Cooke 2,030 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64244007 US President Joe Biden's aides have found a fresh batch of classified government records at a second location, in a growing political embarrassment for the White House. The first cache was found at a private office in Washington DC that Mr Biden used after his vice-presidency. The matter is under review by the US Department of Justice. Former President Donald Trump is facing a criminal investigation for allegedly mishandling classified files. Link to post Share on other sites
Cooke 2,030 Posted January 12, 2023 Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 Honestly, all presidents probably have some shit they shouldn't. Unfortunately they made such a huge deal out of it when Trump did it, now they can't really pretend this didn't happen. Link to post Share on other sites
Tears of the Cows 1,211 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Just now, Cooke said: Honestly, all presidents probably have some shit they shouldn't. Unfortunately they made such a huge deal out of it when Trump did it, now they can't really pretend this didn't happen. Pretty much this. Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Impossible 410 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 52 minutes ago, Cooke said: Honestly, all presidents probably have some shit they shouldn't. Unfortunately they made such a huge deal out of it when Trump did it, now they can't really pretend this didn't happen. Ok, so this is you being as reasonable and actually thinking for yourself and it's still dishonest and stupid. I guess it isn't an act confirmed? I would say that the difference is Biden's people were the ones to alert authorities about the classified information and negotiated turning it over and Trump kept lying and hiding stuff multiple times? Like can we all agree that this is different? This is an embarrassing and frankly a bit of egg on Biden's face but still you're such a dishonest, boot licking cunt you have to not try a whataboutism protect daddy Trump bullshit. Link to post Share on other sites
Tears of the Cows 1,211 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Mr. Impossible said: Ok, so this is you being as reasonable and actually thinking for yourself and it's still dishonest and stupid. I guess it isn't an act confirmed? I would say that the difference is Biden's people were the ones to alert authorities about the classified information and negotiated turning it over and Trump kept lying and hiding stuff multiple times? Like can we all agree that this is different? This is an embarrassing and frankly a bit of egg on Biden's face but still you're such a dishonest, boot licking cunt you have to not try a whataboutism protect daddy Trump bullshit. There’s not really a difference, honestly. Assuming it was of the same caliber, if you murder someone and say you didn’t, if you’re found guilty you’ll be sentenced. If you murder someone, call the police and turn yourself in, you’ll be sentenced. Trumps behavior after being caught isn’t really breaking any laws. The law broken was possession of classified material. Link to post Share on other sites
Substatic 421 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jerrys Hair Line said: Pretty much this. 1 hour ago, Cooke said: Honestly, all presidents probably have some shit they shouldn't. Unfortunately they made such a huge deal out of it when Trump did it, now they can't really pretend this didn't happen. That's because they wouldn't give the files back and would not cooperate with officials. Which is why they were raided by the FBI. If this didn't happen, it might not have been a big deal. The FBI/DOJ should investigate both situations thoroughly, but both situations are quite different. I believe Merrick Garland is already considering passing this off to a special counsel as well, Garland Considering Special Counsel in Biden Documents Probe (2) (bloomberglaw.com) Edited January 12, 2023 by Substatic Link to post Share on other sites
Tears of the Cows 1,211 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Substatic said: That's because they wouldn't give the files back and would not cooperate with officials. Which is why they were raided by the FBI. If this didn't happen, it might not have been a big deal. The FBI/DOJ should investigate both situations thoroughly, but both situations are quite different. I believe Merrick Garland is already considering passing this off to a special counsel as well, Garland Considering Special Counsel in Biden Documents Probe (2) (bloomberglaw.com) They’re not different from the perspective of the law. The same law was broken. Link to post Share on other sites
Substatic 421 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Just now, Jerrys Hair Line said: They’re not different from the perspective of the law. The same law was broken. Incorrect. Obstruction. Justice Dept. alleges "obstructive conduct" occurred at Mar-a-Lago after request for classified documents - CBS News Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,257 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 It wasn't a "big deal" with Trump for almost 2 years between the documents being found and the raid. But he refused to cooperate, lied about what he had and how much he had and refused return the documents... Then it became a big deal. Has he returned it, it wouldn't have been an issue as it didn't become and issue until he withheld it. Link to post Share on other sites
Tears of the Cows 1,211 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Substatic said: Incorrect. Obstruction. Justice Dept. alleges "obstructive conduct" occurred at Mar-a-Lago after request for classified documents - CBS News Obstruction is a minor charge compared to mishandling classified documents. It’s like tacking on a blown stop sign ticket to the murderer who fled the crime scene. Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,257 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, Jerrys Hair Line said: They’re not different from the perspective of the law. The same law was broken. There's a difference between obstruction and compliance doofus. Link to post Share on other sites
