Sony set to announce Spartacus: Combining 2 trash subscriptions into one trash subscription.

[Vini 430]

https://www.ign.com/articles/ps5-spartacus-reveal-next-week-xbox-game-pass

 

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One area where PlayStation is not following Game Pass is releasing new, first-party games on day one. According to sources games like God of War Ragnarok will not be available on the service right away.

 

 

 

"One area" AKA the whole selling point of Gamepass, the fact that you don't have to pay for new games. 
 

Edited March 27, 2022 by Vini

[Mr. Impossible 410]

39 minutes ago, Vini said:

https://www.ign.com/articles/ps5-spartacus-reveal-next-week-xbox-game-pass

 

 

 

 

"One area" AKA the whole selling point of Gamepass, the fact that you don't have to pay for new games. 
 

 

I mean yeah, and if someone owns an xbox it is valuable that they have to put their brand new games day one on GP, but like it's hard to expect Sony or Nintendo to follow suit. It's kind of like how HBO was going to show the new Batman movie day one, then when movie theaters opened up again they didn't. MS is trying to be the Netflix of gaming and that's chill and all but it's not the responsibility for other companies crap up their stuff to follow suit.

[Mr. House 3,371]

1 hour ago, Mr. Impossible said:

 

I mean yeah, and if someone owns an xbox it is valuable that they have to put their brand new games day one on GP, but like it's hard to expect Sony or Nintendo to follow suit. It's kind of like how HBO was going to show the new Batman movie day one, then when movie theaters opened up again they didn't. MS is trying to be the Netflix of gaming and that's chill and all but it's not the responsibility for other companies crap up their stuff to follow suit.

Sony can probably reach a 24m subscriber userbase on their own service without ever offering their first party by releasing them day one like MS. PSNow had 10m + subscribers at some point and it was never more than an afterthought. The importance of GamePass has been massively overrated by the Xbox kids, it's not that big despite being on two platforms and it creates considerable losses of sales elsewhere. It's not even a viable strategy unless you are MS and/or desperate.

[Goukosan 2,258]

Shocker..... Sony first party games that sell gangbusters at retail won't be given away for free day one on a subscription service?  You don't say... Lol

 

MS had to put first party games day 1 because that shit was selling that great at retail.  Delusional lemmings and their delusional expectations expecting Sony to follow the same loser model as MS 

[Remij 4,683]

Oh, so it's just a way for Sony to charge more for Demos  

 

 

They're taking the Nintendo approach to a subscription service  

[madmaltese★ 2,588]

lol anyone dumb enough to have thought Sony was going to release their multi million sellers on day 1  

Been so obvious for ever. Why would Nintendo and Sony who sells 10s of millions with their first party game copy the guys coming in last who are doing anything to stay relevant.

[Remij 4,683]

8 minutes ago, madmaltese said:

lol anyone dumb enough to have thought Sony was going to release their multi million sellers on day 1  

Been so obvious for ever. Why would Nintendo and Sony who sells 10s of millions with their first party game copy the guys coming in last who are doing anything to stay relevant.

They will eventually.  It's inevitable.

[madmaltese★ 2,588]

2 minutes ago, Remij said:

They will eventually.  It's inevitable.

We'll see how things develop 5-10 years down the track but there was absolutely zero reason for them to make such a horrible business decision atm and that has been clear for ages. 
They are not only leading the space but their first party games sell more now than ever lol imagine taking that away. Would be the dumbest shit ever. People continually fail to see that while MS is gaining GP subs, Sony and Nintendo are STILL selling more and more first party THAN EVER. Sub models haven't taken anything away from Sony or Ninty first party sales. 

 

 

Also being 'right' about something that happens 5-10 years later isn't being right. It's always about timing,

[-GD-X★ 7,753]

27 minutes ago, madmaltese said:

lol anyone dumb enough to have thought Sony was going to release their multi million sellers on day 1  

Been so obvious for ever. Why would Nintendo and Sony who sells 10s of millions with their first party game copy the guys coming in last who are doing anything to stay relevant.

So true  maybe in 10 years, if their games tank in sales like MS titles. Right now, it would be idiotic. 

[Remij 4,683]

18 minutes ago, madmaltese said:

We'll see how things develop 5-10 years down the track but there was absolutely zero reason for them to make such a horrible business decision atm and that has been clear for ages. 
They are not only leading the space but their first party games sell more now than ever lol imagine taking that away. Would be the dumbest shit ever. People continually fail to see that while MS is gaining GP subs, Sony and Nintendo are STILL selling more and more first party THAN EVER. Sub models haven't taken anything away from Sony or Ninty first party sales. 

 

 

Also being 'right' about something that happens 5-10 years later isn't being right. It's always about timing,

Well, that completely depends on what's been said.

 

They aren't "taking anything away"... by offering an alternate method of accessing those games.

 

I don't ever remember saying anything was going to happen instantly... yet there are people on this forum that act like everything I do say must happen instantly or it's wrong.

 

In my case.. being "right" about Sony eventually doing it... means that MS would have been right to do it sooner.  It's undeniably where the industry is going... you can look at every other aspect of the entertainment industry and see this.. so I don't think it's something controversial to say.

