequence they were already worked on for SARS-COVID-2 and then went and found that SPECIFIC SEQUENCE in COVID-19 to immediately save time and effort.

 

This is why pretending to draw conclusions based on HOW Moderna designed their mRNA vaccine is not a valid way to make such implications.

 

There are upwards of MILLIONS of different novel coronaviruses in the undeveloped caves of China, where people suggest that they are all similar variations. Gee, I wonder what are the chances of those other novel coronavirus having similar genome sequences by thousands and thousands of years of bats living and breeding, undisturbed, in those caves that China is now encroaching into and developing that land.

[Cooke 2,031]

2 minutes ago, jehurey said:

But I already explained to you that Moderna's work was a continuation of what they started with the SARS strain.

 

Its almost as if they used a gene sequence they were already worked on for SARS-COVID-2 and then went and found that SPECIFIC SEQUENCE in COVID-19 to immediately save time and effort.

 

This is why pretending to draw conclusions based on HOW Moderna designed their mRNA vaccine is not a valid way to make such implications.

 

There are upwards of MILLIONS of different novel coronaviruses in the undeveloped caves of China, where people suggest that they are all similar variations. Gee, I wonder what are the chances of those other novel coronavirus having similar genome sequences by thousands and thousands of years of bats living and breeding, undisturbed, in those caves that China is now encroaching into and developing that land.

The odds of that happening are still 1 in billions. 

[jehurey 3,243]

1 minute ago, Cooke said:

The odds of that happening are still 1 in billions. 

No, I literally explained the situation for you:

 

 

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There are upwards of MILLIONS of different novel coronaviruses in the undeveloped caves of China, where people suggest that they are all similar variations. Gee, I wonder what are the chances of those other novel coronavirus having similar genome sequences by thousands and thousands of years of bats living and breeding, undisturbed, in those caves that China is now encroaching into and developing that land.

All of these novel coronavirus are coming from the same place. How are you not understanding this?

 

Human beings share 44.1% of their DNA with bananas...........is there a conspiracy there?

[Cooke 2,031]

15 minutes ago, jehurey said:

No, I literally explained the situation for you:

 

 

All of these novel coronavirus are coming from the same place. How are you not understanding this?

 

Human beings share 44.1% of their DNA with bananas...........is there a conspiracy there?

I'm not saying it didn't originally come from a bat cave. Obviously that would be a logical source for a coronavirus. The issue is was it manipulated in a lab and then accidentally released? The odds of a completely natural origin with a Moderna patented DNA sequence on the cleavage site is a 1 in 3 trillion chance. Do you get it now jehurey? 1 in 3,000,000,000,000 chance. 

Edited February 25, 2022 by Cooke

[Twinblade★ 3,935]

Did Jerry really just compare COVID's origins to bananas? Lmao, Cooke I don't know why you bother.

[jehurey 3,243]

36 minutes ago, Cooke said:

I'm not saying it didn't originally come from a bat cave. Obviously that would be a logical source for a coronavirus. The issue is was it manipulated in a lab and then accidentally released?

There's nothing to indicate that.

 

Especially when you already gave a practical explanation for this "odd coincidence" in your first sentence.

 

Its almost as if you already assigned a conclusion, and are trying to work your way backwards to find an explanation.

 

The Scientific Method does not operate like this.

 

10 minutes ago, Twinblade said:

Did Jerry really just compare COVID's origins to bananas? Lmao, Cooke I don't know why you bother.

No, I explained genomes and how that isn't a smoking gun to connecting things.

 

Because.........and this literally is not some empty catchphrase............but biologically everything is connected.
 

Why do you pretend to play stupid and not understand that?

[Cooke 2,031]

Jehurey. Simple question. Is it possible it came from a lab?

[jehurey 3,243]

4 hours ago, Cooke said:

Jehurey. Simple question. Is it possible it came from a lab?

so now you're just WISHING that this theory is true? To the point where you are just throwing it out there, based on nothing.

 

For you to even continue this line of thinking..............proves you have nothing but agenda driving you.

 

This is not scientific curiosity, this is forced, agenda-driven, thinking.

 

And as such, it shouldn't be entertained or rewarded, nor its pathetic promoters.

[Cooke 2,031]

5 hours ago, jehurey said:

so now you're just WISHING that this theory is true? To the point where you are just throwing it out there, based on nothing.

 

For you to even continue this line of thinking..............proves you have nothing but agenda driving you.

 

This is not scientific curiosity, this is forced, agenda-driven, thinking.

 

And as such, it shouldn't be entertained or rewarded, nor its pathetic promoters.

[Cooke 2,031]

My agenda is truth. My agenda is having our news media and governments tell us the truth. Wow crazy! 

[jehurey 3,243]

7 hours ago, Cooke said:

My agenda is truth. My agenda is having our news media and governments tell us the truth. Wow crazy! 

No, it clearly isn't.

 

You listed a doctor who lied about her credentials..............and then you went back to her two more times.

 

You're not interested in truth.