Is China going to create the next COVID surge/variant?

[Twinblade★ 3,929]

Its blowing up over there because of their ridiculous zero covid policy. And unlike other countries that took similar measures, the chinese produced vaccines they're using are apparently garbage that aren't that effective at reducing symptoms or transmission. The pandemic is practically finished in the rest of the developed world but I can't help but feel that China is about to drag everyone back into it.

 

Anyone else feel the same way?

[jehurey 3,238]

maybe, depends on whether its still omnicron, or if mutated into somewhere else.

 

and yes..........it is too bad that China couldn't develop mRNA vaccines like the ones we use, and made as much of an effort to get as many people vaccinated. because that is what will keep things from exploding, and spreading wildly.

 

that is why you don't think about creating booster shots AFTER you see a spike.......if you have the ability, you have the boosters on standby.

 

also doesn't help that there's people that clearly push the idea and tell people to not get vaccinated.

[Literal Nazi Rudolf Hess 278]

20 hours ago, Twinblade said:

Its blowing up over there because of their ridiculous zero covid policy. And unlike other countries that took similar measures, the chinese produced vaccines they're using are apparently garbage that aren't that effective at reducing symptoms or transmission. The pandemic is practically finished in the rest of the developed world but I can't help but feel that China is about to drag everyone back into it.

 

Anyone else feel the same way?

It seems to be biggest right now in countries that has the strictest lockdowns. They have an immune deficit from having no natural immunity from previous waves. 

[jehurey 3,238]

1 hour ago, Literal Nazi Rudolf Hess said:

It seems to be biggest right now in countries that has the strictest lockdowns. They have an immune deficit from having no natural immunity from previous waves. 

No, that isn't remotely true at all.

 

They already explained why China is having a spike.

 

And this is the "spike"

 

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Mainland China reported 1,860 confirmed Covid cases for Tuesday, down from more than 3,500 new cases a day earlier. The country has not reported new deaths, and the number of new cases is still far lower than in other parts of the world, such as Europe.

3500 cases a day. Uh, we have about 4500 a day in the city of Dallas, by itself.

 

LOL, its so obvious you came in to post with an agenda, and it doesn't hold up under the slightest bit of scrutiny.

[Cooke 2,030]

11 hours ago, jehurey said:

No, that isn't remotely true at all.

 

They already explained why China is having a spike.

 

And this is the "spike"

 

3500 cases a day. Uh, we have about 4500 a day in the city of Dallas, by itself.

 

LOL, its so obvious you came in to post with an agenda, and it doesn't hold up under the slightest bit of scrutiny.

Then how did Hong Kong hit 35000 in a day? They are probably more honest with their numbers than mainland China. 

 

And South Korea just hit 600 000 cases in ONE DAY. 

 

Australia is going back up again not. 50 000 cases in one day, as is new Zealand with 15000 new cases. 

 

These places all had strict covid zero policies. They have very low natural immunity from previous waves. That have an immune deficit because of this.  This is basic stuff jehurey. 

 

 

Edited March 18, 2022 by Cooke

[jehurey 3,238]

7 hours ago, Cooke said:

Then how did Hong Kong hit 35000 in a day? They are probably more honest with their numbers than mainland China. 

 

And South Korea just hit 600 000 cases in ONE DAY. 

 

Australia is going back up again not. 50 000 cases in one day, as is new Zealand with 15000 new cases. 

 

These places all had strict covid zero policies. They have very low natural immunity from previous waves. That have an immune deficit because of this.  This is basic stuff jehurey. 

 

 

How are there hospitalization rates?

 

If this is omicron hitting asia..........then its going to come and go as fast as it did in the west.

 

You do know that's how the regular influenza virus behaves, right?

 

You do know that we in the west get out flu strain from South America/Southern Hemisphere in the Spring time, and then in the fall the strain comes up to North America.

 

Did Asia/Austrailia get Omicron at the same time as the west? Or were they simply getting it later?

 

I love how you guys are still trying to peddle strict covid policies.............because if they are getting Omicron LATER, then it means that their strict policies they've kept in effect is also a factor is staving it off.

[Mr. Impossible 410]

On 2022-03-18 at 8:41 AM, Cooke said:

Then how did Hong Kong hit 35000 in a day? They are probably more honest with their numbers than mainland China. 

 

And South Korea just hit 600 000 cases in ONE DAY. 

 

Australia is going back up again not. 50 000 cases in one day, as is new Zealand with 15000 new cases. 

 

These places all had strict covid zero policies. They have very low natural immunity from previous waves. That have an immune deficit because of this.  This is basic stuff jehurey. 

 

 

Lol yes, epidemiology is basic for you, because you're so smart. Lmfao 

[Cooke 2,030]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Impossible said:

Lol yes, epidemiology is basic for you, because you're so smart. Lmfao 

Virology 101

 

a population that is naïve to a virus is susceptible to the virus. 