 

At the beginning of the PS4 generation, nobody EVER thought Sony would be releasing their games on PC by the end of that very successful generation.. Yet they started.  At the beginning of this gen, no cows/sheep here believe that it's possible Sony will release some core games day and date on PS5 and PC.  We'll see how that goes.  We know for a fact that their shareholders want expansion in all areas.  This subscription move is just another such expansion... and they're going to get a feeling for how things work.  Sony can't afford to risk going "all in" like MS can... and as you've said.. they're extremely successful doing things the way they are.. so there's no reason to make any big plays to quickly.. but that will erode over time.

 

There's so much shit affecting the industry right now.. Sony is completely crippled by supply issues... that is completely stunting their growth, and that will undoubtedly have an effect on how quickly they adopt new ways to generate money.  They have to adapt to the market around them.

 

They're actively purchasing and building more presence in live service games.. they're building up a bunch of content that will support this type of subscription service in the future.

 

[Mr. Impossible 410]

3 minutes ago, Remij said:

 

 

In my case.. being "right" about Sony eventually doing it... means that MS would have been right to do it sooner.  It's undeniably where the industry is going... you can look at every other aspect of the entertainment industry and see this.. so I don't think it's something controversial to say.

 

 

 

 

lol this isn't true at all. You're trying to pull a fast one here. 

[Remij 4,683]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Impossible said:

 

lol this isn't true at all. You're trying to pull a fast one here. 

Well, MS is right to do it... their games were selling like shit lol

[jehurey 3,238]

36 minutes ago, Mr. Impossible said:

 

lol this isn't true at all. You're trying to pull a fast one here. 

Yeah, its really funny the REVERSE psychology that he's applying to this in order to spin it as a smart, forward-thinking thing that Xbox thought of, even though they did it as a result of failure.......and not a result of forward-thinking.

 

Sony has convinced more people to spend $500 on their console since November 2020 than Microsoft has convinced people to spend $5-$15 to sign up for a simple monthly service.

 

The service is not going to save inferior games.

 

Sony will never have to resort to a service UNLESS the quality of all of their games begins to fall as bad as Xbox produced games.

Edited March 28, 2022 by jehurey

[madmaltese★ 2,588]

48 minutes ago, Remij said:

Well, that completely depends on what's been said.

 

They aren't "taking anything away"... by offering an alternate method of accessing those games.

 

I don't ever remember saying anything was going to happen instantly... yet there are people on this forum that act like everything I do say must happen instantly or it's wrong.

 

In my case.. being "right" about Sony eventually doing it... means that MS would have been right to do it sooner.  It's undeniably where the industry is going... you can look at every other aspect of the entertainment industry and see this.. so I don't think it's something controversial to say.

 

At the beginning of the PS4 generation, nobody EVER thought Sony would be releasing their games on PC by the end of that very successful generation.. Yet they started.  At the beginning of this gen, no cows/sheep here believe that it's possible Sony will release some core games day and date on PS5 and PC.  We'll see how that goes.  We know for a fact that their shareholders want expansion in all areas.  This subscription move is just another such expansion... and they're going to get a feeling for how things work.  Sony can't afford to risk going "all in" like MS can... and as you've said.. they're extremely successful doing things the way they are.. so there's no reason to make any big plays to quickly.. but that will erode over time.

 

There's so much shit affecting the industry right now.. Sony is completely crippled by supply issues... that is completely stunting their growth, and that will undoubtedly have an effect on how quickly they adopt new ways to generate money.  They have to adapt to the market around them.

 

They're actively purchasing and building more presence in live service games.. they're building up a bunch of content that will support this type of subscription service in the future.

 

I very much disagree with that. There is countless examples of companies doing things too early and it being the wrong decision. Dreamcast arguably did the right thing way too early and died because of it. Sony was technically first into the whole streaming game with Gaikai but they entered the sphere way too early and tech wasn't there. Stadia then had the tech right and it was just too early for the industry, someone maybe 5 years down the line will do something near identical and be successful. Timing is literally everything. Sony making this decision now and then changing it 5-10 years down the track does not at all indicate they didn't make the right move on both occasions. 

 

You speak about shareholders wanting expansion but there is a very big reason why MS only talk about revenue growth while Sony and Nintendo constantly talk about operating profit along with revenue. You are seeing absolutely zero of the cost that GP is costing MS. Nothing on how much it is costing them to make these deals with 3rd parties, nothing on if they will be exceeding their profits on the major major first party games in this new model. We know nothing. Meanwhile we know that both Sony and Nintendo are both at their own respective peak atm and both doing it on doubling down on selling first party games. Nintendo with them never discounting them and Sony with now charging extra for them ($70). 

 

MS literally gave everything up in one go. All first party multi plat with PC day 1, all first party day 1 on GP. They did this years ago, it was a move of desperation and a move only MS could remotely afford to make. Maybe it was the 'right' decision for them, but that same decision would not have been right for anyone else. I'm not a big fan of Ryan but his adaption into the new era has been excellent. Slowly stepping into the PC space while taking nothing away from exclusivity on consoles (due to time delay, you want day 1 it has to be on console). Then he'll slowly release specific games day 1 across both platforms hopefully, games that make sense like online/service games (something they have talked about greatly). Now they will start leaning more into a sub model (and we act like they have none when they have the biggest in gaming with PS Plus) while not taking away their heavy hitters. They still have so much to play with as this space moves forward.