Just 10% of Covid deaths were actually from Covid

[Twinblade★ 3,925]

1 hour ago, Mr. Impossible said:

I can explain. Apparently there are things called "variants"? Lol what was even the point of posting this in the first place? 

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/australias-covid-19-cases-surge-hospitalisations-hit-pandemic-high-nsw-2022-01-03/

 

 

In Victoria, the second state, the authorities said one in four people showing up for a swab test was returning a positive result. Almost everyone in that state's intensive care units was unvaccinated, the authorities said. Victoria had 14,020 new cases, nearly double the previous day's count.

 

"The problem at the moment is that the lack of (rapid antigen tests) is completely hampering 'personal responsibility' and it is a frustration that is a glaring hole in the current management of COVID," Chris Moy, vice president of the Australian Medical Association, told ABC Radio on Tuesday, using Morrison's phrase.

 
So all along the experts knew there would be variants that would decrease the effectiveness of the vaccines yet still pushed for mandates that forced its use on people and even resorted in many losing their jobs for not complying. And at the same time vaccinated people are still dying in droves, in some cases in even greater numbers than unvaccinated people at the beginning of the pandemic (as shown by the Australia numbers).

 

When taking all that into a consideration, can you really argue that the vaccines should be necessary for the majority of people? 

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33 minutes ago, Twinblade said:

 
So all along the experts knew there would be variants that would decrease the effectiveness of the vaccines yet still pushed for mandates that forced its use on people and even resorted in many losing their jobs for not complying.

 

Oh god. So this isn't even a Dem/Republican thing with you anymore, You're just completely far right wing at this point. SHOCKING. Can you guys please for once follow through your line of thinking to their logical conclusions. What was the alternative? For all of the countries of the world to do nothing at all and let COVID run rampant? Not to mention, that's not how variants work. Sometimes variants can be less dangerous or infectious. There's not a lot of ways to predict how they will mutate nor do variants "decrease the effectiveness" as much as they can be immune to them. Which is why boosters and recurring up-to-date vaccines exist. 

 

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And at the same time vaccinated people are still dying in droves, in some cases in even greater numbers than unvaccinated people at the beginning of the pandemic (as shown by the Australia numbers).

 

JESUS CHRIST why are you this FUCKING RETARDED.

 

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In Victoria, the second state, the authorities said one in four people showing up for a swab test was returning a positive result. Almost everyone in that state's intensive care units was unvaccinated, the authorities said. Victoria had 14,020 new cases, nearly double the previous day's count.

 

You literally replied to my post that states a large number of people were in fact unvaccinated. So at this point can we ask if you and Cooke are incapable of reading or do you guys just retreat into right wing talking points as answers regardless of the information presented to you because you have to fuel your feelings of frustrations even if they are unwarranted? You guys have a horrible track record of this and pretty much everyone notices and calls you out on it now. 

 

You're doing an apples to oranges comparison to OG Covid 19. Variants became even more transmissible and lockdown structures were vastly different around the time of the variant spikes. By late 2021 to early 2022 most places had lesser restrictions and more laxed attitudes in regards to the pandemic than the start of it. So you're comparing a different strains, during a different levels of active prevention.

 

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When taking all that into a consideration, can you really make a good argument in favor of the vaccines? 

 

Yep, here we go. This is you reaching your final retard form. It's one thing to take issues with certain lock down practices and even feeling uneasy about people having to get vaccines to maintain their jobs. Now you're just flat out saying "Why do we need vaccines?"

 

You only feel this way because right wing ecosystem told you to think this way and your poor cuck brain just follows because you were worried the wokes were going to get some sex simulator game cancelled. It's like you sickos actually wished more people died or something. 

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Hey they knew varients would happen (like every virus under the sun) so why even push a vaccine for OG covid and delta? Let it run rampant. 

 

Similarly, car companies know people die in car crashes, so why even include air bags, seat belts and all other safety features? 

 

[Twinblade★ 3,925]

35 minutes ago, Mr. Impossible said:

 

Oh god. So this isn't even a Dem/Republican thing with you anymore, You're just completely far right wing at this point. SHOCKING. Can you guys please for once follow through your line of thinking to their logical conclusions. What was the alternative? For all of the countries of the world to do nothing at all and let COVID run rampant? Not to mention, that's not how variants work. Sometimes variants can be less dangerous or infectious. There's not a lot of ways to predict how they will mutate nor do variants "decrease the effectiveness" as much as they can be immune to them. Which is why boosters and recurring up-to-date vaccines exist. 

 

 

JESUS CHRIST why are you this FUCKING RETARDED.

 

 

You literally replied to my post that states a large number of people were in fact unvaccinated. So at this point can we ask if you and Cooke are incapable of reading or do you guys just retreat into right wing talking points as answers regardless of the information presented to you because you have to fuel your feelings of frustrations even if they are unwarranted? You guys have a horrible track record of this and pretty much everyone notices and calls you out on it now. 