Substatic 421 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Jerrys Hair Line said: Obstruction is a minor charge compared to mishandling classified documents. It’s like tacking on a blown stop sign ticket to the murderer who fled the crime scene. It's not, also Trump had far more files and it was intentional. This is a very different situation. Both should be investigated. Classified Documents Found at Former Biden Office, Drawing Comparisons to Trump - FactCheck.org Edited January 12, 2023 by Substatic Link to post Share on other sites
Tears of the Cows 1,211 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Substatic said: It's not, also Trump had far more files and it was intentional. This is a very different situation. Both should be investigated. Agreed. Intent is rather irrelevant though, and will likely never be proven. Edited January 12, 2023 by Jerrys Hair Line Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,257 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jerrys Hair Line said: Agreed. Intent is rather irrelevant though, and will likely never be proven. Both incidents are being investigated already. Intent isn't irrelevant. Trump's refusal to comply, lies and obstruction and his own bone head statements he made about it kinda speaks to intent. Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Impossible 410 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 11 minutes ago, Jerrys Hair Line said: There’s not really a difference, honestly. Assuming it was of the same caliber, if you murder someone and say you didn’t, if you’re found guilty you’ll be sentenced. If you murder someone, call the police and turn yourself in, you’ll be sentenced. Trumps behavior after being caught isn’t really breaking any laws. The law broken was possession of classified material. Yeah, not the same thing and your comparison doesn't add up. If you buy a used car and it turns out that it was stolen, it can go two ways. You can turn it in to the police and you are good to go. If you decide that it's now your car and you are keeping it, then it's a situation. As for breaking any laws, he isn't charged with anything over this so this is null. You guys are just trying to find any angle to say something in Trump's defense. Link to post Share on other sites
Tears of the Cows 1,211 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Goukosan said: Both incidents are being investigated already. Intent isn't irrelevant. Trump's refusal to comply, lies and obstruction and his own bone head statements he made about it kinda speaks to intent. Obstruction isn’t the main charge. Link to post Share on other sites
Tears of the Cows 1,211 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Mr. Impossible said: Yeah, not the same thing and your comparison doesn't add up. If you buy a used car and it turns out that it was stolen, it can go two ways. You can turn it in to the police and you are good to go. If you decide that it's now your car and you are keeping it, then it's a situation. As for breaking any laws, he isn't charged with anything over this so this is null. You guys are just trying to find any angle to say something in Trump's defense. Your comparison makes no sense, considering Biden was responsible for the files to begin with. That’s like saying he stole the car, then turned himself in. Not similar at all, like saying he bought a stolen car. He did the stealing. In that situation, he would still be charged. Edited January 12, 2023 by Jerrys Hair Line Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,257 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jerrys Hair Line said: Obstruction isn’t the main charge. It plays into all the charges against Trump. Justice Dept. alleges "obstructive conduct" occurred at Mar-a-Lago after request for classified documents It became an issue after he refused to comply with the requests to return it. Bottom line... Both are being looked into.. But both cases are different because of how Trump handled it. Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Impossible 410 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Jerrys Hair Line said: Your comparison makes no sense, considering Biden was responsible for the files to begin with. That’s like saying he stole the car, then turned himself in. In that situation, he would still be charged. The issue wasn't that Trump misplaced the files, it's that he was withholding and hiding them repeatedly. The home visit was almost year after their first exchange. Link to post Share on other sites
Tears of the Cows 1,211 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, Goukosan said: It plays into all the charges against Trump. Justice Dept. alleges "obstructive conduct" occurred at Mar-a-Lago after request for classified documents It became an issue after he refused to comply with the requests to return it. Bottom line... Both are being looked into.. But both cases are different because of how Trump handled it. 2 minutes ago, Mr. Impossible said: The issue wasn't that Trump misplaced the files, it's that he was withholding and hiding them repeatedly. The home visit was almost year after their first exchange. the leading charge in both is mishandling of classified documents. trump may face other charges, but they’re secondary to the main charge. tell me, what carry’s a higher prison sentence? Felony obstruction or mishandling of classified documents? Link to post Share on other sites
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