 

We cannot have herd immunity with vaccines that do not provide immunity. They provide protection, yes, but they do not prevent infection or transmission.  In countries where the virus has been spreading for much longer now will have lower rates of infection in coming waves because of a built up herd immunity due to natural infection.  We know if you have had the vaccine and then contract the virus it provides superior protection.

 

This is well known Remy. No need to play games. 

[Mr. Impossible 410]

9 minutes ago, Cooke said:

Virology 101

 

a population that is naïve to a virus is susceptible to the virus. 

 

We cannot have herd immunity with vaccines that do not provide immunity. They provide protection, yes, but they do not prevent infection or transmission.  In countries where the virus has been spreading for much longer now will have lower rates of infection in coming waves because of a built up herd immunity due to natural infection.  We know if you have had the vaccine and then contract the virus it provides superior protection.

 

This is well known Remy. No need to play games. 

 

Oh brother. I forgot you're an amateur virologist lol. 

[Cooke 2,030]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Impossible said:

 

Oh brother. I forgot you're an amateur virologist lol. 

A little more than that actually. But really, this is highschool level concepts. 

[Cooke 2,030]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Impossible said:

 

Oh brother. I forgot you're an amateur virologist lol. 

A little more than that actually. But really, this is highschool level concepts. 

 

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/herd-immunity-and-coronavirus/art-20486808

 

Since we cannot achieve herd immunity with these current vaccines, the only way forward is to accept Covid will spread. Get vaccinated to protect against severe outcomes, but you will, and everyone will become infected at some point. The BA2 variant is as infectious as measles, that's pretty much a 10/10.  After everyone has come in contact with the virus they will have the antibodies and T cell memory to fight off a future infection much more easily. 

[Mr. Impossible 410]

6 minutes ago, Cooke said:

A little more than that actually. But really, this is highschool level concepts. 

 

Lmfao nigga please. For 2 years you have been saying the dumbest shit. There was a point where you thought covid would be gone when the weather warmed. You were against lock downs, then said you wanted 100% lockdowns and that it would be easy some how. 

 

You simply ping pong from anything you perceived to anti-mainstream because that makes you feel smart. I admittedly don't spend as much time worrying about COVID as you do but like wasn't Australia hit with an even higher easily transmitted variant? And also had dropped most of their mask/social distancing mandates? 

 

I assume stuff like that could also be part of their spike? 

[Cooke 2,030]

36 minutes ago, Mr. Impossible said:

 

Lmfao nigga please. For 2 years you have been saying the dumbest shit. There was a point where you thought covid would be gone when the weather warmed. You were against lock downs, then said you wanted 100% lockdowns and that it would be easy some how. 

 

You simply ping pong from anything you perceived to anti-mainstream because that makes you feel smart. I admittedly don't spend as much time worrying about COVID as you do but like wasn't Australia hit with an even higher easily transmitted variant? And also had dropped most of their mask/social distancing mandates? 

 

I assume stuff like that could also be part of their spike? 

You are warping what I said. I said it would become seasonal like the flu. Which is what it is doing now and that is what CDC has said. That's how it goes from pandemic to endemic. 

 

Australia has had the same variants as the rest of the world but they come months later due to being much more easily isolated, same with new zealand.

[Mr. Impossible 410]

1 hour ago, Cooke said:

You are warping what I said. I said it would become seasonal like the flu. Which is what it is doing now and that is what CDC has said. That's how it goes from pandemic to endemic. 

 

Australia has had the same variants as the rest of the world but they come months later due to being much more easily isolated, same with new zealand.

No, what you do is just anti-trend. With no consistency and disingenuous intent. Like one day you're like "go ahead and listen to the CDC, bootlicker." and others "well the CDC said..."

 

I might be mistaken but Jerry or gak already mentioned wave trends which you bypass but then bring up later in a different conversation. 

 

This is a complex situation you're always trying to find a simple minded answer to each angle you take on it. 

 

Now it's herd immunity as a tactic. What does that look like irl? Even if someone thinks that in hindsight, what responsible person would take a gamble with a global outbreak like that? Was the answer to do nothing at all and just deal with what happens? 

[jehurey 3,238]

On 2022-03-19 at 11:16 AM, Cooke said:

A little more than that actually. But really, this is highschool level concepts. 

 

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/herd-immunity-and-coronavirus/art-20486808

 

Since we cannot achieve herd immunity with these current vaccines, the only way forward is to accept Covid will spread. Get vaccinated to protect against severe outcomes, but you will, and everyone will become infected at some point. The BA2 variant is as infectious as measles, that's pretty much a 10/10.  After everyone has come in contact with the virus they will have the antibodies and T cell memory to fight off a future infection much more easily. 