 

You're doing an apples to oranges comparison to OG Covid 19. Variants became even more transmissible and lockdown structures were vastly different around the time of the variant spikes. By late 2021 to early 2022 most places had lesser restrictions and more laxed attitudes in regards to the pandemic than the start of it. So you're comparing a different strains, during a different levels of active prevention.

 

 

Yep, here we go. This is you reaching your final retard form. It's one thing to take issues with certain lock down practices and even feeling uneasy about people having to get vaccines to maintain their jobs. Now you're just flat out saying "Why do we need vaccines?"

 

You only feel this way because right wing ecosystem told you to think this way and your poor cuck brain just follows because you were worried the wokes were going to get some sex simulator game cancelled. It's like you sickos actually wished more people died or something. 

 

The vaccines are not as effective as you think they are. Even Dr Birx admitted this recently. Acting like the majority of people need to be vaccinated to protect themselves or others from COVID is ridiculous given how much data is available now

 

Whats your explanation for this?

 

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During the week of July 16–23, a total of 918 people were admitted to hospital with Covid, another 77 into ICU, and 146 people died with Covid illness (though not necessarily as the primary cause of death). Moreover, of the 146 deaths, only one was aged below 60, so that people aged 60 and above accounted for 99.3 per cent of all Covid-related deaths in the state. 

 

Additionally, of the 146 dead, the vaccination status of 4 was not known. 122 of the remaining 142 – 85.9 per cent – were at least double-vaccinated and 55 had received three doses of the vaccine

 

https://worldfreedomalliance.org/au/news/dont-blame-the-unvaccinated/

 

Maybe its an outlier, but its clear that taking a vaccine....or 2....or even 3 is often not enough to save you from COVID if you're already at risk due to age or other health complications. Forcing young and healthy people to be vaccinated or lose their jobs and be shunned from society is not the right way to go about things.

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2 minutes ago, Twinblade said:

 

The vaccines are not as effective as you think they are. Even Dr Birx admitted this recently. Acting like the majority of people need to be vaccinated to protect themselves or others from COVID is ridiculous given how much data is available now

 

Whats your explanation for this?

 

 

https://worldfreedomalliance.org/au/news/dont-blame-the-unvaccinated/

 

Maybe its an outlier, but its clear that taking a vaccine....or 2....or even 3 is often not enough to save you from COVID if you're already at risk due to age or other health complications. Forcing young and healthy people to be vaccinated or lose their jobs and be shunned from society is not the right way to go about things.

 

Again, what is your solution? To do nothing? I'm not saying the vaccine is pure nectar of God immunity but you're in my face essentially blaming the vaccine for not being able to also counter the affects aging and other health problems.

 

There is always some intellectually dishonest angle to everything you post. 

 

Not getting vaccinated is a personal choice. If it's more valuable than your job to you, then fine. So be it. It's that simple. 

 

I'm curious at this point what aren't you weridly right wing about. It's funny how people go from Democrats such for wanting to ban large sodas, or pronouns hurt my feelings to just cosinging on every single right wing talking point. 

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3 hours ago, Twinblade said:

 

Do you not know how graphs work?

 

Thats showing data since the beginning of the pandemic, when there were no vaccines.

 

The major surge starts at around January 3rd of THIS YEAR (see the 1/3 marker towards the right side) and then steadily increases until the last marker of 7/22 THIS YEAR.

 

In that period of 7 months alone, there have been TEN THOUSAND total deaths. In a population where 96% of people 16 and older have been fully vaccinated

 

https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/numbers-statistics

 

So whats your explanation for this Jerry? 

 

 

 

 

Show me where you got that chart, and I will explain to you how graphs work.

 

Those aren't "surges" the chart is CUMULATIVE numbers.......they stack as time passes.

 

How do you not understand this.

 

Show me where you got that chart.

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7 hours ago, Cooke said:

It's not a fucking study lol

 

Yeah. You were wrong, multiple fact checkers are experts in the field directly told you why you were wrong in the 3 links I gave.

 

This thread was a L.

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4 hours ago, Twinblade said:

 

 

So why are they seeing such big spikes in the death rate when most people over there have been vaccinated? Can you explain this?

 

 

 

Some of it is definitely the Lack of boosting. The shot's effectiveness doesn't last forever. 

 

The vaccine, including boosters, work very well. Still around a 90%+ reduction in death/disease if you keep up to date.

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1 hour ago, Twinblade said:

https://worldfreedomalliance.org/au/news/dont-blame-the-unvaccinated/

 

This is a blog that cites far right "mixed" fact sources.  I would prefer a peer reviewed study making your claim.

 

1 hour ago, Twinblade said:

 

The vaccines are not as effective as you think they are. Even Dr Birx admitted this recently.

 

This falsehood has already been fact checked.

 

PolitiFact | No, Dr. Deborah Birx didn't change her 'tune' on COVID vaccines

 

The vaccines, which includes boosters, are extremely effective. 

 

BNT162b2 Vaccine Booster and Mortality Due to Covid-19 | NEJM

 

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Participants who received a booster at least 5 months after a second dose of BNT162b2 had 90% lower mortality due to Covid-19 than participants who did not receive a booster.

 

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