No, that is wrong.

 

You're missing a very vital part.

 

If the virus is ridiculously contagious, and spread super fast, then the options that society has are limited.

 

But, if the hospitalization rate remains low, then MAYBE the government decides "ok lets ride it out."

 

But if this affects people seriously enough to get hospitalized, and hospitals are overrun.................the goverment must impost restrictions.

 

This is probably like the 30th I will be explain why this is:

 

You have told this before.............yet you keep on leaving this part out.

 

HOSPITALIZATIONS.

 

A society must have a working healthcare infrastructure..............THEY MUST.

 

Its not fucking optional.

 

If the virus immediately fills up your hospitals.

 

-You are going to kill people who have common accidents.

-You are going to kill people who would otherwise have survived heart attacks, strokes, lacerations..

 

If the hospitals fill up with COVID patients, the new COVID patients who get infected who need hospital care will not be able to get it.

 

This effectively changes the death rate of a virus.

 

And back when the initial virus has a near 2% death rate, epidemiologists warned that if our nation's hospital system became overrun, the death rate and ADJACENT DEATH RATE because we have no more hospital beds in America would jump from 2% to 11%.

 

And no, you don't fucking allow a country of 150 to 300 million people to "just let COVID spread" if the death rate percentage spikes up like that. That is not remotely smart, or efficient, OR solves the problem on any level. You have no choice but to go into lockdown in order to prevent the hospital system from collapsing.  You HAVE TO.

Edited March 21, 2022 by jehurey

[Cooke 2,030]

16 hours ago, jehurey said:

No, that is wrong.

 

You're missing a very vital part.

 

If the virus is ridiculously contagious, and spread super fast, then the options that society has are limited.

 

But, if the hospitalization rate remains low, then MAYBE the government decides "ok lets ride it out."

 

But if this affects people seriously enough to get hospitalized, and hospitals are overrun.................the goverment must impost restrictions.

 

This is probably like the 30th I will be explain why this is:

 

You have told this before.............yet you keep on leaving this part out.

 

HOSPITALIZATIONS.

 

A society must have a working healthcare infrastructure..............THEY MUST.

 

Its not fucking optional.

 

If the virus immediately fills up your hospitals.

 

-You are going to kill people who have common accidents.

-You are going to kill people who would otherwise have survived heart attacks, strokes, lacerations..

 

If the hospitals fill up with COVID patients, the new COVID patients who get infected who need hospital care will not be able to get it.

 

This effectively changes the death rate of a virus.

 

And back when the initial virus has a near 2% death rate, epidemiologists warned that if our nation's hospital system became overrun, the death rate and ADJACENT DEATH RATE because we have no more hospital beds in America would jump from 2% to 11%.

 

And no, you don't fucking allow a country of 150 to 300 million people to "just let COVID spread" if the death rate percentage spikes up like that. That is not remotely smart, or efficient, OR solves the problem on any level. You have no choice but to go into lockdown in order to prevent the hospital system from collapsing.  You HAVE TO.

has any healthcare system in the world collapsed due to covid? i can't think of any. And the covid we have today is more mild than the original strain and we have vaccines and therapeutics to treat.  Any further lockdowns would be absolutely harmful at this stage. 

Edited March 21, 2022 by Cooke

[Cooke 2,030]

please stop posting in red, its a serious eye strain and i don't even read those parts when you use it.  

[jehurey 3,238]

Just now, Cooke said:

has any healthcare system in the world collapsed due to covid? i can't think of any.

its only been severely, SEVERELY damaged, with many nurses and doctors having died IN SERVICE of treating the pandemic

 

and MANY MANY PEOPLE leaving the industry.

 

And that's your fucking response?

 

Like as if that's an acceptable thing to go through again?

[jehurey 3,238]

1 minute ago, Cooke said:

please stop posting in red, its a serious eye strain and i don't even read those parts when you use it.  

please stop posting stupid shit.

 

you act stupid, I will talk to you like as if you are stupid and ignorant.

[Cooke 2,030]

15 minutes ago, jehurey said:

its only been severely, SEVERELY damaged, with many nurses and doctors having died IN SERVICE of treating the pandemic

 

and MANY MANY PEOPLE leaving the industry.

 

And that's your fucking response?

 

Like as if that's an acceptable thing to go through again?

It won't happen again unless there is a new virus. Not a variant but a new one. More than half of Americans have already been infected with covid and even more than that are vaccinated. Seriously,  go take a virology course. You're really dumb. You know nothing about immunity. Stop talking. 

 

There isn't a single documented case of someone contracting Covid19, recovering and then catching is a second time and dying. Unless they are very elderly. This has literally not happened to a single healthy person on planet earth. 

Edited March 21, 2022 by Cooke